Rovers Posted November 21, 2009 Share Posted November 21, 2009 Why did Sporano not attempt a 46 yard FG instead of going for a 1st down on 4th and 3 as he did? That made as much sense to me as the Belichick call... none at all. Either pooch punt or try the FG. He got lucky IMO. He like Belichick, put the other team in a position to win. Is this the new "genious" call in the NFL? I've seen all the mathematicians do all they could do justify these stupid calls with probabilities, yada yada.The last play of the game was a pass into the end zone. If Sporano makes any other call, it's very unlikely that his defense would have to defend an end zone pass. Football is a game of emotion, not so much about percentages and probabilities. Now some HS coach is becoming famous because he never punts? This isn't high school, it's the NFL. Sporano dodged a bullet, and he got lucky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keggerz Posted November 21, 2009 Share Posted November 21, 2009 Why did Sporano not attempt a 46 yard FG instead of going for a 1st down on 4th and 3 as he did? That made as much sense to me as the Belichick call... none at all. Either pooch punt or try the FG. He got lucky IMO. He like Belichick, put the other team in a position to win. Is this the new "genious" call in the NFL? I've seen all the mathematicians do all they could do justify these stupid calls with probabilities, yada yada.The last play of the game was a pass into the end zone. If Sporano makes any other call, it's very unlikely that his defense would have to defend an end zone pass. Football is a game of emotion, not so much about percentages and probabilities. Now some HS coach is becoming famous because he never punts? This isn't high school, it's the NFL. Sporano dodged a bullet, and he got lucky. imo, big difference between the two ....no way in hell you kick the FG there (you did see guys slipping all night, right?)...they were on the Panthers 28 yard line...i can see a punt even being dangerous in that situation I mean how many times do you think a punter practices trying to pooch kick a punt 10-15 yards? The only thing I might have done differently was maybe to put Pat White under center and let him drop back and scramble around a bit before throwing the ball away (would have wasted more time) but even that would be way risky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHook Posted November 21, 2009 Share Posted November 21, 2009 lol, huge difference . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rovers Posted November 21, 2009 Author Share Posted November 21, 2009 The pooch punt would have been probably my last choice, but the FG? Carpenter has the highest FG% in the NFL. He is 16 for 17. He is 7 for 8 over forty yards, and has kicked a 52 yarder. You are right, it was at the 28, which would have made it a 45 yard attempt. Game on the line, you have the most accurate FG kicker in the NFL this year. A FG ends the game, period. You think going for it on 4th and 3 is a better option, a better chance to win? The last ime Carpenter missed a FG was week 2, a 49 yard attempt. Since then he has hit EVERYthing. I still say it was a stupid decision. Even if he misses, the ball is still at the 28. He makes it and the game os OVER, and for the mathemiticians, what are the odds against a missed FG vs making a 4th and 3? Put CAR down 10 points there and go home a winner. 4th and 3? vs. a FG of 45? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keggerz Posted November 21, 2009 Share Posted November 21, 2009 The pooch punt would have been probably my last choice, but the FG? Carpenter has the highest FG% in the NFL. He is 16 for 17. He is 7 for 8 over forty yards, and has kicked a 52 yarder. You are right, it was at the 28, which would have made it a 45 yard attempt. Game on the line, you have the most accurate FG kicker in the NFL this year. A FG ends the game, period. You think going for it on 4th and 3 is a better option, a better chance to win? The last ime Carpenter missed a FG was week 2, a 49 yard attempt. Since then he has hit EVERYthing. I still say it was a stupid decision. Even if he misses, the ball is still at the 28. He makes it and the game os OVER, and for the mathemiticians, what are the odds against a missed FG vs making a 4th and 3? Put CAR down 10 points there and go home a winner. 4th and 3? vs. a FG of 45? field was pretty slick last nite..and probably was a major factor in the decision ....i saw guys fall multiple times...missing a FG there would have been a very bad deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfer Posted November 21, 2009 Share Posted November 21, 2009 No surprise he ran it here. That's who they are. The difference b/t this and Belichek is, BB had no confidence in his defense holding, and Sporano had ALL the confidence in the world that his defense would hold. And again it's Manning Vs. Delhomme. If it's Manning on the other side you kick the FG. If it's Delhomme, play the percentages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHook Posted November 21, 2009 Share Posted November 21, 2009 The difference is the opposing QB you are punting to. Peyton Manning or Jake Delhomme. Which one do you think can lead a team back for a win, and which one can't? