Bedo Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 I am seeing all of the black Monday fall out today and all of it was expected for the most part. I assumed some changes would be made in Tennessee but it looks like Tommy Smith - CEO of the Titans said all is safe for Head Coach Ken Whisenhunt and GM Ruston Webster. I think Whizz is in way over his head and was a horrible coach this year and from a talent perspective it is not like they are loaded so the GM has certainly not done his job either. To me it seems like maybe CEO Tommy Smith is a moran and has accepted another bad to mediocre season next year. Also read that Ken Whisenhunt was quoted this morning saying they have to get Dexter McCluster more involved next year. Really Ken there is a reason KC let him go. He is nothing more then a 3rd down back at BEST. Yikes...good luck Tennessee!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
electricrelish Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 (edited) I think every organization should give a head coach more than one season. Not everyone is so quick to move to the next newest shiny thing like the Browns are. Edited December 29, 2014 by electricrelish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrab Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 I think every organization should give a head coach more than one season. Not everyone is so quick to move the next newest shiny thing like the Browns are. Both Pettine and Farmer will be back next season, so that is a start. We'll see if Haslam pushes them to keep/play Manziel or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HowboutthemCowboys Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 (edited) I think every organization should give a head coach more than one season. Not everyone is so quick to move to the next newest shiny thing like the Browns are. We'll never see this again, but I BELIEVE Tom Landry's first 5 seasons were losing seasons Edited December 29, 2014 by HowboutthemCowboys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrab Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 (edited) We'll never see this again, but I BELIEVE Tom Landry's first 5 seasons were losing seasons You are correct, first 5 below .500, 7-7 in his 6th year. He was winless (0-11-1) in his first season too. He also finished with 3 seasons below .500 Over his career he had a .607 winning percentage. From 1966-1985 (20 seasons) he only had 4 seasons with less than 10 wins (and much of that time was 14 game seasons). http://www.pro-footb...hes/LandTo0.htm Edited December 29, 2014 by stevegrab Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big John Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 From 1986-1995 (20 seasons) he only had 4 seasons with less than 10 wins (and much of that time was 14 game seasons). 1966-85? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bedo Posted December 29, 2014 Author Share Posted December 29, 2014 Please lets not compare Whisenhunt to Landry. He has had (7) seasons under his belt between Arizona and Tennessee and his combined record is 47-65. Granted he did go to a Superbowl and lost and also made it to the NFC Championship also and lost. Those 2 seasons he was a combined 19-13 nice job Ken!! Since those 2 years 2008 and 2009 he is a combined 20-44.....I am just not sure why he keeps getting chances after 20-44 the last 4 seasons as head coach. What special thing do they see in him. Tennessee is losing fans by the day and all they have to look forward to is a 5-11 season next year if they are lucky....OUCH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrab Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 1966-85? .Yes sorry about that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrab Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 Please lets not compare Whisenhunt to Landry. He has had (7) seasons under his belt between Arizona and Tennessee and his combined record is 47-65. Granted he did go to a Superbowl and lost and also made it to the NFC Championship also and lost. Those 2 seasons he was a combined 19-13 nice job Ken!! Since those 2 years 2008 and 2009 he is a combined 20-44.....I am just not sure why he keeps getting chances after 20-44 the last 4 seasons as head coach. What special thing do they see in him. Tennessee is losing fans by the day and all they have to look forward to is a 5-11 season next year if they are lucky....OUCH Nobody is comparing him to Landry, just pointing out that in another era coaches were given more than a year or two to build a good team. Now it seems far too many are canned after 1-2 years. Great coaches don't grow on trees, every time you throw somebody out and start over you set your team back several years (there are rare exceptions). Good teams know this and don't overreact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HowboutthemCowboys Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 Nobody is comparing him to Landry, just pointing out that in another era coaches were given more than a year or two to build a good team. Now it seems far too many are canned after 1-2 years. This. Obviously Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTSuper7 Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Whisenhunt is still young, and the fact that he does have history of success in the league with Arizona will give him some more time. For comparison purposes, look at Jeff Fisher. He has coached in one SB and lost, and he also made the AFC Championship game one year and lost, but both of those seasons were over 10 years ago. Jeff Fisher is regarded as a solid HC, but he hasn't coached a winning team since the 2008 Titans. Not to make this about Fisher, but my point is that it is far too early in Whisenhunt's tenure in Tennessee to throw in the towel. Heck, three years into his tenure, and Jeff Fisher hasn't had a winning record with the Rams. Why aren't people clamoring for a change there? Success in the NFL is fleeting, and personnel management has nearly as much to do with success as does coaching. Make stupid draft decisions, poor free agency moves, and mismanage the team's financial situation, and you hinder a coach's chances for success. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darin3 Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Dude didn't have much to work with. Yeah, can him after one season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HowboutthemCowboys Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 Dude didn't have much to work with. Yeah, can him after one season. ridiculous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keggerz Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 In the not too distant past people were calling for Jason Garrett's head, just sayin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
electricrelish Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 In the not too distant past people were calling for Jason Garrett's head, just sayin. Could that mean that head coaches should be given a lot more time than they are in general? Should more teams allow head coaches time to learn and fail? Cincinnati Bengals head coach Marvin Lewis only had one winning season/playoff appearance (year three) in his first six years. He followed that with five winning seasons/playoffs in his next six years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrab Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 Could that mean that head coaches should be given a lot more time than they are in general? Should more teams allow head coaches time to learn and fail? Cincinnati Bengals head coach Marvin Lewis only had one winning season/playoff appearance (year three) in his first six years. He followed that with five winning seasons/playoffs in his next six years. And some would say Lewis and his Bengals haven't won a playoff game in a long time, so he should be fired as well. I wasn't too keen on the Eagles letting go of Reid, Chip Kelly has done well and Reid is doing ok with the Chiefs. But I think that is a big exception. I've watched my team turn over their coaching staff, front office and players with great frequency and I know it is not a recipe for success. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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