Did you know people are poor?

[gbpfan1231]

The question I wanted to have the answer to was why people like you are so keen to clobber welfare freeloaders - even when it's demonstrated that most aren't freeloading at all - when there are far bigger tax drains elsewhere. I agree about the freeloading needing to stop but I really am interested in why you find it so important to address the smaller loss over the bigger one(s).

 

Tax cheating costs us - yes, us - nearly $300 billion per year., enough to cover a third of the annual deficit. Can you say that of your target miscreants, the welfare queens?

When are you going to get it that welfare freeloaders should get clobbered ALONG with tax cheats. I am sick of you putting words into my mouth. This whole discussion was about govt assistance NOT taxes - that is why I was talking about people freeloading on assistance.

 

If you want me to say that tax cheats are bad and it costs more money than welfare cheats I agree with you. I am not brushing one under the rug and I have no idea where you got that.

[Ursa Majoris]

If you want me to say that tax cheats are bad and it costs more money than welfare cheats I agree with you.

Thank you.

[tosberg34]

The question I wanted to have the answer to was why people like you are so keen to clobber welfare freeloaders - even when it's demonstrated that most aren't freeloading at all - when there are far bigger tax drains elsewhere. I agree about the freeloading needing to stop but I really am interested in why you find it so important to address the smaller loss over the bigger one(s).

 

Tax cheating costs us - yes, us - nearly $300 billion per year., enough to cover a third of the annual deficit. Can you say that of your target miscreants, the welfare queens?

 

I agree - let's get the tax cheats as well.

[bpwallace49]

What were we talking about again?

[gbpfan1231]

I think I am done here. If you want me to add more you can ask Ursa to keep putting words into my mouth and post them as me.

 

Just kidding man - trying to lighten it up a bit.

[gbpfan1231]

Tos . . can you imagine a more dedicated voter, than one that was raised out of poverty? That was able to buy a house because of programs put in place by a particular party? Very shrewd politics!

 

The right uses the term "class warfare" to rail against taxes and win the support of lower income people because everyone beleives in the American Dream that "they too!" can become a millionaire! Also "if" people DO create wealth eventually, they become more right-leaning to "protect their wealth".

 

Tos . . . my college degree is in political science. This isnt railing on either party . . but just showing you the flaws in the system.

If the above is all it takes then the dude from Extreme Makeover should be the next prez.

Edited December 14, 2009 by gbpfan1231

[Delicious_bass]

What were we talking about again?

Here is the original article Waterman posted...

Half of US kids will get food stamps, study says

 

By LINDSEY TANNER, AP Medical Writer

 

Monday, November 2, 2009

 

 

Nearly half of all U.S. children and 90 percent of black youngsters will be on food stamps at some point during childhood, and fallout from the current recession could push those numbers even higher, researchers say.

 

The estimate comes from an analysis of 30 years of national data, and it bolsters other recent evidence on the pervasiveness of youngsters at economic risk. It suggests that almost everyone knows a family who has received food stamps, or will in the future, said lead author Mark Rank, a sociologist at Washington University in St. Louis.

 

"Your neighbor may be using some of these programs but it's not the kind of thing people want to talk about," Rank said.

 

The analysis was released Monday in the November issue of Archives of Pediatrics and Adolescent Medicine. The authors say it's a medical issue pediatricians need to be aware of because children on food stamps are at risk for malnutrition and other ills linked with poverty.

 

"This is a real danger sign that we as a society need to do a lot more to protect children," Rank said.

 

Food stamps are a Department of Agriculture program for low-income individuals and families, covering most foods although not prepared hot foods or alcohol. For a family of four to be eligible, their annual take-home pay can't exceed about $22,000.

 

According to a USDA report released last month, 28.4 million Americans received food stamps in an average month in 2008, and about half were younger than age 18. The average monthly benefit per household totaled $222.

 

Rank and Cornell University sociologist Thomas Hirschl studied data from a nationally representative survey of 4,800 American households interviewed annually from 1968 through 1997 by the University of Michigan. About 18,000 adults and children were involved.

 

Overall, about 49 percent of all children were on food stamps at some point by the age of 20, the analysis found. That includes 90 percent of black children and 37 percent of whites. The analysis didn't include other ethnic groups.

 

The time span included typical economic ups and downs, including the early 1980s recession. That means similar portions of children now and in the future will live in families receiving food stamps, although ongoing economic turmoil may increase the numbers, Rank said.

 

An editorial in the medical journal agreed.

 

"The current recession is likely to generate for children in the United States the greatest level of material deprivation that we will see in our professional lifetimes," Stanford pediatrician Dr. Paul Wise wrote.