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Dick Posted November 21, 2009 Share Posted November 21, 2009 There is no uproar because nobody hates Sporano yet. He's too cuddly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smackdown Posted November 21, 2009 Share Posted November 21, 2009 He said in his post game interview that his kicking team was decimated by injuries and he didn't want to risk a kick with a bunch of new guys who haven't played those positions before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montster Posted November 21, 2009 Share Posted November 21, 2009 Even if he misses, the ball is still at the 28. actually, on a missed field goal, the ball would be placed at the spot of the kick, probably about the 35. still, you have to be fishing. * the pats were up by 6. the dolphins were up by 7. huge difference. * the colts had to go 29 yards in 2 minutes. the panthers had to go 72 yards in 39 seconds. * the colts have peyton manning. the panthers have ... hold on, let me look it up ... oh yeah, jake delhomme. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zooty Posted November 21, 2009 Share Posted November 21, 2009 The difference is the opposing QB you are punting to. Peyton Manning or Jake Delhomme. Which one do you think can lead a team back for a win, and which one can't? and they have a pretty good run game regardless, I'm not overly impressed with Sporano Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samson Posted November 21, 2009 Share Posted November 21, 2009 Weak connection between the two calls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caddyman Posted November 21, 2009 Share Posted November 21, 2009 Weak connection between the two calls. Give the guy a break...he is a little slow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smackdown Posted November 21, 2009 Share Posted November 21, 2009 and they have a pretty good run game regardless, I'm not overly impressed with Sporano First and foremost it's Tony Sparano. Can we at least get the man's name right? Dave Wannstadt & Nick Saban coached this team before him. Since taking over a 1-15 team Tony Sparano has gone 16-10. He's overseen a total rebuild. Done a great job at building & getting younger on both the offensive & defensive lines. I personally have not seen a Dolphin team as physical as this since the early 1970's. Week in and week out everyone in the building knows they're going to run the ball and yet they do it any way - successfully. He took over a disaster of a team - and while going through a complete rebuild he has kept the team competitive - AFC East champs last year and in the hunt this year. I have yet to find one Dolphin fan not happy with what Tony Sparano has done for this team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duchess Jack Posted November 21, 2009 Share Posted November 21, 2009 Tony Sparano explained what seemed like a strange decision late in the game. He went for a fourth-and-2 from the Carolina 28 with 39 seconds left rather than kick a game-cementing field goal. The run failed, Carolina got the ball back and drove quickly to have a throw into the end zone on the final play that was batted down. "Honestly, the thought process was ...i t was zero time outs (for Carolina),'' he said. "I looked at the clock to see what time it was. I had to take the injuries into play. Our field goal team was absoltely patched up at that point. We had guys playing positions that they didin't practice." He worried about a blocked kick with all the changed personnel. "It wasn't ean easy kick,'' he said. "It was a (46-yard) field goal at the time. So a missed kick or blocked kick, one of those type of things. Danny could have made the kick there, but I just felt like where they were on the field at that time with zero timeouts the plays that they would have gotten off would have been limited. "Had we made the first down, the game's over. If we don't, they don't have any timeouts right ow and they've got to go the length of the field to score a touchdown. I just felt like I put it on our defense." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duchess Jack Posted November 21, 2009 Share Posted November 21, 2009 actually, on a missed field goal, the ball would be placed at the spot of the kick, probably about the 35. still, you have to be fishing. * the pats were up by 6. the dolphins were up by 7. huge difference. * the colts had to go 29 yards in 2 minutes. the panthers had to go 72 yards in 39 seconds. * the colts have peyton manning. the panthers have ... hold on, let me look it up ... oh yeah, jake delhomme. Game - Set - Match Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dominatorr Posted November 21, 2009 Share Posted November 21, 2009 "Football is a game of emotion, not so much about percentages and probabilities" no offense but this is one the stupidest things I have ever heard.... .......proof is in the pudding!