CaptainHook Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 What does it say about the Colts' offense that they were so confident they would score that they were in the huddle talking about using up all the time too . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pig devilz Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 ok, here is your, OP, answer(s) in 4 separate interviews i listened to last night and today (2 by Brady and 2 by BB) they both said, in all 4 interviews, that they decided to go for it on 4th down BEFORE the 3rd down play, if they didn't make it on 3rd down. BB kept hammering home that he felt it was the best chance to win the game. Make one play, gain 2 yards and run out all or almost all of the clock. It had nothing to do with trusting his D. Watching him for all these years, i believe this. Call me naive, but i do believe he was focused on this play, at this time, to win the game. Right or wrong, nothing more nothing less. As far as the time out...they BOTH said last night and today, that it was a 'personnel' mix up that caused them to call the time out....meaning the punt team was coming on and the offense was moving off the field. Bill took responsibility for this. So, put those two things together and you come up with the question, If they decided BEFORE 3rd down that they were going for it on 4th down, why wasn't the punt team/offense on the same page? Why the confusion that caused them to burn a time out? That I didn't hear an answer for. I only assume it was poor communication between the coaches. Asked if he had a timeout would he have challenged the spot, BB said absolutely. All in all, I see the reasoning of the call. It didn't work. I would have liked to see Manning drive 60/70 yards in less than 2 min with 1 timeout, which he is more than capable of doing, and at least earn the victory. The real problem(s) for me was the 3rd down play before the now infamous 4th down play. AND the series before this one, that i felt the Patriots played it safe and settled for the FG. Thats where the trouble started...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHook Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 I have to believe if you are going for it on fourth down no matter what, you run the ball on third down. I don't believe that they already had their mind made up, I don't care what they said today. Brady and the offense was coming off the field, and somebody signaled them to stay. I saw them heading off and the punt team heading on. Revisionist history, IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyBalata Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 ok, here is your, OP, answer(s) in 4 separate interviews i listened to last night and today (2 by Brady and 2 by BB) they both said, in all 4 interviews, that they decided to go for it on 4th down BEFORE the 3rd down play, if they didn't make it on 3rd down. I call BS. I've seen the highlights a dozen times today. As Hook mentioned, Brady is clearly walking off the field reaching up and unsnapping his chin strap when he all of the sudden stops abruptly and his eyes get a little wider when he realizes they are being signaled to stay on the field, and he turns back around and heads back out. No way was this planned out before the 3rd down play. Maybe by Billechek, but it seems clear nobody else on the team was aware of it, including Brady. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pig devilz Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 Brady said what i posted above after the game last night and today...i know that doesn't make a big dif to what you are saying but it's the truth ....having decided to go for it on 4th before the 3rd down play imo, only makes them look like they botched the whole thing even worse, and lost the timeout. agree, why they didnt run the ball on 3rd down is beyond me and infuriating. the whole thing smelled of loss of poise and Manning being in his head... as much as i hate to say that....and you know it kills me to say that, but thats how i see it.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeeR Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 (edited) It had nothing to do with trusting his D. Yeah right. If they thought they could stop Manning and co, it's an easy decision. Actually it should've been an easy decision anyway. Manning wasn't infallible (for ex both of those picks were horribly thrown balls) and going for it in that situation was incredibly stoopid. GB it. Thank you BB, you da man Edited November 16, 2009 by BeeR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pig devilz Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 Yeah right. If they thought they could stop Manning and co, it's an easy decision. Actually it should've been an easy decision anyway. Manning wasn't infallible (for ex both of those picks were horribly thrown balls) and going for it in that situation was incredibly stoopid. GB it. Thank you BB, you da man look, i don't want to run this thread off topic, but. you're not getting it. BB was focused on this one play, make it and win the game. leave it at that. You can drag all kinds of what if's or should haves. leave it at, make the play/win the game. it's simple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeeR Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 No, you're not getting it. It was a blatantly stupid call. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pig devilz Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 you still don't get it. that's ok, we agree to disagree.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeeR Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 No point going back and forth. Oh well sounds like it was BB's decision all the way. And again: thanks BB for making such a laughably stupid call Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHook Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 I call BS. I've seen the highlights a dozen times today. As Hook mentioned, Brady is clearly walking off the field reaching up and unsnapping his chin strap when he all of the sudden stops abruptly and his eyes get a little wider when he realizes they are being signaled to stay on the field, and he turns back around and heads back out. No way was this planned out before the 3rd down play. Maybe by Billechek, but it seems clear nobody else on the team was aware of it, including Brady. absolutely correct. I just watched it again. Brady's lying if he said he knew they were going for it on fourth down prior to the third down play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pig devilz Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 i will go back and look at it again, but from memory, i think Brady called that timeout from the huddle, then walked over toward the sideline.... not unusual for a player/qb to un-snap their strap in that situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHook Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 i will go back and look at it again,but from memory, i think Brady called that timeout from the huddle, then walked over toward the sideline.... not unusual for a player/qb to un-snap their strap in that situation. nope. the time-out came after that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pig devilz Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 i will go back and look at it again,but from memory, i think Brady called that timeout from the huddle, then walked over toward the sideline.... not unusual for a player/qb to un-snap their strap in that situation. yeh, i just watched it again....i was thinking of another play. camera shows Brady walking off and starting to unsnap, then abruptly turn and go back to the field......once back on the field, the play clock is running down and then he calls the timeout. then a discussion takes place, BB says something to one of the coaches, i think the special teams coach, can't see which coach then they discuss, what i think is, what play they will run.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bring Back Pat!!! Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 This was BB's decision. There is a camera view of Brady's face when he's coming off the field, and his expression changes, in shock really. He then turns around and motions for the offense to stay out. Then they call the time out to talk it over. At that point, I think the decision was made and what they're discussing is what to call, not if to go for it. At that point, yeah, I'm sure BB wanted to run something Brady also thought they could convert, so he had a say in play selection. This is BB's F-up to live with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LayLow Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 I'd like to play monday morning QB all day and join the media frenzy on this one...but since BB has more rings and wins then my coach, I'm gonna stay out of it as the rest of us should. That being said...I would have punted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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