matt770 Posted March 11, 2010 Share Posted March 11, 2010 Maybe she digs wearing guy's clothes. Maybe that's her thing because she's not feminine. There's nothing wrong with that and it shouldn't be seen as her trying to make a statement. Maybe she feels weird wearing a dress. Provided she is dressed in a manner that is not lurid and/or "fancy enough" for the occasion (which a tux most certainly qualifies), she should be able to dress however she feels right. I do disagree with this somewhat, only in that it's a school and they are allowed to set a dress code for students on school property and for school-sanctioned events. So if they said a girl can't wear a tux, I could understand that. Then let the girl decide if she wants to attend or not. The rule about dates being of the opposite sex -- they need to get with the times. Like it or not, ghey kids aren't staying closeted anymore. Canceling the prom over this is absurd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duchess Jack Posted March 11, 2010 Share Posted March 11, 2010 The onus is not on them to make it comfy for everyone else. The onus is on everyone else to get over themselves and just worry about their own freaking deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detlef Posted March 11, 2010 Share Posted March 11, 2010 I dont disagree with you at all. Just saying she must have made a point of letting them know that(wearing a tux) was her intent or else it wouldnt be part of the story. In a perfect world, she should be able to wear anything formal(as you said) and go with whomever she chooses. The world she lives in, though, says same sex dates are not allowed at Prom. Yet she decided to approach them and lobby that she could bring her girlfriend and one of them was going to wear a tux. It might have been interpreted that the girls were making a mockery of the whole thing which may have been all the excuse the school needed to scrap the whole thing. The only point I was trying to make was that insisting that one of them was going to wear a tux (no matter what the reason she wanted to wear it) was not going to help their case for being allowed to go to this prom. FWIW, it seems to be rather common among same sex female couples that one wears a man's suit in formal occasions. At least, that's what I've witnessed attending a few same sex "marriages". I've attended one wedding between two guys and they both wore suits (again, FWIW). So, I'm not sure if they were "insisting" on one wearing a suit for the sake of shock value or if that's simply how they roll (or rather, role), but from what I've seen, it seems to be the latter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detlef Posted March 11, 2010 Share Posted March 11, 2010 I do disagree with this somewhat, only in that it's a school and they are allowed to set a dress code for students on school property and for school-sanctioned events. So if they said a girl can't wear a tux, I could understand that. Then let the girl decide if she wants to attend or not. The rule about dates being of the opposite sex -- they need to get with the times. Like it or not, ghey kids aren't staying closeted anymore. Canceling the prom over this is absurd. I am nearly certain that if a pretty, straight girl came dressed in a feminine suit that resembled a tux, escorted by a guy, there would be no issue at all in terms of dress code. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duchess Jack Posted March 11, 2010 Share Posted March 11, 2010 Canceling the prom over this is absurd. maybe it was a clever way for the school to balance the budget and the girls gave them a reason. I know when I grew up that we sold candybars and such to offset the price of tickets - if the school did this - I wonder what will happen to that money Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big John Posted March 11, 2010 Share Posted March 11, 2010 A related note: Just to make sure I wasn't imagining anything, I wiki'd beastiality laws" and came across a page discussing "zoophilia". I would suggest that nobody else go down this path. Just saying. Though there were some hot paintings of an octopus and a swan going down on a woman. NSFW Or sheep and a certain ex-huddler? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delicious_bass Posted March 11, 2010 Share Posted March 11, 2010 Or sheep and a certain ex-huddler? Ewe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddahj Posted March 19, 2010 Author Share Posted March 19, 2010 Prediction: Ellen Degeneres steps in and offers to pay for a prom for these kids. You were very close... LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Talk show host Ellen DeGeneres and an inspirational Web site on Friday gave $30,000 toward the college education of a teenage lesbian whose high school prom was canceled when she asked to attend with a girl.Constance McMillen, 18, of Itawamba County, Mississippi, appeared on "The Ellen DeGeneres Show" to talk about her experience and at the end of the segment DeGeneres, who is a lesbian, presented her with the check from the Web site, Tonic. (http://www.tonic.com) McMillen's story made headlines earlier this month when the Itawamba County school board canceled the high school dance that for many students is a high point of their year. Back in December, McMillen had asked school officials if she could attend with her girlfriend, and at first they said "no." Later, they changed their position and said the two could go, but not together, nor could they dance or hold hands. "We could go, but not like as a date," McMillen told DeGeneres. "I was like, I'm not going to go to prom and pretend like I'm not gay, so there's no point in me going." The prom remains canceled, and the American Civil Liberties Union has sued the school on McMillen's behalf. McMillen told DeGeneres other kids from her school are angry and blame her for the canceled dance. DeGeneres countered that she thought the 18-year-old was "brave" for speaking out. "It's always easy to be quiet, especially when you know somebody might tell you 'no' or it's going to cause a scene," said DeGeneres, who is also a judge on "American Idol." Tonic describes itself on its Web site as being "dedicated to promoting the good that happens each day around the world." