detlef Posted April 17, 2010 Share Posted April 17, 2010 I know of almost nobody who's satisfied with the manner in which the officials have been able to govern the whole "taunting" rule with regards to post TD celebrations. So what do they do? They extend it to include taking away TDs if a guy seemingly taunts on his way to the endzone. T-minus and counting until the first time a winning TD is taken away because some red-ass throws a flag because a kid smiles on his way to scoring the winning TD. I mean, we've already seen simply being excited because your team scored the go-ahead TD construed as "taunting", so why should we expect otherwise? Has anyone bothered to ask the fans or players if they find basically all the celebration that occurs to be offensive? Shouldn't that count for something? I mean, isn't that what is being protected? The delicate egos of the opposing fans and players because someone has the gall to emit emotion after scoring on them? These are kids! Kids who have spent all week getting pumped up beyond control about kicking ass. Then they do and we're supposed to be shocked because they mob the guy who scores? It's a freaking joke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddahj Posted April 17, 2010 Share Posted April 17, 2010 I don't know why it's such a big deal if they celebrate after a TD. I say let them do it all they want. It's not hurting anyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmypg Posted April 17, 2010 Share Posted April 17, 2010 NCAA wants the players to be robots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Cid Posted April 18, 2010 Share Posted April 18, 2010 Nothing pisses me off more than showboating. Jump around, be excited, sure that's to be expected. Choreographed dances and other in your face moves, stay the F away from the sport. That being said, taking a TD away is a very stupid idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detlef Posted April 18, 2010 Author Share Posted April 18, 2010 Nothing pisses me off more than showboating. Jump around, be excited, sure that's to be expected. Choreographed dances and other in your face moves, stay the F away from the sport. That being said, taking a TD away is a very stupid idea. I guess I only think it's lame whenever it is, in fact, lame. TO's sharpie and dude with the cell phone, were freaking great as far as I'm concerned and I've never gotten the, "in your face" part that people seem to see. In fact, one could argue that it's more "in your face" to be nonchalant about scoring. As if to say, "BFD, I just scored." More than that, I also fail to see the notion about trying to separate "the game" from showmanship. As if "the game" in itself is not played for the purpose of entertainment. It also comes up in interviews. Guys who don't talk to the media are seen as a-holes. But so are guys who don't give vanilla responses. So, it's really important that these guys avail themselves to us through the media, but just as important that they don't actually speak their mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Cid Posted April 19, 2010 Share Posted April 19, 2010 I guess I only think it's lame whenever it is, in fact, lame. TO's sharpie and dude with the cell phone, were freaking great as far as I'm concerned and I've never gotten the, "in your face" part that people seem to see. In fact, one could argue that it's more "in your face" to be nonchalant about scoring. As if to say, "BFD, I just scored." More than that, I also fail to see the notion about trying to separate "the game" from showmanship. As if "the game" in itself is not played for the purpose of entertainment. It also comes up in interviews. Guys who don't talk to the media are seen as a-holes. But so are guys who don't give vanilla responses. So, it's really important that these guys avail themselves to us through the media, but just as important that they don't actually speak their mind. Is it more in your face to hand the ball to the Ref and run off the field or to look directly at the linebacker of the other team and yell. "We just scored on your weak ass! Stop that beotch!" And I thought the TO thing with the sharpie was stupid as hell. The bottom line is that we are asking them to be entertainers with their athleticism, not their theatrical creativity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cameltosis Posted April 19, 2010 Share Posted April 19, 2010 Is it more in your face to hand the ball to the Ref and run off the field or to look directly at the linebacker of the other team and yell. "We just scored on your weak ass! Stop that beotch!" And I thought the TO thing with the sharpie was stupid as hell. The bottom line is that we are asking them to be entertainers with their athleticism, not their theatrical creativity. OK, but what happens when its a grey area and the ref decides its taunting. For lack of a better example off the top of my head, a handful of years ago in the OSU/Mighagn game Santonio Holmes scores a late TD to take the lead. He was runnng to the goal line and split 2 Michigan defenders. He lept from the 2 yard like and did a somersault into the endzone landing on his butt. There were 2 defenders within 2 yards. Could he have made it without the dive/summersault? Probably. Was it taunting? Probably not. He was flagged and OSU had to kickoff from deep giving Michigan good field position. It did not alter the outcome of the game but if they took away the TD it might have. This rule is a bad idea. Let the kids play and have some fun. If a guy does a neon Deon arm behind the head high step for 30 yards its a little different from an effort play that could be considered taunting but might not be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detlef Posted April 19, 2010 Author Share Posted April 19, 2010 Is it more in your face to hand the ball to the Ref and run off the field or to look directly at the linebacker of the other team and yell. "We just scored on your weak ass! Stop that beotch!" And I thought the TO thing with the sharpie was stupid as hell. The bottom line is that we are asking them to be entertainers with their athleticism, not their theatrical creativity. Well, for starters, looking directly at the other team and yelling that would, in fact, rather undeniably be taunting. It is malicious and pretty impossible to construe any other way. Regardless, I guess I didn't get the memo when "we" decided that we didn't want to see them party on the field. Again, I find it odd that we expect a very, very specific amount of animation from the guys who play this game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmypg Posted April 19, 2010 Share Posted April 19, 2010 I don't like taunting but the NCAA has been ridiculous at times. Last year ND ran in a late go ahead TD on the road. The RB put his finger to his mouth as if to shush the crowd. He got flagged for taunting. Simple things like that must be let go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gopher Posted April 19, 2010 Share Posted