Furd Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 (edited) Effective May 1, 2010 (providing the governor signs the bill and she said that she would). Exemptions likely to include cigar bars, tobacco stores and casinos. Its about damn time. Edited December 11, 2009 by Furd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpwallace49 Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 The biggest whiners in Illinois about this law were the casinos that saw a drop in profits since the ban came into effect. Looks like Michigan is learning from that example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmarc117 Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 you guys will love this. no more smoke! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuke'em ttg Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 Great Ban.....still support pasties on puddy though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darin3 Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 Wow.. that legislation went into place in California in 1998I believe. The city of San Luis Obispo, CA was the first with the legislation, in 1990. There are still jurisdictions in Texas that don't have it in place. Austin, of course, has it. Some places in California would dodge the law; one such place was a bar I worked at. I hated coming home reeking of smoke. Had to shower before going to bed. Michiganites will love not having to smell like ass every night. Oh, wait. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildcat2334 Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 cmon, this has to be a joke? Mich is just now passing a smoking ban?? talk about leading the charge it has hard to even remember when morans could smoke bars and restaurants out west Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeeR Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 OTOH, the East has a lot less fruits n nuts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chavez Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 I really think this is a case of government overstepping its bounds; if people don't like going to smoky bars, why aren't there non-smoky bars flourishing? Telling a privately-owned, adult establishment that it cannot allow a LEGAL activity inside its doors is just crap. All that said, I love going to cities that ban smoking in bars. It is so awesome not to stink when you leave a tavern. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T_bone65 Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 Maryland passed this law about 2 years ago Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted December 12, 2009 Share Posted December 12, 2009 I really think this is a case of government overstepping its bounds; if people don't like going to smoky bars, why aren't there non-smoky bars flourishing? Telling a privately-owned, adult establishment that it cannot allow a LEGAL activity inside its doors is just crap. All that said, I love going to cities that ban smoking in bars. It is so awesome not to stink when you leave a tavern. Bars went bust here in the dozens last year as the patrons stopped going and all the nannies (who would, they said, be heading out to the bars just as soon as they stopped all that nasty smoking) stayed at home watching American Idol where they have always been. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pope Flick Posted December 12, 2009 Share Posted December 12, 2009 I really think this is a case of government overstepping its bounds; if people don't like going to smoky bars, why aren't there non-smoky bars flourishing? Telling a privately-owned, adult establishment that it cannot allow a LEGAL activity inside its doors is just crap. All that said, I love going to cities that ban smoking in bars. It is so awesome not to stink when you leave a tavern. Frankly, the work place hazard angle makes quite a bit of sense. Not sure what they used in Michigan. I loves me some Air Nazis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackass Posted December 12, 2009 Share Posted December 12, 2009 I really think this is a case of government overstepping its bounds; if people don't like going to smoky bars, why aren't there non-smoky bars flourishing? Telling a privately-owned, adult establishment that it cannot allow a LEGAL activity inside its doors is just crap. All that said, I love going to cities that ban smoking in bars. It is so awesome not to stink when you leave a tavern. It's a legal activity but it negatively impacts everyone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmarc117 Posted December 12, 2009 Share Posted December 12, 2009 its funny, anytime i walk into a bar that has smokers, im like Hey Sailor! New in town???!!!!!!!! happened at the detroit airport. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Cid Posted December 12, 2009 Share Posted December 12, 2009 I still despize the nanny state telling responsible business owners how to run their business. Of course, these are the same people telling you what color you can paint you house and what bushes you can plant in your yard. I guess sane people being allowed to make thieir own choices in life is no longer to be tolerated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darin3 Posted December 12, 2009 Share Posted December 12, 2009 I still despize the nanny state telling responsible business owners how to run their business. Of course, these are the same people telling you what color you can paint you house and what bushes you can plant in your yard. I guess sane people being allowed to make thieir own choices in life is no longer to be tolerated. Apple ---------------------- Orange. