How to make the playoffs

[Henry Muto]

After spending about an hour on this tonight I find out that if I LOSE my game this week I have a better chance of making the playoffs in this online WCFF league

 

If I lose my game I have a much better chance of making the playoffs then if I win my game.

 

If I win my game not only do I need to outscore another team I need several other teams to either win or lose their game.

 

If I lose my game all I need to do is outscore 1 other team

 

Tie breakers need revised next year...you should not have to root for yourself to lose a game to make the playoffs but that is what it might come down to for me.

 

Let me explain why...it is complicated but the main part is this.

 

If I win my game it could cause only 2 teams to be 7-4 but only 1 of them will get in by record and the other will get in by pts because of the whole Rec, pts, Rec, pts situation.

This will then cause a 5 way tie at 6-5 where I am 1 of the 5 but I won't get in by record and this means 1 of them will and then another 6-5 team gets in by pts (even though I am 3rd in pts)

 

But if I lose my game none of this happens because in a 3 way tie at 7-4 the way the tie breakers work it will cause at least 1 of the top 2 pt scorers to get in via record and thus being 3rd in pts would get in vie the #4 seed.

 

So I have now figured it all out I think. (Anyone here think I got it wrong ?)

 

Standings are as follows

 

A 7-3 1425 pts

B 6-4 1440 pts

C 6-4 1225 pts

D 6-4 1230 pts

E 5-5 1338 pts

Me 5-5 1335 pts

 

Schedule

 

Team A vs C

Team B vs E

Team D vs Me

 

For me to make the playoffs (assuming teams A and B hold their pts lead over everyone else)

 

I need team A to win plus I need to finish with more pts than team E (gives me seed 4 win or lose this week)

or

I need team B to win plus I need to finish with more pts than team E (gives me seed 4 win or lose this week)

or

If both teams A and B lose then I need Team B to finish with most pts plus outscore Team E (gives me seed 4)

but

If both teams A and B lose (And Team A finishes with more pts then team THEN I MUST LOSE plus outscore Team E (gives me seed 4)

 

but if both teams A and B lose (And Team A ends up with most pts over Team then I am out IF I WIN even if I outscore team E for 3rd most pts if Team A finishes with most pts overall as it goes like this

 

A 7-4 1550 pts (Gets 2 seed most pts)

B 6-5 1540 pts (Gets 4 seed 2nd most pts)

C 7-4 1295 pts (Best Record #1 seed based on H2H tie breaker over team A)

D 6-5 1290 pts

E 6-5 1390 pts (Wins record tie breaker is #3 seed)

Me 6-5 1400 pts

 

Wow ok it has been 2 hours now...time for bed...someone please check my math here I am pretty sure this is how it needs to go for me to get in.

 

So I need to beat basically team E in a H2H this week even though we are not playing and then hope either team A or B wins or (Team B ends up with more pts then team A) or hope I lose while outscoring team E

[Slim]

will anyone read your wall of text?

 

Ronnie is gone

Move on

Ricky is here

you quear

[kpholmes]

will anyone read your wall of text?

To be honest, I didn't.

I scrolled down to see the first bash on Muto and add my +1

 

So... +1

[Ursa Majoris]

Henry, you take this chit way too seriously.

[land2tay]

Ok Henry.......just tell me what I need to do....win or lose?

 

Child's Play

 

After spending about an hour on this tonight I find out that if I LOSE my game this week I have a better chance of making the playoffs in this online WCFF league

 

If I lose my game I have a much better chance of making the playoffs then if I win my game.

 

If I win my game not only do I need to outscore another team I need several other teams to either win or lose their game.

 

If I lose my game all I need to do is outscore 1 other team

 

Tie breakers need revised next year...you should not have to root for yourself to lose a game to make the playoffs but that is what it might come down to for me.

 

Let me explain why...it is complicated but the main part is this.

 

If I win my game it could cause only 2 teams to be 7-4 but only 1 of them will get in by record and the other will get in by pts because of the whole Rec, pts, Rec, pts situation.

