Easy n Dirty Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 Current forecast for Baltimore at game time is for rain. Any thoughts on how this might affect the passing game, specifically of the Lions, such as it is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Muto Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 Winds are under 15 MPH so I would not concern myself as much with the weather as Culpepper sucking. The rain might actually help the WR's they know where they are cutting and the defense backs are just guessing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irish Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 Rain, as long as it's not extremely heavy, is not the problem. Wind is the biggest issue. Rain can actually benefit the passing game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paco Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 I'm with Huddler...I think the rain may be a factor to an extent with an indoor team like Det...but, not as much Culpepper trying to survive...Although Balt's D isn't what it was...Ray Lewis is going to get them fired up and they'll play for pride at home this weekend! BTW...please give me some input on my poll...I need to get my WRs for tomorrow...I have a poll "U Pick 3"...I could use everybody's help! It's my first ever playoff game! Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Dick Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 Johnson will have a terrible day since someone called him Megatron again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cliaz Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 Rain, as long as it's not extremely heavy, is not the problem. Wind is the biggest issue. Rain can actually benefit the passing game. That is a horrible line of thought. Event a fine mist is a problem for the passing game. Any substance touching a football affects both running and passing game. I mean, the Ref wipes off the ball before setting it Rain will impact the passing game, the question is to what degree. That being said, unless you have a better choice to start I wouldn't worry too much about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damageinc Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 (edited) Rain unless its a monsoon means little. It rains all the time , Ive seen 300 yards 4 td games in the rain . strong winds affect the passing game not rain. Edited December 13, 2009 by damageinc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zooty Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 Johnson will have a terrible day since someone called him Megatron again. +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gdawg Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 The real question is whether or not Ed Reed plays; he is currently listed as doubtful. if Reed doesn't play Johnson could do quite well; Culpepper ain't great but he'll chuck it at Johnson all day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irish Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 That is a horrible line of thought. Event a fine mist is a problem for the passing game. Any substance touching a football affects both running and passing game. I mean, the Ref wipes off the ball before setting it Rain will impact the passing game, the question is to what degree. That being said, unless you have a better choice to start I wouldn't worry too much about. Disagree completely. And great passing/receiving games have been posted in the rain which support what I've said. Sure the ball will be somewhat wet but my point is that the wind has a much bigger affect than does rain (as long as it's not heavy). I'd be more worried about Culpepper hurting C. Johnson than the rain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatDude Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 Any updates on the weather? I read its going to be windy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HowboutthemCowboys Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 Any updates on the weather? I read its going to be windy. http://www.accuweather.com/us/md/baltimore...=1&metric=0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cliaz Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 Disagree completely. And great passing/receiving games have been posted in the rain which support what I've said. Sure the ball will be somewhat wet but my point is that the wind has a much bigger affect than does rain (as long as it's not heavy). I'd be more worried about Culpepper hurting C. Johnson than the rain. Again, horrible line of thinking there Ace. Explain the horrible passing/receiving games in the rain then and tell me how that supports what you said. Simple physics are in play, there is an increase in risk to the standard mechanics of throwing and catching a ball when the football is wet. The kinetic energy transferred from the QBs arm to the ball is lessened and/or compromised by the water on the ball, when it is thrown this water disrupts normal air flow around the surface, reducing the transfer of kinetic energy from the QBs fingers to the ball causing his fingers to 'hydroplane' as he releases the ball, and same applies to the receiver. Simple odds will dictate that QBs and WRs will have good games here and there but those odds are founded on variables like - say - a team who plays outside in the bad weather verse a team from a dome. And no one is saying anything against your 'wind' assessment because if there is one thing we all know here its like you know your wind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zooty Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 Again, horrible line of thinking there Ace. Explain the horrible passing/receiving games in the rain then and tell me how that supports what you said. Simple physics are in play, there is an increase in risk to the standard mechanics of throwing and catching a ball when the football is wet. The kinetic energy transferred from the QBs arm to the ball is lessened and/or compromised by the water on the ball, when it is thrown this water disrupts normal air flow around the surface, reducing the transfer of kinetic energy from the QBs fingers to the ball causing his fingers to 'hydroplane' as he releases the ball, and same applies to the receiver. Simple odds will dictate that QBs and WRs will have good games here and there but those odds are founded on variables like - say - a team who plays outside in the bad weather verse a team from a dome. And no one is saying anything against your 'wind' assessment because if there is one thing we all know here its like you know your wind. As much as its pains me to agree with Irish, he's correct. Rain and sloppy fields benefit the offense and WRs. Its wind that really hurts the passing not rain. I know its counter-intuitive about catching and throwing but there is data that backs it up. I don't feel like looking right now but its out there. Now really hard downpours will effect