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Just had a trade in our league of Hakeem Nicks going from Team A to Team B, also involving other players and draft picks in our keeper league. As commish, I don't believe in evaluating or vetoing trades, unless there's evidence of something underhanded going on. What raised a red flag for me was that Nicks was traded from Team B to Team A just two weeks ago. Different players were involved in that trade. Should also mention this league is well-established and I know and trust both owners well.

 

Now, I don't think it's my place as commish to evaluate rationale behind why a team trades players.... That would involve evaluating teams strengths and weaknesses and applying my own judgement. Absolutely not my place, so I'm not going to ask them why they felt a need to do it.

 

Key is that not all owners know each other as well, and I'm concerned an unbiased third party would question the transaction.

 

Looking for some input from various league rules... Our constitution does not currently address the topic of two teams swapping the same player in a span of a few weeks or over the course of a regular season, so I did approve the trade.

 

Do your leagues address this occurrence? How do you spell it out in your league rules? Obviously too late for this year, but I would like to bring come clarity around this for next season.

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My league has a rule specifically against this. Players cannot be traded back to the team who dealt them, and they cannot be reacquired again by the team that dealt them if they are dropped by another team. For the current season.

 

That said, I'm transitioning my league to a 'no trade' league next year. Long story, but I've grown weary of every trade being challenged and biatched about. There are, on average, only one or two trades per year in the league I run, but for whatever reason, it's always a shiatstorm.

 

Edited to add: The problem this year was that two owners, who are in another league together, colluded to make lopsided deals in each league.

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Collusion by ways of tradebacks. Put in a rule saying that you may not reacquire a player for at least 4 weeks after trading him away.

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Collusion by ways of tradebacks. Put in a rule saying that you may not reacquire a player for at least 4 weeks after trading him away.

 

 

I traded Gates away before week 1 and that owner offered him back last week just hours before Gates' injury was known and I accepted...

 

trades help make Fantasy Football fun and I wouldn't exclude them, but there should be a minor rule in place for trade backs and that being 4 weeks or more...that sounds about right..

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Not sure I understand the problem, so long as they're arm's-length deals. If they swapped the exact same players, then we're dealing with player "lending", which isn't cool (but is also defensible because anyone engaging in it is taking a risk). Otherwise, I have no issue with a team re-acquiring a player that they traded away - particularly if the re-acquiring team is giving up more/less than he originally got for the player in question. Markets change and so do the value of players; buyer's/seller's remorse, etc. - plenty of ways to justify something like this.

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If the player moving back and forth were the only player being moved, I would be more inclined to have an issue with it, but probably still wouldn't. But if there were more players involved each time, and they were not all the same players, I don't see an issue.

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I don't see an issue with a player being moved around because week to week situations change. If there is no collusion then there is no problem.

 

for example, what if I need a RB and give Colston and receive Benson. 2 weeks later, I struck gold on the WW and got a decent RB (blount) and my WR gets hurt. I then trade Matt Ryan to get Colston back. What is the problem here? As long as it isn't in bad spirits.

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I think you have to treat it on a case by case basis. Situations change weekly, even daily. I traded away Fred Jackson, minor deal. Two weeks later I acquired some depth at WR and had a RB injury. So I offered my new FA WR for Fred JAckson. Ended up taking another deal but it shouldn't be automatically assumed sketchy.

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We have a two week rule that the player cannot be traded until after 2 weeks. Waiver pick ups one week. I don't see a problem here because things change so often in the fantasy and real life landscape.

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We don't allow trades back of any player between 2 teams. Once you trade him to 1 team, that team may not trade the same player back that season.

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Don't know if I'm going to articulate this correctly...

 

Were the trades predicated on solely the value of the players or did the trades enable the team(s) to get around bye weeks by manipulating available roster spots? For example, lets say Nicks was traded to team B, before his bye week, and team B had extreme depth at WR. Team A received players needed during bye week(s). Nicks then traded back to A.

 

In other words, did either or both teams just find a parking place or create an additional roster spot with the understanding that they'd be getting the player back, 2 wks down the road?

 

Even so, would that violate the spirit of good team management? I think that might taint the arms-length characteristic of the return trade.

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It has to be considered collusion (by definition) if there is a built in agreement to reverse the trade the following week or even 2 or three weeks later. Seems shady to me.