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Cid Posted December 12, 2009 Share Posted December 12, 2009 Apple ---------------------- Orange. Nope, all one in the same. It's also the same crowd that insists on the FCC censoring what gets put out over the airwaves. Bottom line is that they want government to make decisions for everyone, not take responsibility for their own decisions. They want to force their view on the world on everyone else and at the same time not have to be worried about making a decision, it's all taken care of in one neat tidy package. You may not want to be associated with that crowd because you feel that isn't your personality, but the fact remains, you ARE forcing someone to live by a set of rules they don't agree with for your own personal reasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detlef Posted December 12, 2009 Share Posted December 12, 2009 I am a non-smoking restaurant owner who would never allow smoking in my places even without legal pressure. Apparently NC is going this way in 2010, but the only way that it effects me is that I have to put an official sticker in my window or get fined. That said, I don't agree with the law and think that it should be the choice of the shop owner. In fact, I think that it has just done away with a competitive advantage I've been enjoying over other places all along. I've found that non-smokers are more hell bent on going to place where they don't have to breathe other peoples filth than smokers are in going to a place where they don't have to step outside to celebrate their pathetic lack of self control. So, I do think the market was well on it's way to fixing the problem. I repeat, even here in Durham, NC, in the heart of tobacco country, have I ever had anyone say boo when I explained my restaurant is a non-smoking establishment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpwallace49 Posted December 12, 2009 Share Posted December 12, 2009 its funny, anytime i walk into a bar that has smokers, im like Hey Sailor! New in town???!!!!!!!! happened at the detroit airport. Agreed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darin3 Posted December 12, 2009 Share Posted December 12, 2009 Nope, all one in the same. It's also the same crowd that insists on the FCC censoring what gets put out over the airwaves. Bottom line is that they want government to make decisions for everyone, not take responsibility for their own decisions. They want to force their view on the world on everyone else and at the same time not have to be worried about making a decision, it's all taken care of in one neat tidy package. You may not want to be associated with that crowd because you feel that isn't your personality, but the fact remains, you ARE forcing someone to live by a set of rules they don't agree with for your own personal reasons. Sorry KC, but I fail to see the similarity between an HOA, for example, regulating the design elements of a house... and a bar being non-smoking. There are health concerns with the latter. Now, if you want to boil the two examples down to their bare bones, sure; both represent a sort of nanny-state BS. I'll agree there. But the two are not one in the same, no way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatman Posted December 12, 2009 Share Posted December 12, 2009 About time...it's been amazing to me that a city that prides itself on being progressive, Ann Arbor, still allows smoking in bars... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaxfactor Posted December 12, 2009 Share Posted December 12, 2009 Nope, all one in the same. It's also the same crowd that insists on the FCC censoring what gets put out over the airwaves. Bottom line is that they want government to make decisions for everyone, not take responsibility for their own decisions. They want to force their view on the world on everyone else and at the same time not have to be worried about making a decision, it's all taken care of in one neat tidy package. You may not want to be associated with that crowd because you feel that isn't your personality, but the fact remains, you ARE forcing someone to live by a set of rules they don't agree with for your own personal reasons. Welcome to the new USSA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMD Posted December 12, 2009 Share Posted December 12, 2009 I went through this in California about ten years ago and then again here around Dallas for the last few years. I have heard all the arguments for and against over and over. Is there anywhere that has reliable data about losses caused to restuarants or bars or how many of them closed? Data not "collected" by a party with a dog in the fight? I have not personally seen that it has any effect on the business in CA or TX so I would be interested to see if it has been reliastically documented that such laws injure businesses. I understand the arguments pro and against,. I just wonder if there is anything more concrete than emotional pleas and defensive rants. It is a the way it will be everywhere eventially. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Dick Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 I say let them sombitches smoke wherever they want. That cigarette tax comes in handy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooby's Hubby Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 My favorite was getting on a plane and opening the ashtray on the armrest and seeing the butts all stinkin and put out, some with lipstick...you know you are on an old plane if it still has that ashtray Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HowboutthemCowboys Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 I really think this is a case of government overstepping its bounds; if people don't like going to smoky bars, why aren't there non-smoky bars flourishing? Telling a privately-owned, adult establishment that it cannot allow a LEGAL activity inside its doors is just crap. Amen. It's a legal activity but it negatively impacts everyone else. Only impacts you by YOUR choice. Go somewhere else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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