 

Wise said the Archives study estimate is believable.

 

"I find it terribly sad, but not surprising," Wise said.

 

James Weill, president of Food Research and Action Center, a Washington-based advocacy group, said the analysis underscores that "there are just very large numbers of people who rely on this program for a month, six months, a year."

 

"What I hope comes out of this study is an understanding that food stamp beneficiaries aren't them — they're us," Weill said.

 

The analysis is in line with other recent research suggesting that more than 40 percent of U.S. children will live in poverty or near-poverty by age 17; and that half will live at some point in a single-parent family. Also, other researchers have estimated that slightly more than half of adults will use food stamps at some point by age 65.

...I think it bears repeating as the discussion seems to have travelled a ways from where it started and gotten off track a bit which may be leading to missunderstanding...

[tosberg34]

What were we talking about again?

 

I think it was pork bellies. I like pork bellies.

 

What are pork bellies?

[bpwallace49]

If the above is all it takes then the dude from Extreme Makeover should be the next prez.

 

No doubt . . .

[Delicious_bass]

I think it was pork bellies. I like pork bellies.

 

What are pork bellies?

That stuff on the front of Wisconsin girls?

[bpwallace49]

Here is the original article Waterman posted......I think it bears repeating as the discussion seems to have travelled a ways from where it started and gotten off track a bit which may be leading to missunderstanding...

 

Thank you!

 

I was very disturbed to see the how badly the racial gap is with 90% of black children being on some kind of govt support during childhood.

 

Remember when we all had "gym class" where we would run around and then play after school instead of playing video games? I refuse to buy a video game system until my kids are in high school, if they still want it. I am sure that is a contributer to the aforementioned obesity rates rising.

 

It is sad that we cant even feed our own nation, but can export food to other countries . .

[tosberg34]

That stuff on the front of Wisconsin girls?

 

or on the back of MN girls?

[gbpfan1231]

That stuff on the front of Wisconsin girls?

The first post I 100% agree with and I live in Wisconsin.

[Delicious_bass]

or on the back of MN girls?

[Ursa Majoris]

Copying the article here so I can bold a few things.

 

Half of US kids will get food stamps, study says

 

By LINDSEY TANNER, AP Medical Writer

 

Monday, November 2, 2009

 

 

Nearly half of all U.S. children and 90 percent of black youngsters will be on food stamps at some point during childhood, and fallout from the current recession could push those numbers even higher, researchers say.

 

The estimate comes from an analysis of 30 years of national data, and it bolsters other recent evidence on the pervasiveness of youngsters at economic risk. It suggests that almost everyone knows a family who has received food stamps, or will in the future, said lead author Mark Rank, a sociologist at Washington University in St. Louis.

 

"Your neighbor may be using some of these programs but it's not the kind of thing people want to talk about," Rank said.

 

The analysis was released Monday in the November issue of Archives of Pediatrics and Adolescent Medicine. The authors say it's a medical issue pediatricians need to be aware of because children on food stamps are at risk for malnutrition and other ills linked with poverty.

 

"This is a real danger sign that we as a society need to do a lot more to protect children," Rank said.

 

Food stamps are a Department of Agriculture program for low-income individuals and families, covering most foods although not prepared hot foods or alcohol. For a family of four to be eligible, their annual take-home pay can't exceed about $22,000.

 

According to a USDA report released last month, 28.4 million Americans received food stamps in an average month in 2008, and about half were younger than age 18. The average monthly benefit per household totaled $222.

 

Rank and Cornell University sociologist Thomas Hirschl studied data from a nationally representative survey of 4,800 American households interviewed annually from 1968 through 1997 by the University of Michigan. About 18,000 adults and children were involved.

 

Overall, about 49 percent of all children were on food stamps at some point by the age of 20, the analysis found. That includes 90 percent of black children and 37 percent of whites. The analysis didn't include other ethnic groups.

 

The time span included typical economic ups and downs, including the early 1980s recession. That means similar portions of children now and in the future will live in families receiving food stamps, although ongoing economic turmoil may increase the numbers, Rank said.

 

An editorial in the medical journal agreed.

 

"The current recession is likely to generate for children in the United States the greatest level of material deprivation that we will see in our professional lifetimes," Stanford pediatrician Dr. Paul Wise wrote.

 

Wise said the Archives study estimate is believable.

 

"I find it terribly sad, but not surprising," Wise said.

 

James Weill, president of Food Research and Action Center, a Washington-based advocacy group, said the analysis underscores that "there are just very large numbers of people who rely on this program for a month, six months, a year."