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Why are trades still going on? Our league, trade deadline was week 6. I never understood week 10 deadline. A guy 1-9

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I agree, I think that there should be a 4 scoring period time lapse between when a trade is accepted to be able to trade a player back to the original owner.

 

But, what happens in this scenario. Lets say Nicks is traded from team A to Team B. Team B trying to improve their team, trades Nicks to team C. Does team A have to wait until four weeks elapse to require Nicks from team C? Or would that circumvent your rule.

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We don't allow trades back of any player between 2 teams. Once you trade him to 1 team, that team may not trade the same player back that season.

 

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My question is who is trading Nicks and are they "crazy"? Anywho....trades are meant to bring strategy, fun and thoroughness to coaching a fantasy team...I say let'em deal and if you feel there's too much static about it..change the rules before drafting next year.

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We have a two week rule that the player cannot be traded until after 2 weeks. Waiver pick ups one week. I don't see a problem here because things change so often in the fantasy and real life landscape.

 

I personally don't like either of these rules. This prevents u from aquiring a player in hopes of making a deal with another team the same week...

 

For instance I trade for Nicks with Team A and trade Nicks and someone else for people that I want from Team B the same week.

 

The same thing for WW pickups. I picked someone up off the WW and it suddenly sweetens a deal cause everyone is talking about so and so why shouldn't I be able to trade him the week I picked him up???

 

I personally rather have a basic "no tradebacks" rule then limit the prospect of not being able to wheel and deal. That is half the fun of FF.

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I personally don't like either of these rules. This prevents u from aquiring a player in hopes of making a deal with another team the same week...

 

For instance I trade for Nicks with Team A and trade Nicks and someone else for people that I want from Team B the same week.

 

The same thing for WW pickups. I picked someone up off the WW and it suddenly sweetens a deal cause everyone is talking about so and so why shouldn't I be able to trade him the week I picked him up???

 

I personally rather have a basic "no tradebacks" rule then limit the prospect of not being able to wheel and deal. That is half the fun of FF.

 

The league I'm in adopted these rules mainly because of me. I would see teams strengths and needs and basically do trades involving three teams. The league got tired of me winning all the time and changed rules to make it harder to trade. They actually call me "Satan" in this league in my sig because they think I made a deal with the devil. The newest rule change they did was after the third year and we redraft players instead of drawing numbers, they go by last years standings even though its a total redraft. They did this because when we redrafted two years back I had finished first the previous year and wound up with the no 1 pick and took AP. I guess they expect me to win this year again.

Edited by Youre Going Down

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I guess I have a different take. As a commish for 15 years I cannot see how you could restrict owners in this way. With all the INJURIES that occur on a weekly basis I can't see how you deny an owner the right to trade for a player that may help him just because he traded him the week before. My example..... I lost Romo, I had traded away Flacco the week before, I then went out and got Flacco back. Why should anyone not be able to do this? Each individual trade needs to be able to stand on its own. It really doesn't matter who the players are, good fantasy owners know what a good trade is. In this case you state they are regular long time players so I would give them the benefit of the doubt. You have to let Owners manage their team and in our league all trades will initially go through without a vote but can be reversed if 7 of 12 owners call for a vote. I stress that collusion is the only reason to veto a trade and In 15 years we have had only one vote and one trade reversed and it was because of collusion. I haven't liked or agreed with every trade but I really can't recall any one trade that guaranteed a league championship for anyone, it always seems to work itself out. We are lucky that we have good solid owners and don't have these problems. Of course if collusion is proven, reverse the trade and then those owners should be expelled from the league at the end of the year.

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Collusion by ways of tradebacks. Put in a rule saying that you may not reacquire a player for at least 4 weeks after trading him away.

Yep, I've always put the 1 month rule in any leagues I have run. This also includes trades that are vetoed (for collusion purposes of course). If a trade is vetoed, no player in that trade can be traded for any other player in the same trade for one month. If you put in the 1-month rule for accepted trades, this will deter owners from accepting bye-week handshake deals, knowing they'll get the player back in a few weeks. Trade-backs look awfully suspicious. I'd just rather not deal with them.

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Also trades can be done to assure loss of team B opponent. To help team A make the playoffs or gain divisional lead. Or it was a loaner trade to team B and team B gave more back to team A when he was done with the player. Did team A receive back what might seem like profit compared to the first trade?

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