This will then cause a 5 way tie at 6-5 where I am 1 of the 5 but I won't get in by record and this means 1 of them will and then another 6-5 team gets in by pts (even though I am 3rd in pts)

 

But if I lose my game none of this happens because in a 3 way tie at 7-4 the way the tie breakers work it will cause at least 1 of the top 2 pt scorers to get in via record and thus being 3rd in pts would get in vie the #4 seed.

 

So I have now figured it all out I think. (Anyone here think I got it wrong ?)

 

Standings are as follows

 

A 7-3 1425 pts

B 6-4 1440 pts

C 6-4 1225 pts

D 6-4 1230 pts

E 5-5 1338 pts

Me 5-5 1335 pts

 

Schedule

 

Team A vs C

Team B vs E

Team D vs Me

 

For me to make the playoffs (assuming teams A and B hold their pts lead over everyone else)

 

I need team A to win plus I need to finish with more pts than team E (gives me seed 4 win or lose this week)

or

I need team B to win plus I need to finish with more pts than team E (gives me seed 4 win or lose this week)

or

If both teams A and B lose then I need Team B to finish with most pts plus outscore Team E (gives me seed 4)

but

If both teams A and B lose (And Team A finishes with more pts then team THEN I MUST LOSE plus outscore Team E (gives me seed 4)

 

but if both teams A and B lose (And Team A ends up with most pts over Team then I am out IF I WIN even if I outscore team E for 3rd most pts if Team A finishes with most pts overall as it goes like this

 

A 7-4 1550 pts (Gets 2 seed most pts)

B 6-5 1540 pts (Gets 4 seed 2nd most pts)

C 7-4 1295 pts (Best Record #1 seed based on H2H tie breaker over team A)

D 6-5 1290 pts

E 6-5 1390 pts (Wins record tie breaker is #3 seed)

Me 6-5 1400 pts

 

Wow ok it has been 2 hours now...time for bed...someone please check my math here I am pretty sure this is how it needs to go for me to get in.

 

So I need to beat basically team E in a H2H this week even though we are not playing and then hope either team A or B wins or (Team B ends up with more pts then team A) or hope I lose while outscoring team E

[pig devilz]

i think i need to smoke a couple doobies to catch up with you......

[Dbaxx]

To be honest, I didn't.

I scrolled down to see the first bash on Muto and add my +1

 

So... +1

That was f'n funny!!!

[MustOfBeenDrunk]

Seriously what goes on in your head ? I got dizzy just reading the post, I couldn't come close to comprehending it

[SLAYER]

i think i need to smoke a couple doobies to catch up with you......

Nope that doesn't help either.

[buddahj]

huh

[MTSuper7]

It would help if you posted your entire tiebreaker rules, Muto. But in general they sound ghey.

[MrTed46]

Hey Sailor! New in town???

[mgdog]

huh

 

U Play To Win The Game - Herm Edwards

[Brentastic]

Nope that doesn't help either.

[isleseeya]

Henry is into it

 

no shame in that ...but when it crosses over to obsession then its time to walk away

 

I think you crossed the line and this post may prove it once and for all

 

way too much time , effort , thinking , concern and energy devoted to this ...there has to be more in life, bro

Edited November 20, 2009 by isleseeya

[Big Country]

It would help if you posted your entire tiebreaker rules, Muto. But in general they sound ghey.

 

These are the WCOFF tiebreak rules, which this year they changed.

 

First, WCOFF playoff rules.

1. Best Record gets the #1 seed

2. #2 seed is the team with the most points, that is not the #1 seed

3. #3 seed is team with best record that is not one of the top 2 seeds

4. #4 seed is team with the most points that is not one of the top 3 seeds

 

Last year, tiebreak for standings was Best record, Total points, h2h record. IMO this made sense as playoffs are based on overall record and points scored.

 

This year, they adopted the NFL tiebreak rules, so now it is Best record, h2h record, then total points.

 

So, as much as it pains me to agree with him, what HM is going through just about every league in WCOFF is looking at. In his situation, there is no way for him to get in based on record, so his only chance is to get in based on points. If he ends up in the top 2 overall in points, he is guaranteed a playoff spot. That is going to be tough, so his best shot at making playoffs is for the teams that get in on record to also be the highest scoring teams, and as his analysis shows, the chances for that work more to his favor if he loses, but he still needs to get maximum points so no other team passes him in points. So, he is in the odd position of needing to play to score the most points possible, but hope it is not enough so his chances of making playoffs goes up, as that is where the money is.

