My Top 20

[theprofessor]

1. Oregon

2. Auburn

3. TCU

4. Stanford

5. LSU

6. Wisconsin

7. Ohio State

8. Oklahoma State

9. Boise State

10. Arkansas

11. Nebraska

12. Michigan State

13. Missouri

14. Virginia Tech

15. Nevada

16. Texas A&M

17. Alabama

18. Oklahoma

19. South Carolina

20. Florida State

[Rockerbraves]

1. Oregon

2. Auburn

3. TCU

4. Stanford

5. LSU

6. Wisconsin

7. Ohio State

8. Oklahoma State

9. Boise State

10. Arkansas

11. Nebraska

12. Michigan State

13. Missouri

14. Virginia Tech

15. Nevada

16. Texas A&M

17. Alabama

18. Oklahoma

19. South Carolina

20. Florida State

Honest question. If LSU beats Arkansas do they move up in your ranking and Arkansas drop? And what happens in your ranking should the Hogs win and the Tigers lose?

[theprofessor]

OK, I'll play.

 

There are a lot of factors that would come into play with today's games not being played yet.

 

If LSU beats Arkansas and Stanford has a close game with Oregon State today but beats them I would put LSU above Stanford into the #4 spot. This would be based on the fact that beating Arkansas on their field would be a much better quality win then Stanford beating Oregon State at home.

 

If LSU loses I would have to drop them somewhere around 8-11 (probably #9), but again it matters what the teams behind them do today.

 

How about we get to the implication of your question ....." Why do you rank Stanford above LSU?" I would agree that LSU has faced the tougher schedule. They have both lost one game. Stanford to Oregon in a game that was hotly contested until about 5 minutes left in the 3rd quarter on the road and LSU on the road to Auburn in a close game. Stanford's margin of victory is 25 points. LSU's = 14 points. Lsu has only played 4 games away from home while Stanford has played 6 games away from home.

 

Stanfords out of conference games: Sacramento State, Wake Forest and Notre Dame (away). Margin of victory - 34 points

LSU O.O.C. = North Carolina (neutral field, half of NC starters were suspended), West Virginia, McNeese St, Louisiana Monroe. MOV = 20 points

 

You know as well as I do that LSU has struggled to win many close games and they had a lot of things go their way at the end of games to pull out close games. Need to look no further than the Tennessee game, or the Florida game ... the overhead pitch on the FG attempt late in the game to the FG kicker that bounced straight up off the ground to his waiting arms. The LSU defense is very good as is the Stanford defense. There is one major difference between these two teamsand that is at the QB position. Andrew Luck is head and shoulders above any of the LSU QB's the Tigers roll out there. I would also say, with confidence, that I'd rather have Harbaugh on the sidelines than Les Miles, who multiple times has shown to be unprepared at crucial times with time management. On a neutral field Stanford beats LSU.

[Rockerbraves]

 

How about we get to the implication of your question ....." Why do you rank Stanford above LSU?" I would agree that LSU has faced the tougher schedule. They have both lost one game. Stanford to Oregon in a game that was hotly contested until about 5 minutes left in the 3rd quarter on the road and LSU on the road to Auburn in a close game. Stanford's margin of victory is 25 points. LSU's = 14 points. Lsu has only played 4 games away from home while Stanford has played 6 games away from home.

Don't brush off Stanford's lost so easily. 52-31 is pretty convincing while LSU only lost was by a TD. That is significant.

[GWPFFL BrianW]

I have LSU ahead of Stanford, but it's apples to apples. Both teams have their strengths, both are flawed. That would be a fun bowl game to be quite honest.

[wildcat2334]

Don't brush off Stanford's lost so easily. 52-31 is pretty convincing while LSU only lost was by a TD. That is significant.

