Jackass Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 Couldn't it be that maybe IND is still negotiating in an attempt to keep Manning at a more reasonable price or with some kind of insurance clauses? As to AZ signing Manning - c'mon guys, does anyone seriously think one team is going to commit that much cap space to one position knowing it can only field one of the guys at a time? The other option is trading Kolb - unlikely there will be any takers given his sizable contract that his performance hasn't come close to matching - or cutting Kolb and absorbing an $18M cap hit while getting nothing in return. Thinking Manning is going to AZ is pure fantasy. Didn't manning say he's not negotiating his contract. I think he's definitely gone from Indy and may retire. Time will tell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Czarina Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 If Eli pulls out this SB against the Pats, he's going to have serious family bragging rights forever if Peyton retires. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skippy Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Couldn't it be that maybe IND is still negotiating in an attempt to keep Manning at a more reasonable price or with some kind of insurance clauses?Sure that could be the case and if so I would have zero problem with it at all. I don't think Manning would either. I mean he might not be willing but I don't think these BS articles full of absolute speculation would be hitting the news either. All I am saying is that to me Manning has earned being talked to in a very sincere and upfront way even if it is not what he wants to hear. Irsay also deserves that from Manning as well as the two have had a beautiful marriage if you ask me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonedaddies Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Couldn't it be that maybe IND is still negotiating in an attempt to keep Manning at a more reasonable price or with some kind of insurance clauses? As to AZ signing Manning - c'mon guys, does anyone seriously think one team is going to commit that much cap space to one position knowing it can only field one of the guys at a time? The other option is trading Kolb - unlikely there will be any takers given his sizable contract that his performance hasn't come close to matching - or cutting Kolb and absorbing an $18M cap hit while getting nothing in return. Thinking Manning is going to AZ is pure fantasy. I thought AZ had an out with Kolb that would free up most, but not all of his 63M? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 I am 100 percent opposed to your line of thinking. Yes, yes, we know. Working people should be glad the wealthy don't have them shot for being late to work, blah blah..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cunning Runt Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Yes, yes, we know. Working people should be glad the wealthy don't have them shot for being late to work, blah blah..... "Shot" is a bit extreme, but yes, I'm in the owners corner on almost every labor related issue. You mean you're not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 "Shot" is a bit extreme, but yes, I'm in the owners corner on almost every labor related issue. You mean you're not? I kinda take them one by one trying to judge each on it's merits taking as much into account as possible so long as it's relevant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrab Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Obviously a typo. My point still stands. People speculating where he'll end up in my opinion are being waaaay premature. First I think it needs to be determined IF he'll play again. Where's the fun in that? does he play again or not is a simple Yes/No question. And one to which none of us have the proper information to know what the decision will be. However with discussing what team he could sign with there are many possibilities there, and therefore much more opportunity for discussion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeeR Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 However with discussing what team he could sign with there are many possibilities there, Realistically not. If you look at the list of teams, very few might be willing/able to pay the price. In fact NY is the only viable one I see right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cunning Runt Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Where's the fun in that? does he play again or not is a simple Yes/No question. And one to which none of us have the proper information to know what the decision will be. However with discussing what team he could sign with there are many possibilities there, and therefore much more opportunity for discussion. Well far be it from me to be a party pooper. By all means, speculate away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cunning Runt Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 I kinda take them one by one trying to judge each on it's merits taking as much into account as possible so long as it's relevant. To each their own. I'm pretty much pro management/ownership across the board. I cannot think of an occasion regarding a labor issue in pro sports where I've sided with the players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHook Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 What scares me is Archie was asked in an interview a couple weeks ago if Peyton would play in 2012. He said he didn't know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriots Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 To each their own. I'm pretty much pro management/ownership across the board. I cannot think of an occasion regarding a labor issue in pro sports where I've sided with the players. How are the fans going to take this? Look at the product on the field this year without Manning. What does the next 4 or 5 years look like? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whiskey Pimp Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 What scares me is Archie was asked in an interview a couple weeks ago if Peyton would play in 2012. He said he didn't know. Archie doesn't know and Rob Lowe said he's retiring. I think Peyton's time is done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cunning Runt Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 How are the fans going to take this? Look at the product on the field this year without Manning. What does the next 4 or 5 years look like? I think we had a bad year and the fans aren't idiots. We've all seen that all the eggs were in one basket and that was fine so long as the basket was fine. Colts' fans understand its time to move on. I haven't spoken to a single person who thinks the Colts are proceeding incorrectly. We've got the #1 overall pick, a new coach, and new coordinators. After last year, I believe the fans are accepting of the fact that Peyton is almost certainly done and are excited to be going in a new direction. I think the future is actually quite bright. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furd Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 How are the fans going to take this? Look at the product on the field this year without Manning. What does the next 4 or 5 years look like? How are they going to take finding out that Manning can't play anymore after paying him $28M? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunday Couch Potatoe Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 I think we had a bad year and the fans aren't idiots. We've all seen that all the eggs were in one basket and that was fine so long as the basket was fine. Colts' fans understand its time to move on. I haven't spoken to a single person who thinks the Colts are proceeding incorrectly. We've got the #1 overall pick, a new coach, and new coordinators. After last year, I believe the fans are accepting of the fact that Peyton is almost certainly done and are excited to be going in a new direction. I think the future is actually quite bright. While I don't disagree with you about the future it will still be a long road ahead but change can be a good thing. It's just that so many pieces will have to be upgraded in this organization for it to contend again and if Luck does not live up to his next big thing tag it could be a VERY long road ahead. It's the old saying you never know what you had till it's gone. Peyton will be missed for a long long while...and not just for Indy if he retires the NFL is losing it's star pupil that was nothing less than a class act that put fans with money in a lot of seats around the league. Just my Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 I hope he gets into coaching. He'd be an awesome QB coach but I dunno about higher positions. The NFL is littered with great players who sucked as coaches. I think he's a shoo in for a studio job, probably pre-game or maybe Football Night in America. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Like Soup Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 A tight spot for Indy indeed. Go with their aging injured star (turns 36 in March) who put up 4700 yards, 33 TDs and a 91.9 rating in 2010 before he missed the 2011 season and his significant cap hit, or go with an untested QB in the draft (because we all know how well they work out). I'd say either way they draft Luck so they can set themselves up for the future. Other sports stars have renegotiated their contracts to enable cap space to allow signing other players, so maybe Manning would do this. I think it highly unlikely they take the $28M hit, but I'd try to work it out that he stay with the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Square Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 He'd be an awesome QB coach but I dunno about higher positions. The NFL is littered with great players who sucked as coaches. I think he could be an OC. It's all just a guess but from the little bit I know I could see him running the same offense he played for all those years. I think he's a shoo in for a studio job, probably pre-game or maybe Football Night in America. Definitely. The dude has been a face of this league for a lot of years (and deservingly so). I'd definitely take him over many of the other ex-player analyst types that currently do most of the talking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeeR Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 I'd definitely take him over many of the other ex-player analyst types that currently do most of the talking. Like that's saying much. Kinda like "I'd rather eat some actual food instead of one of those bags of poo." I understand the Colts may have to move on and all but as promising as Luck is he's still totally unproven and the alleged genius Polian left this team with a TON of holes. w/o Manning those annual playoff spots many Colt fans took for granted are going to be a lot harder to come by IMO. Hopefully Grigson pans out and gives Luck enough support so he wouldn't have to carry the team the way Manning did for so many years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackass Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 A tight spot for Indy indeed. Go with their aging injured star (turns 36 in March) who put up 4700 yards, 33 TDs and a 91.9 rating in 2010 before he missed the 2011 season and his significant cap hit, or go with an untested QB in the draft (because we all know how well they work out). I'd say either way they draft Luck so they can set themselves up for the future. Other sports stars have renegotiated their contracts to enable cap space to allow signing other players, so maybe Manning would do this. I think it highly unlikely they take the $28M hit, but I'd try to work it out that he stay with the team. For the sake of argument, let's assume he's healthy. Why would he want to stay? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 I thought AZ had an out with Kolb that would free up most, but not all of his 63M? The signing bonus would still accelerate against the 2012 cap - all $18M remaining. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHook Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 People close to Indianapolis Colts quarterback Peyton Manning don’t believe he’ll resume his career, according to Yahoo Sports reporter Jason Cole in a post late Monday. "The nerves in Manning’s arm are not healing as quickly as hoped and, worse, don’t appear to be progressing at enough of a rate to indicate that he will play again, according to two sources with knowledge of Manning’s rehabilitation from neck surgery," the Yahoo report said. "The vertebrae in his neck that were fused have healed as expected and Manning began throwing in December. But he hasn’t shown improvement in velocity on his passes, and the two sources fear he likely never will again." Manning did not play in the 2011 season to recover from neck surgery last summer. The report said Manning couldn’t be reached for comment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadDawg Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 Manning probably can influence a fair amount of his football playing future ............... but he can't dictate his health. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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