[LayLow]

That sounds like a ghey league

[Big Country]

That sounds like a ghey league

 

Put up your 2K and come on out to Vegas for the Huddlers weekend and WCOFF draft and opening weekend games.

[LayLow]

Defensive I see

 

 

Still sounds ghey but for that much money I would assume you would have to make the rules really pull out the 4 best teams instead of leaving it to luck

[Big Country]

Defensive I see

 

 

Still sounds ghey but for that much money I would assume you would have to make the rules really pull out the 4 best teams instead of leaving it to luck

 

 

More about trying to get more guys out there for the weekend. It is a blast.

 

And yeah, when playing for 300K, I would prefer to see the better teams in the fighting for it.

[MTSuper7]

These are the WCOFF tiebreak rules, which this year they changed.

 

First, WCOFF playoff rules.

1. Best Record gets the #1 seed

2. #2 seed is the team with the most points, that is not the #1 seed

3. #3 seed is team with best record that is not one of the top 2 seeds

4. #4 seed is team with the most points that is not one of the top 3 seeds

 

Last year, tiebreak for standings was Best record, Total points, h2h record. IMO this made sense as playoffs are based on overall record and points scored.

 

This year, they adopted the NFL tiebreak rules, so now it is Best record, h2h record, then total points.

 

So, as much as it pains me to agree with him, what HM is going through just about every league in WCOFF is looking at. In his situation, there is no way for him to get in based on record, so his only chance is to get in based on points. If he ends up in the top 2 overall in points, he is guaranteed a playoff spot. That is going to be tough, so his best shot at making playoffs is for the teams that get in on record to also be the highest scoring teams, and as his analysis shows, the chances for that work more to his favor if he loses, but he still needs to get maximum points so no other team passes him in points. So, he is in the odd position of needing to play to score the most points possible, but hope it is not enough so his chances of making playoffs goes up, as that is where the money is.

 

Wow, that is ridiculous. H2H tiebreakers are generally crappy. I'm not sure why people find it necessary to try to make a fantasy league so much like the NFL. There are times when it makes sense to make rules that are in the best interest of fantasy football, not the NFL. This is one of those times.

[LayLow]

More about trying to get more guys out there for the weekend. It is a blast.

 

And yeah, when playing for 300K, I would prefer to see the better teams in the fighting for it.

I have to agree with ya. The rules seem ghey from a outsiders perspective...but when put in context, they were probably agreed upon and in essence, the best team make the playoffs.

[Big Country]

I have to agree with ya. The rules seem ghey from a outsiders perspective...but when put in context, they were probably agreed upon and in essence, the best team make the playoffs.

 

I don't like the change in tiebreak. H2H as a tiebreak generally has no place being a first level tiebreak in a fantasy league, at least IMO.

 

I actually really like the playoff seeding rules, as it rewards both best record, which can to a degree be more largely affected by luck, and also rewards total points over the season, reducing the impact of luck.

[Henry Muto]

Nice to see some actual posts on the subject at hand instead of a mile of threads bashing me...all in good fun I assume though right ?

 

Anyway I took a relook at this and there are 12 situations that can play out and in 2 of them it would be best if I lost my game (as a win would actually knock me out) but there are also a few situations I found where I can get in via 2nd best record so I will have to try to win.

 

Also this is in the online league so I am only playing for the $10,000 or whatever it is not the $300,000 ... could you imigine how jacked up I would be in this situation for $300,000 instead of just $10,000 ?

 

Since I did all the work I will post this for the heck of it for fun as 8 teams left will have an effect on the final playoff standings even though only the top 6 of these teams can make the playoffs teams 7 and 8 could affect who gets in based off multiple team tie breakers.

