Vaxxed or unvaxxed?

[irish]

10 minutes ago, Trojanmojo said:

 

Millions of people have already taken the vaccines with little to no side effects. I’d much rather take the vaccine than make a political statement and die from covid but to each their own I guess.

 

 

This x1,000,000!

[rajncajn]

24 minutes ago, LordOpie said:

The fact that this can't be discussed in open society should concern y'all, but i see plenty of people are discussion-hesitant.

I'm bowing out of the discussion.

Just remember, if things go sideways, someone did try to share info.

Be well y'all

Just because you don't agree with some of the people you are discussing it with doesn't mean that it can't be discussed.

[rajncajn]

31 minutes ago, LordOpie said:

1. Don't be rude.

2. There's nothing tinfoil about my comment.

3. I already explained all this

1. Yes, I was rude, sorry, I was just teasing

2. It's easy to say that they are not allowed to, but what is the basis for that comment?

3. Just because the FDA can't legally allow a EU vaccine doesn't mean that Mereck can't say that Ivermectin is useful in treatment. That doesn't make any sense at all unless you believe there is some sort of conspiracy, hence the tin foil comment.

[rajncajn]

32 minutes ago, Trojanmojo said:

 

Millions of people have already taken the vaccines with little to no side effects. I’d much rather take the vaccine than make a political statement and die from covid but to each their own I guess.

I agree, but I don't see it as a political statement. There are many reasons and people from all walks of life that are vaccine hesitant. One of the largest populations of the US that are vaccine hesitant are blacks and demographically speaking the majority of them should be Democrat. So, while I believe that some are not getting it for political reasons, I don't think it's accurate to depict the overall as a political statement.

[League_Champion]

52 minutes ago, Trojanmojo said:

 

Millions of people have already taken the vaccines with little to no side effects. I’d much rather take the vaccine than make a political statement and die from covid but to each their own I guess.

 

 

 

I thought I was going to die after I was vaccinated. The next day I woke up with the worst headache ever and seriously couldn't move. It only lasted 2 days but it was hell. I have a couple friends who had similar experiences. 

[irish]

53 minutes ago, League_Champion said:

 

I thought I was going to die after I was vaccinated. The next day I woke up with the worst headache ever and seriously couldn't move. It only lasted 2 days but it was hell. I have a couple friends who had similar experiences. 

Other than slight arm soreness, it was like I never got the vaccination. Crazy

 

Also, I have O blood and I read that there is something beneficial to that. Less severe symptoms if I did get covid and less of a vaccine reaction. 

Edited August 12, 2021 by irish

[rajncajn]

56 minutes ago, League_Champion said:

 

I thought I was going to die after I was vaccinated. The next day I woke up with the worst headache ever and seriously couldn't move. It only lasted 2 days but it was hell. I have a couple friends who had similar experiences. 

My wife had a relatively mild case of Covid, headache, loss of smell and taste, nagging cough, but no fever & no debilitating lung issues. When she got the Moderna vaccine it was like she had it all over again, but only for about a day. The second shot was nothing. I didn't have Covid that I know of and got the Pfizer. The first shot I had a sore arm, but no other symptoms that I know of. The second shot, however, knocked me on my ass. No real Covid symptoms, but for an entire day I felt like I hadn't slept in days.

[stevegrab]

I applaud the few people in this thread (Irish & rajncajn) trying to have a rational discussion. But its clear the other 2 key players (whose posts I usually ignore but have read or seen many in this thread and elsewhere on the topic) continue to take the extreme views and talk like members of the tin foil hat crowd. Also when somebody says we should keep politics out of it, but says they don't believe Trump had any "foul intentions in our approach to it" deserves a  . The guy claimed it was a hoax, would go away by Easter (that was about 18 months ago), and then promised he'd fast track a vaccine so that it would be ready before the election so he'd be the savior and get re-elected.  

 

I have to say its still a million times better than any other online discussion of this topic where half the posts are "If Biden hadn't invited tens/hundreds of thousands (or millions even) of illegals with COVID to enter our country then shipped them all over the US to the red states to make them look bad."  

 

Be safe and try not to be killed by this dangerous virus. 

[irish]

Just now, rajncajn said:

My wife had a relatively mild case of Covid, headache, loss of smell and taste, nagging cough, but no fever & no debilitating lung issues. When she got the Moderna vaccine it was like she had it all over again, but only for about a day. The second shot was nothing. I didn't have Covid that I know of and got the Pfizer. The first shot I had a sore arm, but no other symptoms that I know of. The second shot, however, knocked me on my ass. No real Covid symptoms, but for an entire day I felt like I hadn't slept in days.

