JustDoIt Posted December 8, 2009 Author Share Posted December 8, 2009 I do find it interesting that both you and Grits find nothing wrong with it, but both of you say you personally would never do it. Doesn't that mean you have a problem with it? Doesn't that mean your gut tells you it's wrong? If you don't think it's wrong, why would you not do it? I am saying it is by the rules. I am saying that had someone done that and it turned me out of the playoff spot I would be pissed, but I would know that he is playing by the rules and he is playing to win. I would have looked amount of times i started the wrong players and known that it wasn't his fault that I am not in the playoffs for he is simply playing to win it. It was my fault and i have all year to mourn before i get to hopefully take some revenge out on him... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STL Fan Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 I am saying it is by the rules. I am saying that had someone done that and it turned me out of the playoff spot I would be pissed, but I would know that he is playing by the rules and he is playing to win. I would have looked amount of times i started the wrong players and known that it wasn't his fault that I am not in the playoffs for he is simply playing to win it. It was my fault and i have all year to mourn before i get to hopefully take some revenge out on him... Forget the rules for a second. What does your gut tell you is the RIGHT thing to do? Isn't it your gut that made you post this to begin with? That's what this entire argument is about. Other than in my league, no one has argued that this move is against the rules, just unethical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustDoIt Posted December 8, 2009 Author Share Posted December 8, 2009 Forget the rules for a second. What does your gut tell you is the RIGHT thing to do? Isn't it your gut that made you post this to begin with? That's what this entire argument is about. Other than in my league, no one has argued that this move is against the rules, just unethical. No, I actually believe there is nothing wrong with what I could have done at all. There is no better chance for either of us winning the championship, and it does not kick any one out of the playoffs. I actually thought that people would not think anything of it. But I decided to post just in case. And the RIGHT thing to do is try to win. That is why you play. Like I said, I would completely understand it if someone did to me. I would be pissed, but life goes on and it was a move that was legal. Still though, I wouldn't do it just because I have no reason to put that kinda target on my back and I would feel bad screwing someone over like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunday Couch Potatoe Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 I am in a 14 man league where the top six make the playoffs. Going into this week I knew i could either make the 5, 6, or 7 spot. Now that most of the games are over I know I can either get the 5th seed with a win or the sixth seed with a loss. My dad has the 1 seed and I would much prefer to not play him except in the championship game. I am down by 16 and have Crosby and Rice to go. Would it be wrong of me to sit those two players to automatically lose so that I get the sixth seed? Just read ur original post u are asking if we think it's wrong so obv. somewhere in ur brain u thought that it might be wrong too!! So now that u got called out don't act like u weren't thinkin the same thing that IT JUST MIGHT BE WRONG TO DO!! Or are u just like ur name on here and u JUST DO IT!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustDoIt Posted December 8, 2009 Author Share Posted December 8, 2009 Just read ur original post u are asking if we think it's wrong so obv. somewhere in ur brain u thought that it might be wrong too!! So now that u got called out don't act like u weren't thinkin the same thing that IT JUST MIGHT BE WRONG TO DO!! Or are u just like ur name on here and u JUST DO IT!! Wow.? I said I thought people wouldn't think it is wrong... But I thought I would ask just in case... I don't see any meaning to what you just said... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STL Fan Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 No, I actually believe there is nothing wrong with what I could have done at all. There is no better chance for either of us winning the championship, and it does not kick any one out of the playoffs. I actually thought that people would not think anything of it. But I decided to post just in case. And the RIGHT thing to do is try to win. That is why you play. Like I said, I would completely understand it if someone did to me. I would be pissed, but life goes on and it was a move that was legal. Still though, I wouldn't do it just because I have no reason to put that kinda target on my back and I would feel bad screwing someone over like that. You say you don't think it's wrong at all, and then later you describe doing it as "screwing someone over." Dude, that's messed up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustDoIt Posted December 8, 2009 Author Share Posted December 8, 2009 You say you don't think it's wrong at all, and then later you describe doing it as "screwing someone over." Dude, that's messed up. bingo By wrong I mean wrong by the rules. It is screwing someone over, but it is not by the rules wrong. Life sucks don't it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustDoIt Posted December 8, 2009 Author Share Posted December 8, 2009 You say you don't think it's wrong at all, and then later you describe doing it as "screwing someone over." Dude, that's messed up. And also I said there is nothing wrong with what I could have done... I don't. I don't think it is screwing someone over either. What i think is screwing someone over is making someone not make the playoffs... That is what I mean by with the rules, and screwing someone over. What i could have done was switching the 5th and 6th seed. Which I do not see as screwing anyone over and not cheap or anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STL Fan Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 bingo By wrong I mean wrong by the rules. It is screwing someone over, but it is not by the rules wrong. Life sucks don't it. Once again, you're defining right and wrong by whats legal. Your gut tells you it's wrong or you wouldn't have described it as "screwing someone over." Your brain is trying to convince your gut that ANYTHING is OK as long as it's within the rules and that's just not true. NO ONE is saying it is against the rules, they're saying it is wrong and unethical. Can't you understand the difference? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunday Couch Potatoe Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 Wow.? I said I thought people wouldn't think it is wrong... But I thought I would ask just in case... I don't see any meaning to what you just said... I don't see any meaning to ur original post! If u ask a question what do u expect from people the answer u want from them or their honest opinion? Cause it sounds like u already had it all figured out by the way ur arguing ur point now! When u first asked WOULD IT BE WRONG OF ME TO INTENTIONALLY LOSE? Well obv. u thought it may be wrong and now ur saying there's nothing wrong with it! Ur waffling on ur opinion like Brett Favre does with retirement!