 

My team is the Hydras this is from league 345 of the online championship

 

http://game.wcoff.com/cgi-bin/display_stan...X=1258759214757

 

Week 11 match ups

 

Child vs Shady, Brews vs Hurr, RN vs Hydras, IRC vs Long

 

7-3 Child 1425 pts

6-4 Brews 1441 pts

6-4 Shady 1224 pts

6-4 RN 1230 pts

5-5 Hurr 1338 pts

5-5 Hydras 1335 pts

5-5 IRC 1217 pts

5-5 Long 1211 pts

 

This league is actually pretty simple to figure out thanks to the point scored separation between teams. So I am going to base my assumptions on this...Child/Brews will finish 1/2 in pts (Either Child or Brews will be 1 but the other will be 2nd in pts) Also I will assume Hurr and Hydras will finish 3/4 in pts (either way one is 3rd and one is 4th)

 

 

Breaking it all down goes something like this looking at the games that would effect the final standings

I can see 12 possible scenario's that can play out

 

IF

 

1)Child, Brews, RN win (Child 1, Brews 2, RN 3, 4=Hurr or Hydras most pts gets in)

2)Child, Brews, Hydras, IRC win (Child 1, Brews 2, Hydras 3 (based off a 4 way tie breaker 3-0), Hurr 4)

3)Child, Brews, Hydras, Long win (Child 1, Brews 2, Hydras 3 (based off 4 way tie breaker 2-1 then winning pts battle vs RN, Hurr 4)

4)Child, RN, Hurr win (Child 1, Brews 2, RN 3, 4=Hurr or Hydras most pts gets in)

5)Child, Hurr, Hydras, IRC win (Child 1, Brews 2, Hydras 3 (based off 5 way tie breaker 3-1, Hurr 4)

6)Child, Hurr, Hydras, Long win (Child 1, Brews 2, Hurr 3 (based off 5 way tie breaker 3-1, Hydras 4)

7)Brews, Shady, RN (Child 1, Brews 2, RN 3, 4=Hurr or Hydras most pts)

8)Brews, Shady, Hydras win (Shady 1, 2/3 Child and Brews based on pts, 4 = Hurr or Hydras most pts gets in)

9)Shady, Hurr, RN wins (Child 1, Brews 2, RN 3, 4=Hurr or Hydras most pts gets in)

10)Shady, Hurr, Hydras win AND Brews>Child in pts (Shady 1, Brews 2, Child 3, 4 = Hurr vs Hydras most pts)

11)Shady, Hurr, Hydras, IRC win AND Child>Brews in pts (Shady 1, Child 2, Hurr 3 (based off 5 way tie breaker 3-1, Brews 4)

12)Shady, Hurr, Hydras, Long win AND Child>Brews in pts (Shady 1, Child 2, Hurr 3 (based off 5 way tie breaker 4-0, Brews 4)

 

Ok there you have every possible scenario that can affect the playoffs (I think)

 

#11 and #12 is the situation I am talking about because if I win my game and the other things happen in #11 and #12 then I am out no matter what where as if I lose then it reverts back to #9 and I can get in if I outscore Hurr

 

Scenario 7 is very interesting because it puts records as follows

 

Child 7-4 (2-1)

Brews 7-4 (1-2)

Shady 7-4 (2-1)

RN 7-4 (1-2)

 

The oddity of Shady going 7-4 and 2-1 H2H vs the other 3 and still not getting in is kind of strange but that is how it works out because 2nd Tie breaker is pts if they tie on the 1st tiebreaker which they would

So Child gets the 1 seed, Brews the 2 with most pts left, 3 then goes to RN because he beat Shady H2H, 4 then left for most pts between Hydras and Hurr

 

I am going to sleep good tonight!

Edited November 20, 2009 by Henry Muto

[Henry Muto]

Ok Henry.......just tell me what I need to do....win or lose?

 

Child's Play

 

Your Child's Play in this league with me ?

 

Congrats on a great season man..hopefully we meet up in the title game...you can help make that happen with a win this week.

 

If you win and I win and Brews wins your the 1 seed and I am the 3 seed but Brews is going to be 1 tough guy to take out.

 

He has Moss, Rice and Rice!!!

 

Your locked into a playoff spot assuming a team doesn't outscore you by over 100 pts this week knocking you 3rd in pts.

 

You will be the 1 seed in most situations and I need you to win your game to give me a shot.

 

If you win your game then I control my own destiny and that is all I can ask.

 

So I will be rooting for you bro!!!!!!! take out Slim Shady!!!!!!!

Edited November 20, 2009 by Henry Muto