the WRs and QBs but a normal rain actually seems to help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cliaz Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 As much as its pains me to agree with Irish, he's correct. Rain and sloppy fields benefit the offense and WRs. Its wind that really hurts the passing not rain. I know its counter-intuitive about catching and throwing but there is data that backs it up. I don't feel like looking right now but its out there. Now really hard downpours will effect the WRs and QBs but a normal rain actually seems to help. I am sorry to hear this since I used to always respect you. Let's put it this way, go back over 5 years and look at the stats. Nuff said. And you are now dead to me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i_am_the_swammi Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 (edited) Gotta agree with Cliaz here. While there is some truth to the fact that WRs can make their cuts with greater ease than DBs trying to react to them.....the simple truth is that throwing and catching a wet football in 40 degree temperatures is a hell of a lot more difficult than 70 degrees & dry. No brainer, actually. I wouldn't bench a QB/WR over it, but I'd certainly downgrade their perdictions. ETA: found this on NFL monster to sum it up: Throwing in the Rain •Rain makes the ball wet and heavier which will shorten the distance it travels, as well as the trajectory.. •Rain makes it harder to grip the ball, affecting the quarterback's ability to impart spin and force to it. •Rain hitting the ball will shorten the distance it travels, as well as the trajectory. •A wet uniform, as well as being cold, can affect the quarterback's ability to throw. •Rain can also affect vision, making the target harder to determine. •Mud and wet fields make footing less sure and can affect the force the quarterback imparts to the football. Edited December 13, 2009 by i_am_the_swammi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STL Fan Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 The new wet-grip gloves that have come out in the past couple years added to the fact that the refs now actively work to keep the ball somewhat dry during the game have dramatically lessened the effect of rain on a game. I hear what you're saying Cliaz, but at this point rain has very little impact on the passing game other than to make it harder for the d-backs to cover a guy. That being said, on a natural surface, mud on the ball is a problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Muto Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 That is a horrible line of thought. Event a fine mist is a problem for the passing game. Any substance touching a football affects both running and passing game. I mean, the Ref wipes off the ball before setting it Rain will impact the passing game, the question is to what degree. That being said, unless you have a better choice to start I wouldn't worry too much about. Brady, Moss and Welker really struggled with the mist of snow ealier this year vs Tenn 59 pts and 6 TD passes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STL Fan Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 Brady, Moss and Welker really struggled with the mist of snow ealier this year vs Tenn 59 pts and 6 TD passes We were talking rain. Cold and snow are an entirely different matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cliaz Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 Brady, Moss and Welker really struggled with the mist of snow ealier this year vs Tenn 59 pts and 6 TD passes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irish Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 (edited) Again, horrible line of thinking there Ace. Explain the horrible passing/receiving games in the rain then and tell me how that supports what you said. Simple physics are in play, there is an increase in risk to the standard mechanics of throwing and catching a ball when the football is wet. The kinetic energy transferred from the QBs arm to the ball is lessened and/or compromised by the water on the ball, when it is thrown this water disrupts normal air flow around the surface, reducing the transfer of kinetic energy from the QBs fingers to the ball causing his fingers to 'hydroplane' as he releases the ball, and same applies to the receiver. Simple odds will dictate that QBs and WRs will have good games here and there but those odds are founded on variables like - say - a team who plays outside in the bad weather verse a team from a dome. And no one is saying anything against your 'wind' assessment because if there is one thing we all know here its like you know your wind. At this point it's like asking me to explain it again like I do with my kids in school who didn't understand it the first 2 times. BTW- I did enjoy the science lesson though, since I do teach science. Enjoy the games today. Edited December 13, 2009 by irish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpwallace49 Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 Calvin's game is more deep passes, which ARE effected by rain. As I remember, there were a lot of shorter passes in that NE game that Welker was able to break for longer YAC. Add in not the most accurate QB in Culpepper, and I am not happy that I have to start Calvin in a couple leagues . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easy n Dirty Posted December 13, 2009 Author Share Posted December 13, 2009 Much as I hate to make switches on Sunday mornings (bad karma), I just took Calvin Johnson out of my lineup and inserted Driver. It was a close call for me all week - not at all happy about Culpepper starting, but on the other hand Driver's track record against the Bers is not a good one (track record strongly favors Jennings). Had Johnson in up until now, but the weather was enough for me to tip the scales. Calvin Johnson owners should rejoice - I haven't gotten this one right all year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STL Fan Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 Calvin Johnson owners should rejoice - I haven't gotten this one right all year. Do me a favor then and bench Roddy White, OK? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpwallace49 Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 Much as I hate to make switches on Sunday mornings (bad karma), I just took Calvin Johnson out of my lineup and inserted Driver. It was a close call for me all week - not at all happy about Culpepper starting, but on the other hand Driver's track record against the Bers is not a good one (track record strongly favors Jennings). Had Johnson in up until now, but the weather was enough for me to tip the scales. Calvin Johnson owners should rejoice - I haven't gotten this one right all year. Chicago has OWNED Donald Driver for the last several years . . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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