 

 

just can't get the Tenn game out of my head. Real convincing how not elite LSU is

 

Bring on an LSU Stanford bowl game - that would be fun

[wildcat2334]

1. Oregon

2. Auburn

3. TCU

4. Stanford

5. LSU

6. Wisconsin

7. Ohio State

8. Oklahoma State

9. Boise State

10. Arkansas

11. Nebraska

12. Michigan State

13. Missouri

14. Virginia Tech

15. Nevada

16. Texas A&M

17. Alabama

18. Oklahoma

19. South Carolina

20. Florida State

 

 

nice work - on the mark and I don't really have a problem anywhere

[detlef]

nice work - on the mark and I don't really have a problem anywhere

Agreed. I don't happen to think FSU is top 20 but that is a minor, minor quibble.

[Rockerbraves]

OK, I'll play.

 

There are a lot of factors that would come into play with today's games not being played yet.

 

If LSU beats Arkansas and Stanford has a close game with Oregon State today but beats them I would put LSU above Stanford into the #4 spot. This would be based on the fact that beating Arkansas on their field would be a much better quality win then Stanford beating Oregon State at home.

 

If LSU loses I would have to drop them somewhere around 8-11 (probably #9), but again it matters what the teams behind them do today.

You play pretty well

 

Today's BCS Standings

 

1 Auburn 12-0

2 Oregon 11-0

3 TCU 12-0

4 Stanford 11-1

5 Wisconsin 11-1

6 Ohio State 11-1

7 Arkansas 10-2

8 Michigan State 11-1

9 Oklahoma 10-2

10 LSU 10-2

[detlef]

Agreed. I don't happen to think FSU is top 20 but that is a minor, minor quibble.

OK, I even take that back.

[SEC=UGA]

OK, I even take that back.

 

Don't, Florida is just that bad this year, as is the balance of the SEC.

 

This is a conference that is going to get hammered in the bowl games, hammered.

Edited November 29, 2010 by SEC=UGA

[detlef]

Don't, Florida is just that bad this year, as is the balance of the SEC.

 

This is a conference that is going to get hammered in the bowl games, hammered.

Well, nobody is any better and FSU did beat them handily. At least enough to legitimize a top 20 ranking.

 

Sad but true that the SEC's OOC victories vs WVU and A&M place them above everyone else in terms of conferences proving themselves against the rest.

[Living the Dream]

My top 20

 

1. Auburn

2. Oregon

3. Wisconsin

4. TCU

5. Ohio State

6. Stanford

7. Michigan State

8. Arkansas

9. Oklahoma

10. LSU

11. Nebraska

12. Missouri

13. Oklahoma State

14. Alabama

15. Boise State

16. South Carolina

17. Texas A&M

18. Florida State

19. Nevada

20. Utah

[SouthtownWarriors]

My Top 20:

 

1. Ohio State

2. Ohio State

3. Ohio State

4. Ohio State

5. Ohio State

6. Ohio State

7. Ohio State

8. Ohio State

9. Ohio State

10. Ohio State

11. Ohio State

12. Ohio State

13. Ohio State

14. Ohio State

15. Ohio State

16. Ohio State

17. Ohio State

18. Ohio State

19. Ohio State

20. Ohio State

[GWPFFL BrianW]

1. Auburn

2. Oregon

3. Wisconsin

4. Ohio State

5. Stanford

6. Arkansas

7. Michigan State

8. LSU

9. Oklahoma

10. Nebraska

11. TCU

12. Boise State

13. Alabama

14. Oklahoma State

15. Nevada

16. South Carolina

17. Florida State

18. Texas A & M

19. Missouri

20. Mississippi State

[detlef]

1. Auburn

2. Oregon

3. TCU

4. Stanford

5. Wisconsin

6. OSU

7. Arkansas

8. Boise St

9. Michigan St

10. Oklahoma

11. LSU

12. Nevada

13. Nebraska

14. Okie St

15. South Carolina

16. Bama

17. Va Tech

18. Missouri

19. A&M

20. FSU

 

That's tougher than you'd think. Especially by the time you get to the mid teens. The local guy here has an AP vote and puts teams in front of teams they beat, to a fault. But that's easier said than done. I think you'd have to do it if you were talking about two teams at the absolute top. But I think it's OK to ignore that as you move down a bit. For instance, I can't put MSU ahead of Wisc nor Nevada ahead of BSU.

