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Hey guys,

 

My draft is on Saturday, and I'm doing all I can to get ready. I've got a pretty good draft strategy, but a big part of it is relying on Larry Johnson's production. What have you guys heard about him? I realize he didn't look great last season, but he was injured, and the season just before last he put up monster numbers. What is your guys take on him?

 

Also I'm thinking about Carson Palmer, Tony Romo, and Donovan McNabb. Which one seems in line for the best season? Im liking Palmer because he was consistent before his injury, and I can pick him up late. Will Vick cut into McNabb's numbers?

 

Thanks and have a good season :wacko:

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I personally think that LJ is going later than he should. If you look at what he did last year, he really wasn't bad - hell, he avg'd 4.5 ypc. Assuming he stays healthy, I think he easily eclipses the 1000 yard mark again. Jamal Charles is nice and all, but he's no grinder. LJ is the victim of a horrible offense, but I think he does just fine this year.

 

I'm not a Romo fan this year and you have to be very leery of him in the playoff weeks, as I think he has a history of really sucking late in the season. McNabb is the safest of those 3 picks, I think - but Palmer has the best upside. With a re-dedicated 85, Coles and Chris Henry, I really like him if he stays healthy. His O line is junk, but he'll accumulate plenty of stats along the way (even if they end up being in garbage time during losses).

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I personally think that LJ is going later than he should. If you look at what he did last year, he really wasn't bad - hell, he avg'd 4.5 ypc. Assuming he stays healthy, I think he easily eclipses the 1000 yard mark again. Jamal Charles is nice and all, but he's no grinder. LJ is the victim of a horrible offense, but I think he does just fine this year.

 

I'm not a Romo fan this year and you have to be very leery of him in the playoff weeks, as I think he has a history of really sucking late in the season. McNabb is the safest of those 3 picks, I think - but Palmer has the best upside. With a re-dedicated 85, Coles and Chris Henry, I really like him if he stays healthy. His O line is junk, but he'll accumulate plenty of stats along the way (even if they end up being in garbage time during losses).

 

Thanks! I couldn't agree with you more. Also with Cassel being a part of the Offense i think will help him. Anyone else think that same thing?

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I just see LJ has a player who only plays well when prodded. The projected record of the Chiefs leads me to believe that Johnson won't exactly play with a ball of fire. I don't have projections, but I'll pass. By game 9 I don't see him getting over 15 carries on a regular basis.

 

Palmer and the Bengals have been so bad that I can't imagine having to rely on him. If you can get McNabb as the 6th QB or below, he is the one to jump on. Romo just doesn't have the weapons, and I think the Cowboys are going to lean heavily on their ground game this season. McNabb has all the weapons and is in a pass-heavy offense. Vick won't hurt him in the least bit.

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I don't get the Palmer hate, unless people are expecting an injury. I'm not expecting a full on return to top 3 QB status, but he's got a lot of weapons that are looking very good this year. They're going to lose a lot, so they'll probably be throwing a lot as well . . .

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I don't get the Palmer hate, unless people are expecting an injury. I'm not expecting a full on return to top 3 QB status, but he's got a lot of weapons that are looking very good this year. They're going to lose a lot, so they'll probably be throwing a lot as well . . .

It comes from the fact that he has regressed. Technically he is not the QB he was years ago. He doesn't step into throws anymore. He doesn't look comfortable in the pocket. He gives up on plays and brings the ball down. He stares down receivers. The complete lack of a running game and/or offensive line has gotten to him. It is a little bit like David Carr syndrome. Throw in the fact that he still doesn't have a line, running game or TE, and you end up with a gunshy quarterback that has receivers with two guys draped all over them all game long. Unless anything major changes, Palmer is good as done. He won't be a top 10 QB this year, I would lay money that he isn't top 20.

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It comes from the fact that he has regressed. Technically he is not the QB he was years ago. He doesn't step into throws anymore. He doesn't look comfortable in the pocket. He gives up on plays and brings the ball down. He stares down receivers. The complete lack of a running game and/or offensive line has gotten to him. It is a little bit like David Carr syndrome. Throw in the fact that he still doesn't have a line, running game or TE, and you end up with a gunshy quarterback that has receivers with two guys draped all over them all game long. Unless anything major changes, Palmer is good as done. He won't be a top 10 QB this year, I would lay money that he isn't top 20.

 

Wow - well there's an opinion. I'm just not sure how you arrived at all that based on a few games he played last year with a bad arm. Before those games, he was consistently very good. I guess we'll see what happens.

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I personally like LJ and thought he still looked explosive last season. Looking at their talent I would think the chefs best chance at success would be to play keep away ginding minutes off the clock with Johnson and leaning on what looks like an improved defense...but the chef's offense is really bare. The O-line is bad, and they have no NFL quality receivers after Bowe, so he'll probably face 8 in the box all season.

 

I've heard from several chef fans that they think LJ is a bum and they wouldn't mind if he were cut, so that's not good, but on the other hand he seems to be motivated this season, as he came into camp 15 pounds lighter, and the team has praised his work ethic and dedication... and Haley has not been shy about calling out slackers and malcontents this summer.

 

That 1000 yard 7-8 TD projection is probably pretty accurate, but I think he could be really good with a better offense.

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Wow - well there's an opinion. I'm just not sure how you arrived at all that based on a few games he played last year with a bad arm. Before those games, he was consistently very good. I guess we'll see what happens.

Do you not remember what his owners and Ocho's owners were saying about him in 07?

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Do you not remember what his owners and Ocho's owners were saying about him in 07?

 

You mean the same 2007 he threw for 4100 yards and 26 TDs? I'll take that guy in a heartbeat.

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Find me one person who had Palmer as their starting QB that year and won the championship. He was so spotty the first half of the season that anybody who owned him was DONE. Only gotten worse since.

he threw for 2193 16TDs and 10 INTs in the 1st 8 games(totals for year 4130 26TDs and 20 INTS) so his 1st half was better then his 2nd half :wacko:

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Not just because I drafted him, but I really see a value in LJ compared to his ADP. Getting him around the late 5th round for a guy that should get over 1000 and 7-8 TDs aint bad. He doesnt have a huge ceiling, but he DOES have a reasonable floor if healthy.

 

He is healthy for sure. This offense has just looked so bad this preseason.

 

I drafted him as my second RB in one of my 427 drafts this year.

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Chief Dick, I was really impressed with Cassell in the Viking game, and if he has that kind of pocket presence and awareness, I think the entire offense gets better. Of course he's hurt, and I don't know how badly, but if Bradley plays as well as he did towards the end of last season, they could be ok. Especially if LJ is lighter and motivated.

 

The line will be bad, and I don't know how the firing of Gailey will shake things up. I'm also wondering what the mood of Waters is... I know he was pretty ticked last season, and they'll need him to be good.

 

Thanks for your thoughts. Hoping to catch a game down there this season.

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