 

"What I hope comes out of this study is an understanding that food stamp beneficiaries aren't them — they're us," Weill said.

 

The analysis is in line with other recent research suggesting that more than 40 percent of U.S. children will live in poverty or near-poverty by age 17; and that half will live at some point in a single-parent family. Also, other researchers have estimated that slightly more than half of adults will use food stamps at some point by age 65.

 

A few points:

 

28 million Americans on food stamps in an average month, or 10% of the population. Let's assume four per household, so 7 million households.

$222 per month per household - NOT per person - on average

So we have a total spend of 7 million x $222 = $1.554 billion / month, or $18.65 billion annually.

 

And that's the ENTIRE program. Like I said, it's a gnat on a rhino's ass.

[wiegie]

It is sad that we cant even feed our own nation, but can export food to other countries . .

uh, we do feed our own nation--that's what the food stamps are doing

 

[bpwallace49]

uh, we do feed our own nation--that's what the food stamps are doing

 

 

Apparently we dont feed them enough

 

The analysis was released Monday in the November issue of Archives of Pediatrics and Adolescent Medicine. The authors say it's a medical issue pediatricians need to be aware of because children on food stamps are at risk for malnutrition and other ills linked with poverty.

[Delicious_bass]

Apparently we dont feed them enough

This would suggest that they are eating but not eating the right stuff

 

From Waterman's article...

Nearly half of all U.S. children and 90 percent of black youngsters will be on food stamps at some point during childhood, and fallout from the current recession could push those numbers even higher, researchers say.

 

The estimate comes from an analysis of 30 years of national data, and it bolsters other recent evidence on the pervasiveness of youngsters at economic risk.

 

From the CDC...

Obesity by Race/Ethnicity 2006-2008

New Obesity Data Shows Blacks Have the Highest Rates of Obesity

Blacks had 51 percent higher prevalence of obesity, and Hispanics had 21 percent higher obesity prevalence compared with whites.

Edited December 14, 2009 by Delicious_bass

[bpwallace49]

This would suggest that they are eating but not eating the right stuff

 

That had some GREAT distribution graphs! I couldnt beleive how much of the obesity/diabeties area was in the south.

 

It all comes back to proper education and nutritional habits coupled with not watching TV for 5 hours every day.

[Delicious_bass]

That had some GREAT distribution graphs! I couldnt beleive how much of the obesity/diabeties area was in the south.

 

It all comes back to proper education and nutritional habits coupled with not watching TV for 5 hours every day.

While true, at what point do we hold people responsible for being able to use some common sense and figure some things out on their own? I mean, its not like we're talking about teaching oneself algebra or something. We're talking about some of the most basic functions in life. Are there really people in the US that dont know by now that eating junk food and not excercising will most likely lead to them becoming fat? Are there really people that dont understand that unprotected sex can lead to pregnancy?

 

If people are getting enough calories that they become obese, then it seems to me the problem is more the choices they make with the resources they have rather than the lack of resources per se.

[tosberg34]

While true, at what point do we hold people responsible for being able to use some common sense and figure some things out on their own? I mean, its not like we're talking about teaching oneself algebra or something. We're talking about some of the most basic functions in life. Are there really people in the US that dont know by now that eating junk food and not excercising will most likely lead to them becoming fat? Are there really people that dont understand that unprotected sex can lead to pregnancy?

 

If people are getting enough calories that they become obese, then it seems to me the problem is more the choices they make with the resources they have rather than the lack of resources per se.

 

I like what you have said here. I like it a lot.

[untateve]

I agree with Perch and it also seems as the needy find the need to pop out more kids than they can afford. If you just pay attention and take note of the people that tend to have 4 or more kids they are the people that probably can't afford one.

 

Those four kids come from a crap family and have four kids each - now you have 20. That has to be part of the reason so many need assistance.

 

The Pope says that it's a sin to use birth control. Why do you want poor people to go to Hell?

[tosberg34]

The Pope says that it's a sin to use birth control. Why do you want poor people to go to Hell?

 

Oh great, somebody had now interjected religion. I don't think he wants poor people to go to hell, I just think he just wants YOU to go to hell.

[untateve]

Oh great, somebody had now interjected religion. I don't think he wants poor people to go to hell, I just think he just wants YOU to go to hell.

 

Is he my mother-in-law?

[Ursa Majoris]

I like what you have said here. I like it a lot.

He's right, of course, and so are you but it still doesn't detract from the number of people on food stamps and the increase thereof. Also, food stamps can't be used on prepared hot meals such as junk fast food, according to the original article.