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.......there is a reason why belichick has won so many games as a coach....he has had good players and he goes with the play that give the team the best chance to win, AND he is smart enough to know what that is.....period.....if his players are pumped and momentum is going a particular way, then that goes into the calculation but it's certainly not the main thing.......some coach you would make Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duchess Jack Posted November 21, 2009 Share Posted November 21, 2009 "Football is a game of emotion, not so much about percentages and probabilities" no offense but this is one the stupidest things I have ever heard he's an angry Jets fan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pig devilz Posted November 21, 2009 Share Posted November 21, 2009 Football is a game of emotion, spoken like a jets fan.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rovers Posted November 22, 2009 Author Share Posted November 22, 2009 I can't count how many times I've heard players and ex-players say football is an emotional game, including Bruschi recently when he was commenting on the BB call. Is Ray Lewis Ray Lewis without the emotion? I guess there are a lot of "stupid" NFLers out there then. Sparano's post game comments make plenty of sense though, and based on that, I'd have to say now that it was the right call. I was not trying to imply that this was a direct comparison the the Indy Pats game, other than it was game on the line with a lead and 4th down. I saw no one in the media or on message boards even question this call and I think it was mostly because Miami won. Had Car won or came back to tie the game, I think it this would have been discussed quite a bit. I know that two centers got hurt during the game, were one of them the LS? That would clearly have made Sparano's choice the right one. Given his explanation, it was the right call anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WaterMan Posted November 22, 2009 Share Posted November 22, 2009 lol, huge difference . . . i agree. one game had two great teams. and the other had two crap teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dominatorr Posted November 22, 2009 Share Posted November 22, 2009 I can't count how many times I've heard players and ex-players say football is an emotional game, including Bruschi recently when he was commenting on the BB call. Is Ray Lewis Ray Lewis without the emotion? I guess there are a lot of "stupid" NFLers out there then. Sparano's post game comments make plenty of sense though, and based on that, I'd have to say now that it was the right call. I was not trying to imply that this was a direct comparison the the Indy Pats game, other than it was game on the line with a lead and 4th down. I saw no one in the media or on message boards even question this call and I think it was mostly because Miami won. Had Car won or came back to tie the game, I think it this would have been discussed quite a bit. I know that two centers got hurt during the game, were one of them the LS? That would clearly have made Sparano's choice the right one. Given his explanation, it was the right call anyway. football IS an emotional game but mostly for the players............. for the coaches (and that's who we are talklng about here) it's a different story........coaches need to think with their heads and not make a decision based on their emotions.......... I like bruschi as a player and i think he's a nice guy but what he said about belichick's decision and how his feelings would have been hurt had he been playin shows he thinks with his heart instead of his brain........if he ever becomes a steeler's coach i will shoot myself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pig devilz Posted November 22, 2009 Share Posted November 22, 2009 football IS an emotional game but mostly for the players............. for the coaches (and that's who we are talklng about here) it's a different story........coaches need to think with their heads and not make a decision based on their emotions.......... I like bruschi as a player and i think he's a nice guy but what he said about belichick's decision and how his feelings would have been hurt had he been playin shows he thinks with his heart instead of his brain........if he ever becomes a steeler's coach i will shoot myself He NEVER said that. I can go get you the quotes (which you should have done before spewing this bs). His point was that he would have wanted the chance to make the defensive play, take on the challenge. Not, as you say, his feelings were hurt. It's all about desire to win. If you question TB's desire to win or get it confused with hurt feelings, then maybe we'd all be better off if Teddy did become a steelers coach...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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