Wentz to Colts for 3rd and...

[Finn5033 414]

Apparently Wentz is being traded to the Colts for a 3rd this year and a conditional 2nd next year that could turn into a 1st. Can’t find a link yet but heard it on the radio

[Big John 1,288]

Eagles agree to trade QB Carson Wentz to Colts for two draft picks (nfl.com)

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If Carson Wentz’s playtime is at or above 75% next season, the conditional 2022 second-round pick would become a first-round pick, per sources. The second-round pick also.could become a first if Wentz plays at least 70 percent of the plays and the Colts go to the playoffs.

[Gopher 742]

Good deal for both sides.  And, I like Wentz's chances of succeeding a lot better in IND than in CHI (although it would have been nice, as a MIN fan, to watch him continue to struggle in CHI). 

 

[DMD 331]

But did IND pick up that monster salary? They have some optimism. More than I have.

[darin3 1,718]

17 minutes ago, Gopher said:

Good deal for both sides.  And, I like Wentz's chances of succeeding a lot better in IND than in CHI (although it would have been nice, as a MIN fan, to watch him continue to struggle in CHI). 

 

 

Agreed, he would have been terrible in Chicago.  Not that the weapons in Indy are incredible but the support Wentz will get there will allow him to get back to being a solid QB, I think.

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19 minutes ago, Gopher said:

Good deal for both sides.  And, I like Wentz's chances of succeeding a lot better in IND than in CHI (although it would have been nice, as a MIN fan, to watch him continue to struggle in CHI). 

 

I agree. plus, chicago is a qb graveyard

[Gopher 742]

12 minutes ago, DMD said:

But did IND pick up that monster salary? They have some optimism. More than I have.

I don't know the details on the salary, but I know that Wentz is, at the very least, an upgrade over what they had at QB before this deal.  Best case, Wentz has an awakening and gets back to what he was before (or at least close).  If he does that, they're in immediate contention in the AFC, with a superior defense and rushing attack to KC.  Leadership-wise, Rivers might have been superior to Wentz.  Talent-wise, though, the Colts accomplished what they did last year despite Rivers, not because of him.  Barring a major disaster, they can only improve with a QB who has WAY more left in the tank (and a better arm) than Rivers had.

[Gopher 742]

11 minutes ago, darin3 said:

 

Agreed, he would have been terrible in Chicago.  Not that the weapons in Indy are incredible but the support Wentz will get there will allow him to get back to being a solid QB, I think.

They're not incredible, but they're good enough.  Certainly as good as what he was working with in Philly 3-4 years ago.  But, yeah, I think it's all about the support he'll get, both in terms of coaching and offensive line protection.  

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11 minutes ago, Bier Meister said:

I agree. plus, chicago is a qb graveyard

Exactly.  It's honestly hard to imagine how that would have turned out well.  

[darin3 1,718]

14 minutes ago, Gopher said:

They're not incredible, but they're good enough.  Certainly as good as what he was working with in Philly 3-4 years ago.  But, yeah, I think it's all about the support he'll get, both in terms of coaching and offensive line protection.  

 

That's true.  I'm glad I held on to him and didn't trade him for peanuts in one of my dynasty leagues.  I also have Darnold in that league and now have to hope he goes somewhere where he can have a Tannehill-like resurrection.

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It's decent value considering the situation. I do think Wentz got a raw deal in Philly and that Indy will be the beneficiary. They've made it very apparent in Philly that it's a total rebuild, Ertz is next. 

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39 minutes ago, DMD said:

But did IND pick up that monster salary? They have some optimism. More than I have.

 

The salary isn't all that bad since Philly ate all the dead and upfront money. Indy can release him at anytime with no penalties or cap hits. It totally cripples the Eagles though. 

[purplemonster 523]

Sounds like a good deal for the Eagles. More than I thought they'd get 

 

Edit: At first I thought both picks could turn into better picks but I was wrong.  The 3rd rounder is this year. The 2022 pick becomes a 1st with 75% playing time or 70% and playoffs, which if Wentz plays anywhere decently and doesn't get injured should happen. If he doesn't meet those metrics than prob best the Eagles got rid of him anyway.

 

Seems like a fair deal, but for a guy who wanted to be gone still not a bad haul for the Eagles

Edited February 18, 2021 by purplemonster

[darin3 1,718]

Oh and the domino effect is Hurts just zoomed up in the rankings, despite what League_"Champion" will say.  

Edited February 18, 2021 by darin3

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1 minute ago, darin3 said:

Oh and the domino effect is Hurts just zoomed up in the rankings, despite what League_"Champion" will say.  

 

How many NFL games had he won? 

[darin3 1,718]

1 minute ago, League_Champion said:

 

How many NFL games had he won? 

 

Wait, you have to win games to be a fantasy stud?  News to me, champ.

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Just now, darin3 said:

 

Wait, you have to win games to be a fantasy stud?  News to me, champ.

 

Now he's a fantasy stud? I'm discussing the trade in CONTEXT to the thread you're in. Hurts may be a fantasy stud (someday). It doesn't mean he's winning games - AKA Jameis Winston. 

[purplemonster 523]

I mean it's all going to hinge on how well Wentz plays right. Hard to grade a trade when if Wentz fixes his issues it's a good deal for the Colts, if he stinks then not so good. But either way not disastrous so seems pretty fair. 

[darin3 1,718]

9 minutes ago, League_Champion said:

 

Now he's a fantasy stud? I'm discussing the trade in CONTEXT to the thread you're in. Hurts may be a fantasy stud (someday). It doesn't mean he's winning games - AKA Jameis Winston. 

 

Man you're dense.  Read my post again.  The CONTEXT of which I was speaking was clearly about fantasy football, since this is, in fact, a fantasy football forum.

 

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Just now, darin3 said:

 

Man you're dense.  Read my post again.  The CONTEXT of which I was speaking was clearly about fantasy football, since this is, in fact, a fantasy football forum.

 

 

When your get your tongue out of Jalen's taint we'll talk football. 🤪

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13 minutes ago, purplemonster said:

I mean it's all going to hinge on how well Wentz plays right. Hard to grade a trade when if Wentz fixes his issues it's a good deal for the Colts, if he stinks then not so good. But either way not disastrous so seems pretty fair. 

 

Agree. And unfortunately it had to be done. Between the cap situation and bad contracts Philly is inline for a total purge the next couple years. I really do hate to see him go but at least they got some sort of value. They'll probably take a QB at 6 now. 

[darin3 1,718]

17 minutes ago, League_Champion said:

 

When your get your tongue out of Jalen's taint we'll talk football. 🤪

 

Typical reply.  Why do you hate black quarterbacks?

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13 minutes ago, darin3 said:

 

Typical reply.  Why do you hate black quarterbacks?

 

He doesn't know, and in a few hours he'll change his opinion, it's what he does. 

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1 hour ago, darin3 said:

 

Typical reply.  Why do you hate black quarterbacks?

 

I love all QBs. All QB Lives Matter. Not just the ones you like.