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riffraff Posted March 20, 2010 Share Posted March 20, 2010 What a way to get $30,000. Perhaps the other kids that can't go to the prom should be given free money. Mississippi would increase the education level in the community tenfold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delicious_bass Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 What a way to get $30,000. Perhaps the other kids that can't go to the prom should be given free money. Mississippi would increase the education level in the community tenfold. +1 I can appreciate the fact that Ellen is trying to do a good thing(and it is her money) but this seems to set a bad prescedent and could actually have a negative affect in the long run, IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duchess Jack Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 As somebody said - its her money. I applaud the kid for standing up for what she believed and think the school is flat out wrong in this one. I see no problem with Ellen helping the kid out for college. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detlef Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 +1 I can appreciate the fact that Ellen is trying to do a good thing(and it is her money) but this seems to set a bad prescedent and could actually have a negative affect in the long run, IMO. Exactly, think of all the kids out there who will now refuse to be denied their rights in some shameless money grab. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delicious_bass Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 Exactly, think of all the kids out there who will now refuse to be denied their rights in some shameless money grab. Or, think of all the devious little chits who will now see another opportunity to work the system or be a pain in the ass. We've already got people faking abductions and crap like that to try to get some attention or $. How long do you think before a couple of conniving young girls(or guys) get the idea that they can get preferential treatment by faking some kind of "scandal" relating to their sexuality? I am not suggesting every girl in the 11th grade is going to suddenly start telling everyone she's gay in an attempt to get some attention or $, but there will no doubt be some who get together and try to go to their prom as a gay couple (when they're really not) or something similar. They'll look to stirs things up in hopes they'll get some publicity and maybe some gay celeb will throw them a scholarship, too. What Ellen did, while noble enough in intent, could have some adverse side effects is all I am sayin... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detlef Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 Or, think of all the devious little chits who will now see another opportunity to work the system or be a pain in the ass. We've already got people faking abductions and crap like that to try to get some attention or $. How long do you think before a couple of conniving young girls(or guys) get the idea that they can get preferential treatment by faking some kind of "scandal" relating to their sexuality? I am not suggesting every girl in the 11th grade is going to suddenly start telling everyone she's gay in an attempt to get some attention or $, but there will no doubt be some who get together and try to go to their prom as a gay couple (when they're really not) or something similar. They'll look to stirs things up in hopes they'll get some publicity and maybe some gay celeb will throw them a scholarship, too. What Ellen did, while noble enough in intent, could have some adverse side effects is all I am sayin... Thing is, there won't be a pay-off for gays fighting for their right to go to the prom together as long as schools don't disallow it. So, even if a couple fakes being gay, that doesn't change the fact that the school's policy is wrong. Also, it's not like some official program that states that anyone who doesn't get to go to the prom with whom they want, they get $30K. In this case, someone was quite sympathetic to the cause because the school was 100% wrong in this regard and the person with the cash also happened to be gay. If some kid wants to make up some stupid story, they still have to convince some individual or group to part with the cash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riffraff Posted March 23, 2010 Share Posted March 23, 2010 (edited) So... shouldn't the student's date also get $30,000/college for being gay and not allowed to attend the prom? Why just one and not the other? I doubt it would be hard to know who the date was. Looks like grand standing by Ellen. Should have just paid for a new prom so that all students are equal, but perhaps with special guest appearances that would keep the community and media at bay. Edited March 23, 2010 by Riffraff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Neutron Posted March 23, 2010 Share Posted March 23, 2010 Heck - I'd take a Mississippi lesbian to the prom for $30k. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i_am_the_swammi Posted March 23, 2010 Share Posted March 23, 2010 The student, 18-year-old high school senior Constance McMillen, said the cancellation was retaliation for her efforts to bring her girlfriend, also a student, to the April 2 dance. pants tight http://www.clarionledger.com/article/20100...-student-s-date not so much Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detlef Posted March 23, 2010 Share Posted March 23, 2010 So... shouldn't the student's date also get $30,000/college for being gay and not allowed to attend the prom? Why just one and not the other? I doubt it would be hard to know who the date was. Looks like grand standing by Ellen. Should have just paid for a new prom so that all students are equal, but perhaps with special guest appearances that would keep the community and media at bay. My guess is that this has more to do with Ellen rewarding the girl for taking a stand, not in consolation for not getting to go to the prom with her date of choice. Obviously the girlfriend is not making the big deal about it that girl who ended up with the money is. Why, in this world where everyone is quick to point out that sometimes things aren't fair, is this gift all of a sudden a big deal? I'll tell you why, because the gift is attached to someone with an alternative lifestyle being uppity enough to not let society tell her it's not OK. Every year, some deserving kids get scholarships while other deserving kids don't. Every year, kids who can barely make minimum academic requirements get full-ride scholarships while others who are far more qualified to be at that school don't even make it in. Nobody says boo. But because some high-profile gay hooks a kid up with a gift because she had the stones to bring attention to a cause that she's obviously sympathetic to, it "set's a bad precedent" or is unfair because every gay kid in America isn't getting cash as well. First the girl, and now Ellen is being accused of grandstanding. You can't say that and, at the same time, truthfully say that this girl has a right to be openly gay without institutional repercussions. Because this girl's version of "grandstanding" is demanding that she be able to go to the prom with the date of her choice without having to sneak through the back door and Ellen's version of "grandstanding" is saying, with money, that someone big has your back and thank you for furthering the cause. And this should have absolutely nothing to do with whether or not you can relate at all to homosexuality and everything to do with a desire to protect personal freedoms when they have no negative impact on society. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpwallace49 Posted March 23, 2010 Share Posted March 23, 2010 Gays and lesbians in Mississippi? I am just glad they have stopped trying to bring livestock to the prom . . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delicious_bass Posted March 23, 2010 Share Posted March 23, 2010 Gays and lesbians in Mississippi? I am just glad they have stopped trying to bring livestock to the prom . . . . Its Mississippi, not Wisconsin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riffraff Posted March 24, 2010 Share Posted March 24, 2010 First the girl, and now Ellen is being accused of grandstanding. You can't say that and, at the same time, truthfully say that this girl has a right to be openly gay without institutional repercussions. Because this girl's version of "grandstanding" is demanding that she be able to go to the prom with the date of her choice without having to sneak through the back door and Ellen's version of "grandstanding" is saying, with money, that someone big has your back and thank you for furthering the cause. I thought the point of the article was that the girl could not go to the prom, not that she couldn't go to college. She now has a free ticket to college and still isn't going to the prom. Problem not solved. Call me weird to think that setting up a prom would have brought enough exposure to the cause (if nothing else, exposure to the new generation). Instead, a ticket to college is grand standing in my opinion since it went well beyond actually addressing the community issues the child is under. Basically taking the kid out of the situation instead of trying to enlighten the root cause in the community is running away from the problem, not furthering the cause. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbpfan1231 Posted March 24, 2010 Share Posted March 24, 2010 Its Mississippi, not Wisconsin I like that pic of you in your Avi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detlef Posted March 24, 2010 Share Posted March 24, 2010 I thought the point of the article was that the girl could not go to the prom, not that she couldn't go to college. She now has a free ticket to college and still isn't going to the prom. Problem not solved. Call me weird to think that setting up a prom would have brought enough exposure to the cause (if nothing else, exposure to the new generation). Instead, a ticket to college is grand standing in my opinion since it went well beyond actually addressing the community issues the child is under. Basically taking the kid out of the situation instead of trying to enlighten the root cause in the community is running away from the problem, not furthering the cause. A prom is already being set up by parents in the community. FWIW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riffraff Posted March 24, 2010 Share Posted March 24, 2010 A prom is already being set up by parents in the community. FWIW. Ah. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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