keggerz Posted December 14, 2009 Share Posted December 14, 2009 smoking can be harmful to both the person doing it and others around him/her. same goes for drunk driving. pretty simple to me. that was what I was inferring so not sure why you questioned me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keggerz Posted December 14, 2009 Share Posted December 14, 2009 Your post that I enquired about said "really? u really dont see the difference?". Now you say they're the same? glad I wasnt the only one scratching my head on that one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmarc117 Posted December 14, 2009 Share Posted December 14, 2009 (edited) that was what I was inferring so not sure why you questioned me   glad I wasnt the only one scratching my head on that one   misunderstood ur post Edited December 14, 2009 by dmarc117 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puddy Posted December 14, 2009 Share Posted December 14, 2009 OTOH, if you light up in a bar where the others are either smoking or want to be there knowing there is smoking going on, which is all those of us on this side are advocating, then no-one at all is affected. I'm just trying to point out the difference between the affect smoking in public places has versus drinking in public places. I'm not necessarily advocating the government dictating that smoking not being allowed. Â I can just as easily get drunk at my house and kill a family of five while running to Taco Bell at 3:00 in the morning. I can't cause second hand smoke cancer to the public by doing the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detlef Posted December 14, 2009 Share Posted December 14, 2009 (edited) Exactly! At least you(a non-smoker) can see the other way. Better than some holier than thou idiot in this thread who calls smokers pathetic. ETA: If I was starving to death, I'd rather eat pine cones than go to his restaraunt. 1) I believe Darin and I are of exactly the same opinion here. 2) I didn't say smokers are pathetic. I said that habit exhibits a pathetic lack of self control. We've all got our flaws. Among yours is the fact that you smoke. It is a flaw, plain and simple. Otherwise everyone wouldn't be trying to quit. And I'm not holier than you, I just smell better because I don't smoke.  More importantly, I specifically chose the words I did to illustrate that I don't favor smoking bans in spite of the fact that I despise the habit. Edited December 14, 2009 by detlef Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chester Posted December 14, 2009 Share Posted December 14, 2009 Drinking doesn't harm other people. Drinking and driving may. Just because you are drinking at a bar doesn't imply that you are driving. Â Smoking does harm other people. (And I'm against the ban). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chester Posted December 14, 2009 Share Posted December 14, 2009 And there are the Bars that ignore the law and have a can for donations to pay fines! The air was hazy and the ashtrays were full on a recent night at the Crowbar Inc. tavern on the Southeast Side, despite Illinois' nearly 2-year-old indoor smoking ban. Â Here, after a few fines they take away your license (hasn't happened, but been threatened) Â I actually know of several bars in WI did that moved to being smoke free. They did much better afterward. Now that is a very small example and may/may not be indicative of the industry. Â Â Most of those will be bar / grills or bar / restaurants. Very different to regular bars. Â I can think of 3 regular bars that went smoke free voluntarily before the ban and did just fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Cid Posted December 14, 2009 Share Posted December 14, 2009 I can think of 3 regular bars that went smoke free voluntarily before the ban and did just fine. Â Sure, because the market was allowed to decide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmarc117 Posted December 14, 2009 Share Posted December 14, 2009 Sure, because the market was allowed to decide. Â Â yea...people that smoke are going to sit in their homes and drink. no more bars for them. never again! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Cid Posted December 14, 2009 Share Posted December 14, 2009 yea...people that smoke are going to sit in their homes and drink. no more bars for them. never again! No, they're going to stand outside and freeze for 10 minutes at a time because that is the punishment for engaging in an otherwise legal activity in public. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmarc117 Posted December 14, 2009 Share Posted December 14, 2009 No, they're going to stand outside and freeze for 10 minutes at a time because that is the punishment for engaging in an otherwise legal activity in public. Â Â they dont have to smoke, they just choose to smoke. thus they choose to freeze. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chavez Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 Most of those will be bar / grills or bar / restaurants. Very different to regular bars. Â In the Milwaukee metro area, I know of one restaurant that voluntarily went smoke free and does well so far as I can tell. Â I know of one non-smoking bar that lasted a couple years and closed. I think there is another one open that is doing OK for itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 In the Milwaukee metro area, I know of one restaurant that voluntarily went smoke free and does well so far as I can tell. Â I know of one non-smoking bar that lasted a couple years and closed. I think there is another one open that is doing OK for itself. I don't know any smokers that want to eat a meal in a cloud of smoke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yukon Cornelius Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 I don't know any smokers that want to eat a meal in a cloud of smoke. that BBQ flavor is yummy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmarc117 Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 that BBQ flavor is yummy   smoking your meat while smoking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skylive5 Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 yea...people that smoke are going to sit in their homes and drink. no more bars for them. never again! Â I haven't been in a bar since the State Of Washington went no-smoking. And I know a whole raft of people that have followed that path. A bunch of places here have gone out of business when their customers where cut by 60-70 percent after the law went into effect. And the thing is... the ones that