Big Country Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 Proper scoring should be a function of each leagues scoring rules. Most of the online hosting sites have established rules on how they score these types of plays after the McCardell play back in 2003 I believe. General consensus is that for the purposes of fantasy football, the team that is on the field at the start of the play is the team on the field at the end of the play, so there is no switching between offense and defense, even though by strict interpretation of the NFL rules/definitions, this does happen. Reiterating as it seems to be getting rehashed a lot here. Facts are simply this: According to NFL rules, the team with possession of the ball is offense. Thus, based on this, by strict interpretation a "defense" could never score a TD, as once a player that was playing defense secures possession of the ball, they are now an offensive player. In our fantasy world, this does not work so well in non-IDP leagues, which the majority of leagues are. For fantasy football purposes, the offense and defense remain unchanged throughout a play, regardless of change of possession. Thus, with what is commonly known as the "McCardell rule" due to the play in 2003, the first time this happened in the modern "online league management" era of fantasy football, the play would generally be scored as an interception against Brees, an interception for the WAS defense, and an offensive fumble recovery for a TD for Meachem. IMO, the Saints D should not get points for the Meachem recovery, however I understand that most stat sources (if not all) do not differentiate when reporting turnovers, thus I would presume most online automated systems may be awarding the meachem fumble recovery to the Saints D, which IMO is a flaw and should be manually adjusted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muck Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 How do they handle the 44yds for fantasy purposes? Is that added to the rushing statistics or completely disregarded? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cunning Runt Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 How do they handle the 44yds for fantasy purposes? Is that added to the rushing statistics or completely disregarded? Maybe our league is the minority, but we added the 44yds rushing for Meachem. Same concept IMO to the play a few years back when Moss was on the Vikings, caught a long pass and as he was getting tackled flipped it over his shoulder as a lateral to Mo Williams who ran it in for a TD. On that play Moss' points were scored as per the norm, but Williams got the TD and rushing yds from the spot he received the ball. While certainly not exactly the same, our league views that sort of occurrence in the same light and did award the rushing yds to Meachem as well as the TD. The concept being that it was all one long, however disjointed, offensive play. Some may disagree, but that's how we handled it. Fortunately it made no difference in our league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Country Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 How do they handle the 44yds for fantasy purposes? Is that added to the rushing statistics or completely disregarded? NFL statistics do not add it to rushing yardage, it is considered fumble recovery yards and recorded there. As I said in my earlier post, one of those situations where the strict interpretation of the NFL definitions do not apply to the fantasy world Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyBalata Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 Same concept IMO to the play a few years back when Moss was on the Vikings, caught a long pass and as he was getting tackled flipped it over his shoulder as a lateral to Mo Williams who ran it in for a TD. On that play Moss' points were scored as per the norm, but Williams got the TD and rushing yds from the spot he received the ball. Actually that is technically incorrect. Williams got credit for receiving yards, not rushing yards. The play started as a passing play, despite the lateral, it was still a passing play all the way until the end. The QB got all the yards Moss got and Williams got, credited to his passing yards, and each segment of the yards gained by Moss and Williams, were all receiving yards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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