[theprofessor]

As I stated in my opener, this was My Top 20 prior to this weekends games but after just watching the taped Auburn-Alabama game for the first time I think that I would have to place Auburn ahead of Oregon. Their interior lines are impressive and I think Oregon might struggle with them. I think the difference if these 2 teams face off is if Oregon can wear Auburn's defense down with sustained drives. I don't believe anyone, including Auburn, can play at Oregon's pace. If Oregon can consistently move the chains Auburn will be gassed in the latter stages of the game. It would be a great game and I'm hoping we see it.

[wildcat2334]

My Top 10

 

Oregon

Auburn

Stanford

Wisky

TCU

Ohio St.

Ark

Boise St.

OKL

LSU

[Rockerbraves]

Wow! Look at the Colley Matrix Top 20

 

1. AUBURN 0.986102 12-0 0.567118: 32 5 5 W: #9 ARKANSAS

2. OREGON 0.923751 11-0 0.500797: 70 1 4 W: #5 STANFORD

3. TCU 0.909069 12-0 0.477247: 82 1 4 W: #19 UTAH

4. OKLAHOMA 0.901385 10-2 0.634949: 2 2 5 W: #13 OKLAHOMA ST

5. STANFORD 0.885461 11-1 0.533037: 56 1 4 W: #24 NOTRE DAME

6. MICHIGAN ST 0.878039 11-1 0.524379: 60 2 5 W: #12 WISCONSIN

7. MISSOURI 0.875478 10-2 0.604725: 11 2 5 W: #4 OKLAHOMA

8. OHIO STATE 0.874411 11-1 0.520146: 62 0 5 W: #35 MICHIGAN

9. ARKANSAS 0.865797 10-2 0.593429: 15 4 4 W: #10 LSU

10. LSU 0.859975 10-2 0.586638: 23 3 5 W: #17 ALABAMA

11. BOISE ST 0.850873 10-1 0.505577: 67 2 4 W: #20 VA TECH

12. WISCONSIN 0.848974 11-1 0.490470: 74 1 3 W: #8 OHIO STATE

13. OKLAHOMA ST 0.847881 10-2 0.572528: 28 1 5 W: #14 TEXAS A&M

14. TEXAS A&M 0.818906 9-3 0.622057: 6 2 4 W: #4 OKLAHOMA

15. NEBRASKA 0.816481 10-2 0.535895: 53 2 4 W: #7 MISSOURI

16. NEVADA 0.794313 11-1 0.426699: 103 1 2 W: #11 BOISE ST

17. ALABAMA 0.791024 9-3 0.589528: 19 2 4 W: #9 ARKANSAS

18. S CAROLINA 0.775307 9-3 0.571191: 29 1 3 W: #17 ALABAMA

19. UTAH 0.773344 10-2 0.485568: 78 0 2 W: #28 AIR FORCE

20. VA TECH 0.763088 10-2 0.473602: 83 0 4 W: #27 NC STATE

[Akfatha]

1. Auburn

2. Oregon

3. TCU

4. Stanford

5. Wisconsin

6. OSU

7. Arkansas

8. Boise St

9. Michigan St

10. Oklahoma

11. LSU

12. Nevada

13. Nebraska

14. Okie St

15. South Carolina

16. Bama

17. Va Tech

18. Missouri

19. A&M

20. FSU

 

That's tougher than you'd think. Especially by the time you get to the mid teens. The local guy here has an AP vote and puts teams in front of teams they beat, to a fault. But that's easier said than done. I think you'd have to do it if you were talking about two teams at the absolute top. But I think it's OK to ignore that as you move down a bit. For instance, I can't put MSU ahead of Wisc nor Nevada ahead of BSU.

 

that seems hard to do

 

texas a&m > oklahoma/nebraska

 

oklahoma state > texas a&m

 

oklahoma state < nebraska/oklahoma

 

texas > nebraska

 

ou/osu > texas

 

missouri > oklahoma

 

nebraska > missouri

 

i dont quite see how he could manage to do that and keep it in line all season...