My wife got crushed when she got the vaccine for about a day as well. 

[stevegrab]

Most people I talked to had no real impact from the vaccine, a few had some mild discomfort after the second shot, one younger per (mid 20s) had some bad stuff. 

 

I could not wait to get it, and went to a mass vaccination site in Cleveland administered by the military (Ohio National Guard and US Army) and very well run. Trying to sign up thru various other outlets was maddening so I went there, a 30 minute drive on a Sunday morning. 

[irish]

15 minutes ago, stevegrab said:

I applaud the few people in this thread (Irish & rajncajn) trying to have a rational discussion. But its clear the other 2 key players (whose posts I usually ignore but have read or seen many in this thread and elsewhere on the topic) continue to take the extreme views and talk like members of the tin foil hat crowd. Also when somebody says we should keep politics out of it, but says they don't believe Trump had any "foul intentions in our approach to it" deserves a  . The guy claimed it was a hoax, would go away by Easter (that was about 18 months ago), and then promised he'd fast track a vaccine so that it would be ready before the election so he'd be the savior and get re-elected.  

 

I have to say its still a million times better than any other online discussion of this topic where half the posts are "If Biden hadn't invited tens/hundreds of thousands (or millions even) of illegals with COVID to enter our country then shipped them all over the US to the red states to make them look bad."  

 

Be safe and try not to be killed by this dangerous virus. 

That was my goal, to try and have a reasonable, level- headed conversation about Covid and the vaccination worth jabbing each other.  And to keep it out of the Michael Thomas thread or any other. 

[devilwoman]

Have a friend who lives in Idaho.  We know each other from living in Alaska, my wife worked with him for almost 20 years in a small hospital.  We love him and his family very much.  He and his family, for the most part are ultra conservative, voted for Trump twice, believed all the lies.  Their bible study group got infected with covid.  No one was vaccinated, and his wife got it the worst...she was a cancer survivor, she got really sick. Was in the ICU for many days, and then got better, took her off the vint, and things were looking good, then she totally relapsed and died less than 48 hours later.  Absolutely 💔.  Needless death...sad for my friend.

[rajncajn]

A good friend of mine's brother is one of the ones that had a stroke shortly after getting the vaccine. I can link the story if someone wants to see it or you can do a search for it. 

[rajncajn]

2 hours ago, stevegrab said:

Also when somebody says we should keep politics out of it, but says they don't believe Trump had any "foul intentions in our approach to it" deserves a  . 

I don't really care what side of the turd you're eating,  it's all sh*t to me and everyone can smell it when you talk.

 

Or, the not so rude version...

 

Your political views or affiliation are irrelevant to the subject and expressing them in this thread only serves to poison the discussion.

[stevegrab]

1 minute ago, rajncajn said:

I don't really care what side of the turd you're eating,  it's all sh*t to me and everyone can smell it when you talk.

 

Or, the not so rude version...

 

Your political views or affiliation are irrelevant to the subject and expressing them in this thread only serves to poison the discussion.

 

Hey I'm not the one that mentioned a politician and then defend his actions while president during a pandemic.  If we're not supposed to bring our political views into the discussion you failed. So don't jump on me for commenting on what you wrote. 

[rajncajn]

18 minutes ago, stevegrab said:

 

Hey I'm not the one that mentioned a politician and then defend his actions while president during a pandemic.  If we're not supposed to bring our political views into the discussion you failed. So don't jump on me for commenting on what you wrote. 

First of all,  I didn't defend anything and couldn't care any less about him or either political party. Second,  I said there was plenty of blame to go around which you conveniently ignored in order to throw in a few shots at Trump. If you want to start a separate thread about the orange buffoon or the union of American socialists and their responses to the pandemic then knock yourself out. I won't be participating. My only intention was to head off a political back and forth in this thread,  but some people just can't seem to help themselves and are determined to get their shots in.

Edited August 12, 2021 by rajncajn

[League_Champion]

56 minutes ago, stevegrab said:

 

Hey I'm not the one that mentioned a politician and then defend his actions while president during a pandemic.  If we're not supposed to bring our political views into the discussion you failed. So don't jump on me for commenting on what you wrote. 

 

Don't be ashamed that you voted for Biden. He's doing an amazing job so far. At least he doesn't mean tweet like the last guy. 