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunday Couch Potatoe Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 And also I said there is nothing wrong with what I could have done... I don't. I don't think it is screwing someone over either. What i think is screwing someone over is making someone not make the playoffs... That is what I mean by with the rules, and screwing someone over. What i could have done was switching the 5th and 6th seed. Which I do not see as screwing anyone over and not cheap or anything. How are u not screwing someone over u said urself u dont want to play ur dads team cause its so great! Well whomever u would have let have the 5 seed instead of the 6 seed are u not screwing him over by throwin him to the wolves and sending him ur dads way! Maybe he doesnt want to face ur dad either well i'm pretty sure thats the definition of screwin someone over!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mucca Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 He's not waffling, he's cheating, he's colluding with a family member so that one of them have a better chance of winning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustDoIt Posted December 8, 2009 Author Share Posted December 8, 2009 Once again, you're defining right and wrong by whats legal. Your gut tells you it's wrong or you wouldn't have described it as "screwing someone over." Your brain is trying to convince your gut that ANYTHING is OK as long as it's within the rules and that's just not true. NO ONE is saying it is against the rules, they're saying it is wrong and unethical. Can't you understand the difference? hmm.. you are getting to things that I am saying mixed up. I will say it again though... I don't see anything wrong with switching the 5 and 6 seeds. I don't see it as ethically wrong because me or my dad have no better of a chance of winning it. I don't see it as screwing someone over. I really believed that people wouldn't find anything wrong with it. People had a problem with it so I left them in my line-up cause it isn't worth causing a fuss in my league. But I do believe that pulling my line-up if it affected people making, or not making the playoffs altogether would be altogether unethical, but legal. And that is the thing I would not do. But, if someone did it to me, I believe that is their right, even if it is them being a J@ck@ss. See what I mean? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustDoIt Posted December 8, 2009 Author Share Posted December 8, 2009 He's not waffling, he's cheating, he's colluding with a family member so that one of them have a better chance of winning. again? haha. you are funny. Neither of us have a better chance of winning it. So it couldn't be collusion... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustDoIt Posted December 8, 2009 Author Share Posted December 8, 2009 I don't see any meaning to ur original post! If u ask a question what do u expect from people the answer u want from them or their honest opinion? Cause it sounds like u already had it all figured out by the way ur arguing ur point now! When u first asked WOULD IT BE WRONG OF ME TO INTENTIONALLY LOSE? Well obv. u thought it may be wrong and now ur saying there's nothing wrong with it! Ur waffling on ur opinion like Brett Favre does with retirement!! Since when is asking others opinion waffling? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mucca Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 again? haha. you are funny. Neither of us have a better chance of winning it. So it couldn't be collusion... Umm yes you do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustDoIt Posted December 8, 2009 Author Share Posted December 8, 2009 How are u not screwing someone over u said urself u dont want to play ur dads team cause its so great! Well whomever u would have let have the 5 seed instead of the 6 seed are u not screwing him over by throwin him to the wolves and sending him ur dads way! Maybe he doesnt want to face ur dad either well i'm pretty sure thats the definition of screwin someone over!! But shouldn't I have the ability to do that since I am in a position where I don't have to win to make the playoffs? See to me, that would be strategy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STL Fan Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 hmm.. you are getting to things that I am saying mixed up. I will say it again though... I don't see anything wrong with switching the 5 and 6 seeds. I don't see it as ethically wrong because me or my dad have no better of a chance of winning it. I don't see it as screwing someone over. I really believed that people wouldn't find anything wrong with it. People had a problem with it so I left them in my line-up cause it isn't worth causing a fuss in my league. But I do believe that pulling my line-up if it affected people making, or not making the playoffs altogether would be altogether unethical, but legal. And that is the thing I would not do. But, if someone did it to me, I believe that is their right, even if it is them being a J@ck@ss. See what I mean? I understand what you're saying, and Ill go back to my point about really splitting hairs there. I see both cases as equally unethical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunday Couch Potatoe Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 Anyone else think this guy has many similarities of the kid who got the boot from here forget his name the Favre Nut hugger who had a south park pic for his image? Reincarnation or coincidence? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big John Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 Anyone else think this guy has many similarities of the kid who got the boot from here forget his name the Favre Nut hugger who had a south park pic for his image? Reincarnation or coincidence? mr hammock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustDoIt Posted December 8, 2009 Author Share Posted December 8, 2009 Umm yes you do. Here we go again. If I dropped todays game... I would have a 50 percent chance of making it to semis, and a 25 percent chance of making it to the bowl game. so a 12.5 percent chance of winning it all. My dad meanwhile, would have a 5o percent chance of making it to the bowl, and a 25% chance of winning it. Making 37.5% chance... If I win today... I would have a 50% chance of making it to play my dad in the semis... which would than mean that between me and him we have a 75% chance of making the bowl game. Whoever won would have a 50% chance of winning it... Making a 37.5% chance of winning it all... bingo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunday Couch Potatoe Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 mr hammock TY Big John BINGO!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STL Fan Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 Here we go again. If I dropped todays game... I would have a 50 percent chance of making it to semis, and a 25 percent chance of making it to the bowl game. so a 12.5 percent chance of winning it all. My dad meanwhile, would have a 5o percent chance of making it to the bowl, and a 25% chance of winning it. Making 37.5% chance... If I win today... I would have a 50% chance of making it to play my dad in the semis... which would than mean that between me and him we have a 75% chance of making the bowl game. Whoever won would have a 50% chance of winning it... Making a 37.5% chance of winning it all... bingo All of which still means nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustDoIt Posted December 8, 2009 Author Share Posted December 8, 2009 I understand what you're saying, and Ill go back to my point about really splitting hairs there. I see both cases as equally unethical. well I guess that is where we ultimately disagree. yes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mucca Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 My guess would be reincarnation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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