spend the most money in those places are the smokers. Non-smokers are cheap and whiney and prefer to tell everyone else in the world how to live their life. Â The next law they are pushing is that you can't smoke in your car and you can't smoke in your house if there are people under 18 in it. They can kiss my go to hell on either one of those. Â I have a sign (30 years old now) that sits in a prominate place in my house: Â "Thank you for holding your breath while I smoke." Â I'm getting another one soon.... "If you don't like me smoking.... leave". Â Â There is nothing worse on the face of the earth than a zealot that knows what is best for you. We have a few of those here that's for sure. Go live your own life and leave others alone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmarc117 Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 I haven't been in a bar since the State Of Washington went no-smoking. And I know a whole raft of people that have followed that path. A bunch of places here have gone out of business when their customers where cut by 60-70 percent after the law went into effect. And the thing is... the ones that spend the most money in those places are the smokers. Non-smokers are cheap and whiney and prefer to tell everyone else in the world how to live their life. Â The next law they are pushing is that you can't smoke in your car and you can't smoke in your house if there are people under 18 in it. They can kiss my go to hell on either one of those. Â I have a sign (30 years old now) that sits in a prominate place in my house: Â "Thank you for holding your breath while I smoke." Â I'm getting another one soon.... "If you don't like me smoking.... leave". Â Â There is nothing worse on the face of the earth than a zealot that knows what is best for you. We have a few of those here that's for sure. Go live your own life and leave others alone. Â Â do you believe second-hand smoke kills? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skylive5 Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 do you believe second-hand smoke kills? Â Nobody that has been around me for the last 50 years has lung cancer. So I guess not. Â But it doesn't matter what I believe. I'm not here to tell anyone how to live their life... and I get damn tired of them telling me how to live mine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmarc117 Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 Nobody that has been around me for the last 50 years has lung cancer. So I guess not. But it doesn't matter what I believe. I'm not here to tell anyone how to live their life... and I get damn tired of them telling me how to live mine.   i agree with you, if your actions just affect YOUR life. but smoking affects not only the smoker, but others around him/her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skylive5 Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 i agree with you, if your actions just affect YOUR life. but smoking affects not only the smoker, but others around him/her. Â Not to my knowledge. Nor to anyone in my family or circle of extemely long time friends. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildcat2334 Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 I haven't been in a bar since the State Of Washington went no-smoking. And I know a whole raft of people that have followed that path. A bunch of places here have gone out of business when their customers where cut by 60-70 percent after the law went into effect. And the thing is... the ones that spend the most money in those places are the smokers. Non-smokers are cheap and whiney and prefer to tell everyone else in the world how to live their life. Â The next law they are pushing is that you can't smoke in your car and you can't smoke in your house if there are people under 18 in it. They can kiss my go to hell on either one of those. Â I have a sign (30 years old now) that sits in a prominate place in my house: Â "Thank you for holding your breath while I smoke." Â I'm getting another one soon.... "If you don't like me smoking.... leave". Â Â There is nothing worse on the face of the earth than a zealot that knows what is best for you. We have a few of those here that's for sure. Go live your own life and leave others alone. Â Â as a longtime WA resident the bolded part is just flat out not true on so many levels I really don't know where to start.............just an old-school out of touch mentality my man. Â smokers still found ways to smoke if they needed a fix- and most smokers I know either came around to liking the law or where in favor from the get-go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpwallace49 Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 Not to my knowledge. Nor to anyone in my family or circle of extemely long time friends. Â Sooo when you smoke the smoke does not get inhaled by others? Whether you admit it or not, that does effect them and it is against their will. Â I am not talking about cancer, but the mere act of inhaling your smoke effects those around you . . . and not everyone is jumping for joy for the opportunity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westvirginia Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 Nobody that has been around me for the last 50 years has lung cancer. So I guess not. But it doesn't matter what I believe. I'm not here to tell anyone how to live their life... and I get damn tired of them telling me how to live mine.  Sky, you rock dude. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skylive5 Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 as a longtime WA resident the bolded part is just flat out not true on so many levels I really don't know where to start.............just an old-school out of touch mentality my man.  smokers still found ways to smoke if they needed a fix- and most smokers I know either came around to liking the law or where in favor from the get-go   Go ahead... start.  And while you are at it....since you must live in the same area as I do to know truth/non-truth....maybe we can get together. Would have to be an outdoor place at least 30ft from a storefront though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushwacked Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 Whether you are a smoker or not, you have to be pretty damn snobby to think that the gubment should be dictating whether business/property owners can or cannot decide whether patrons can smoke on their premises. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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