MidwayMountaineer Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 So the bottom dweller in my league has traded Andre Johnson and rg3 for fitz, d Moore, manningham, and keenum (the guy receiving griffin and Johnson is making a playoff push)...the commish keeps asking me about it and he's vetoing it....I see it as a horrible trade, giving up two studs for some mediocre receivers (maybe one starter in Moore) and a rookie qb that is bound to start throwing picks..any input cause the two guys involved are livid over the trade being vetoed... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piranha-z Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 (edited) Anytime you have a guy at the bottom making any trades at all is odd IMO, but one thing you posted about Keenum about to start throwing pics at any time is absurd. You can't "predict" what a player is gonna do. Without actually knowing what players they have and what void they fill, I cannot truly answer if it is collusion or not. Is he filling the void at WR by getting rid of AJ and rolling the dice with Fitz and Moore? Edited November 13, 2013 by Piranha-z Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wveltheim Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 sounds a bit fishy... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tony2345 Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 Seems a little fishy to me, but would need to know more. In my legaue, once you're eliminated from the playoffs, you're no longer allowed to make trades. That trade is not completely lopsided, but if you think the 2 are in collusion, then it should be. Maybe there is a reason the guy is a bottom dweller, because he doesn’t know what he is doing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MidwayMountaineer Posted November 13, 2013 Author Share Posted November 13, 2013 I was just saying that keenum is playing at an absurd level for an undrafted rookie being thrown into the starting role but ur right can't predict what he will do..I was just saying I'm not sold on him and hard to think that he will keep up that kind of production rest of the season...but I'm just saying a guy in last trading 2 solid established fantasy players for two boom or bust receivers and a rookie qb seems fishy to me too just wanted some input from u guys.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piranha-z Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 I was just saying that keenum is playing at an absurd level for an undrafted rookie being thrown into the starting role but ur right can't predict what he will do..I was just saying I'm not sold on him and hard to think that he will keep up that kind of production rest of the season...but I'm just saying a guy in last trading 2 solid established fantasy players for two boom or bust receivers and a rookie qb seems fishy to me too just wanted some input from u guys.. Â Â Understood. Who does he have for a QB besides RG3??? I'm just trying to make sense of this, if that's possible. What's his lineup? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sausagekingchi Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 In the league I play in the team to finish last pays a penalty and has to order food for the following season's draft night (usually around $100 worth of food). We did this to ensure no one gives up on the season and that everyone tries to compete the entire season. I agree with what one of the other posters said, you can't predict what a player will do in the future, especially one like Keenum who has such a small track record. Your opinion might be that he will falter making this an unfair trade, but that is all it is, an opinion. Going strictly off the numbers this is not an unfair trade and vetoing it seems bush league to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MidwayMountaineer Posted November 13, 2013 Author Share Posted November 13, 2013 Ok here's the lineups team a (bottom dweller) Qb-rg3, rivers, chad henne Rb-ch. Johnson, mike James (ir), green-Ellis, magahee Wr-Andre Johnson, hartline, boldin, Wallace, mccluster Te-Bennett  Team B Qb-Brady, big Ben, flacco, keenum Rb- AP, Ivory, Vereen, Murray Wr-Nelson, Fitz, Moore, T Williams, Shorts, Manningham Te-Wright  2 qb league, ppr format (1 point per 5 reception) 6 point td, 1 point per 10 receiving yards, 100 yard and 200 yard receiving game bonuses Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiefswarpath Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 Not a fan of the veto, unless its something so obvious like a Brees for Cassel trade. I have seen worse trades made and I just thought the guy was a moron. I usually offer trades in my league to people I thing will make a stupid trades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Def. Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 No mention of if its a keeper league or not either. Trades favoring one side a little, but also offers more depth to the other side. Unless there is evidence of collusion, it should be processed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piranha-z Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 I still wouldn't veto it after looking at rosters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MidwayMountaineer Posted November 13, 2013 Author Share Posted November 13, 2013 Sorry yeah its a keeper not decided if its gonna be 1 or 2 yet..first year of the league Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punkis4lf Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 Wow, that is such a one sided trade....RG3>Keenum, Johnson>Fitz, Moore, AND Manningham.......honestly, when are any one of those WRs going to put up more than, say, 15 points? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkyard Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 If you don't have tangible proof of collusion (and that's tough to find), the trade has to stand. Nobody can predict the future player performance... Both Andre Johnson and RGIII have had major injuries the last couple seasons that could come back at any time. Also, no mention of any weekly prizes that might justify trade activity from the bottom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sausagekingchi Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 Wow, that is such a one sided trade....RG3>Keenum, Johnson>Fitz, Moore, AND Manningham.......honestly, when are any one of those WRs going to put up more than, say, 15 points? Â To be fair, take away Andre Johnson's monster game and his number's aren't that much different then Fitz. In a bonus league like this one Fitz would be in double figures 4 times, the same amount as Johnson. Now obviously you can't take away Johnson's huge game, but there is no way you can expect another game like that this year either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MidwayMountaineer Posted November 13, 2013 Author Share Posted November 13, 2013 Well the way I look at keenum is a gun slinger and is launching the ball downfield and the majority of that leather slinging is going Johnson's way...keenum knows what his bread and butter is and that makes Johnson's value skyrocket..he has boom potential every game...palmer blows, so fitz numbers are down which they have been all year...no weekly bonus or anything just a $50 buy in winner takes all other than 50 which goes to the 2nd place finish to cover his buy in..also its 10 team league I don't think I mentioned that either.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tony2345 Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 regardless of everyones opinions above, if you dont know they were colluding, there shoudl not be a veto. and if you think they were colluding, but not sure, maybe time to look for another league Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sausagekingchi Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 Well the way I look at keenum is a gun slinger and is launching the ball downfield and the majority of that leather slinging is going Johnson's way...keenum knows what his bread and butter is and that makes Johnson's value skyrocket..he has boom potential every game...palmer blows, so fitz numbers are down which they have been all year...no weekly bonus or anything just a $50 buy in winner takes all other than 50 which goes to the 2nd place finish to cover his buy in..also its 10 team league I don't think I mentioned that either.. Â You are again though focusing on what you expect to happen going forward with Johnson. While I tend to agree with you that Johnson has the much bigger upside, you can't say for certain it will happen. In my league Johnson had 51 points that one week. If I added up Johnson's next three biggest weeks they would total 50 points. So the chances of him going off like that again are slim, regardless of what Case Keenum wants to do. Johnson is a good WR, but he's not Calvin Johnson who can get triple teamed and still make the plays. If teams realize that Keenum can only throw to Johnson they will take that away from him and Johnson is not good enough to overcome that at this point in his career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MidwayMountaineer Posted November 13, 2013 Author Share Posted November 13, 2013 I need to quit assuming...lol ill tell the commish he needs to let it slide I don't agree but the two owners do so out of my control, but the keenum owner has been the "ridiculous trade guy" all season...lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sausagekingchi Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 I need to quit assuming...lol ill tell the commish he needs to let it slide I don't agree but the two owners do so out of my control, but the keenum owner has been the "ridiculous trade guy" all season...lol  Haha, we got one fo those guys in our league. He thinks he's Monthy Python or something. We used to call our league the "no trade league" because we would only get like 3-4 trades per season (league has been around for over 15 years). The Monty Python guy joins the league this year and we've had over 20 trades this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbinator Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 No way on the veto. Although I wouldn't do the trade myself, I can see the logic of getting fitz and Moore since all of his WR's are weak after AJ. As far as Keenum or RG3, who knows who comes out on top of that one. But you can't deny someone the chance to take a chance on a guy like Keenum. What happens if the trade is vetoed and it turns out the team who wanted Keenum would've won more games with him than with RG3? Everyone has different opinions and the fact is nobody knows what will happen every week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MidwayMountaineer Posted November 14, 2013 Author Share Posted November 14, 2013 True true...fitz has been huge in the past, and still has big game potential and Moore has been a boom bust receiver this year and keenum has proven he can produce with a favorable ros... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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