April 19, 2010 Doing something offensive is completely different than doing something lame. My feeling is do away with the excessive celebration penalty completely. If, however, your celebration takes so long that it delays the game from continuing, call the penalty exactly that... Delay of Game. Taunting is another issue completely. But, if a ref calls taunting, in my opinion, it better be pretty clear that the offending player was indeed taunting. Not just celebrating in such a way that SOMEONE could find it offensive... I'm talking about shoving his finger in the face of the opponent, throwing the ball in the direction of the opponent, making an obscene gesture, etc.... something blatant. Anything less than that, and my feeling is that people just need to get thicker skin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detlef Posted April 20, 2010 Author Share Posted April 20, 2010 Doing something offensive is completely different than doing something lame. My feeling is do away with the excessive celebration penalty completely. If, however, your celebration takes so long that it delays the game from continuing, call the penalty exactly that... Delay of Game. Taunting is another issue completely. But, if a ref calls taunting, in my opinion, it better be pretty clear that the offending player was indeed taunting. Not just celebrating in such a way that SOMEONE could find it offensive... I'm talking about shoving his finger in the face of the opponent, throwing the ball in the direction of the opponent, making an obscene gesture, etc.... something blatant. Anything less than that, and my feeling is that people just need to get thicker skin. Well said. It's so simple and obvious and yet... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockerbraves Posted April 20, 2010 Share Posted April 20, 2010 I know of almost nobody who's satisfied with the manner in which the officials have been able to govern the whole "taunting" rule with regards to post TD celebrations. So what do they do? They extend it to include taking away TDs if a guy seemingly taunts on his way to the endzone. T-minus and counting until the first time a winning TD is taken away because some red-ass throws a flag because a kid smiles on his way to scoring the winning TD. I mean, we've already seen simply being excited because your team scored the go-ahead TD construed as "taunting", so why should we expect otherwise? Has anyone bothered to ask the fans or players if they find basically all the celebration that occurs to be offensive? Shouldn't that count for something? I mean, isn't that what is being protected? The delicate egos of the opposing fans and players because someone has the gall to emit emotion after scoring on them? These are kids! Kids who have spent all week getting pumped up beyond control about kicking ass. Then they do and we're supposed to be shocked because they mob the guy who scores? It's a freaking joke. Gonna be hard to enforce the new taunting rule without a national NCAA uniform definition of what exactly draws a flag for so called taunting. Crazy rules like this one in some way remind me of my days of watching my kids play T-Ball where keeping score was frown upon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Cid Posted April 21, 2010 Share Posted April 21, 2010 I don't like taunting but the NCAA has been ridiculous at times. Last year ND ran in a late go ahead TD on the road. The RB put his finger to his mouth as if to shush the crowd. He got flagged for taunting. Simple things like that must be let go. This is where I personally draw the line. Playing to the crowd or the other team should be flagged. That's not emotional outburst, that's calculated display and is exactly what the NCAA is trying to stop. Now, I will say again, that I think taking a TD away is ridiculous. If the NCAA is really serious about stopping this, they should just fine the coach or the school. Let the kids play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmypg Posted April 21, 2010 Share Posted April 21, 2010 This is where I personally draw the line. Playing to the crowd or the other team should be flagged. That's not emotional outburst, that's calculated display and is exactly what the NCAA is trying to stop. Now, I will say again, that I think taking a TD away is ridiculous. If the NCAA is really serious about stopping this, they should just fine the coach or the school. Let the kids play. They're kids who watch the NFL superstars do it all the time. Unless you say something directed at a player or throw the ball at them you shouldn't get flagged. Little things like shushing a crowd should be ignored. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Cid Posted April 21, 2010 Share Posted April 21, 2010 They're kids who watch the NFL superstars do it all the time. Unless you say something directed at a player or throw the ball at them you shouldn't get flagged. Little things like shushing a crowd should be ignored. So you want your kid to act like an ass because he saw TO do it? That's not exceptionally sound logic there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmypg Posted April 22, 2010 Share Posted April 22, 2010 So you want your kid to act like an ass because he saw TO do it? That's not exceptionally sound logic there. No, but I don't think showing emotion makes you an ass. I'm not saying pull a Sharpie or dance but excitement is natural. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Cid Posted April 22, 2010 Share Posted April 22, 2010 No, but I don't think showing emotion makes you an ass. I'm not saying pull a Sharpie or dance but excitement is natural. Throwing your hand in the air, jumping up and down shouting "Yippee!" is showing emotion. Shushing the crowd is a calculated act; it is not an unscripted emotional outburst. If the NCAA has to draw a line, that is where I think it should be drawn. It makes for a logically consistent rule that can be applied evenly across all conferences. Plus it has the added benefit or removing asstardery from the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cameltosis Posted April 22, 2010 Share Posted April 22, 2010 Throwing your hand in the air, jumping up and down shouting "Yippee!" is showing emotion. Shushing the crowd is a calculated act; it is not an unscripted emotional outburst. If the NCAA has to draw a line, that is where I think it should be drawn. It makes for a logically consistent rule that can be applied evenly across all conferences. Plus it has the added benefit or removing asstardery from the game. if this is the case then waiving your arms upward to encourage the crowd to be louder is taunting as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Cid Posted April 23, 2010 Share Posted April 23, 2010 if this is the case then waiving your arms upward to encourage the crowd to be louder is taunting as well. OK. I thought that's what cheerleaders were for anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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