[League_Champion]

4 hours ago, stevegrab said:

But its clear the other 2 key players (whose posts I usually ignore but have read or seen many in this thread and elsewhere on the topic) continue to take the extreme views

 

 

[League_Champion]

6 hours ago, LordOpie said:

I'm not back, this is for @rajncajn cuz he seems interested... Really, you can just scroll down to the chart

Ivermectin Wins in India

 

https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/indias-ivermectin-blackout

 

They could of saved millions of lives early on with a prophylaxis of Hydroxychloriquin with an Ivermectin chaser. And it only costs pennies a day! They shamed doctors into keeping quiet about it's successes so that big Pharmaceutical could continue making billions for it's investors and political affiliates. And the geeks in here will tell you "believe the science" while crying you a river. 

 

 

 

Edited August 14, 2021 by League_Champion

[irish]

38 minutes ago, LordOpie said:

There seems to be a political divide.

I'm curious on two questions...

Do you support vax mandate?

Are you repub, dem, or third party?

(I'm going to lump all other parties as third :p)

 

I don't support a vax mandate as that removes the freedom to choose. However, there are vax mandates for kids to go to school, whether it's preschool or beyond.  I guess the feeling is sometimes, you have to help people even when they won't help themselves.  I don't connect to one party but have been voting Democrat, was easy to do the last 2 times and I loved Obama. 

[irish]

2 minutes ago, LordOpie said:

If you support school mandate then you support mandate?

I was just stating that there are school mandates.  I just happen to believe that getting children vaccinated is important, however, if a parent believes some silly crap that their kid is going to get Autism because they received a vaccination, it should ultimately be their choice in regard to what they put in their kid's body. Again, these required vaccinations, to attend school, exist for the same reason the covid ones do, to help protect people and prevent severe outbreak, sickness, hospitalization and unfortunate deaths. 

[irish]

Just now, LordOpie said:

So you do not support mandate

Correct. People should have the right to choose. 

[Shorttynaz]

I had Covid for the ENTIRE month of July back in 2020.  I didn't require hospitalization, but I was on the verge.  I had constant body aches - and to be 100% honest - words can't describe it.  I felt like a ran a marathon, and then ran up and down all the stairs at the Cardinals stadium, and then ran another marathon.  It hurt to lay down.  It hurt to sit down.  It hurt to stand up.  I just hurt.  I also had a fever for 3 weeks that went up to 103.7, I'd get it back down to the 99.5ish range.  A few hours would pass and it would start going back up to where it would peak at 103.5 to 103.7ish.  It went on for 3 weeks, easily.  No joke.  To any of the non-believers out there, this was DEFINITELY NOT the flu.  I've had the flu before, yes - flu (not a bad cold) and this was non comparable.  

 

I finally got over it with nothing more than whatever rest I could get and over the counter medicine - and holy hell - I never ever ever ever ever ever ever EVER...  want to experience that again - so I did opt for the vaccine back in March when it first became available to me.  I got both doses of the Moderna vaccine.  The first shot was fine - no reaction whatsoever.  Maybe a little tired for like half a day, but that could have simply been stress related at work.  4 weeks later when I got the 2nd dose, I literally had no reaction whatsoever.  Not tired, no pain in my arm, I didn't get sick - none of that.  

 

I won't sit here and preach that people should get vaccinated - after all, your body, your choice, but I do have a close friend who works in the medical field and has been telling me that she has firsthand experience in not only admitting people coming down with the Delta variant into the hospital (per her words - 98% of them are unvaccinated), but worse than that, she is responsible for delivering the news to some of these people's families that their loved one succumbed to this variant and didn't make it.  Gut-wrenching for sure.  She said the most common request she gets from the people she admits is "just give me the damn vaccine then."  Unfortunately - at that point, it's too late.  She said the ONLY good that comes out of it is generally the family members who are initially upset with her - like it's her fault that their loved one (and themselves) choose not to get the vaccine but ultimately paid the price - she said that as unfortunate as it is, this is what it will take for some of these anti-vaxxers and conspiracy theorists to change their mind.  

 

Sure - there's potential risks either way, but I would think that any logical person would not want to play a game of russian roulette with a deadly strain of bacteria.  If I can get a shot in the arm to greatly turn those odds further in my favor, why wouldn't I?  

 

But again - my body, my choice.  I just wish some people were better informed and considered science a little more than some neighbor of friend of a friend who works with a guy who has a distant relative who got the shot and ended up in the hospital.  People are ending up in the hospital from not getting the shot, not from getting it.  

Edited August 15, 2021 by Shorttynaz

[Shorttynaz]

4 hours ago, LordOpie said:

There seems to be a political divide.

I'm curious on two questions...

Do you support vax mandate?

Are you repub, dem, or third party?

(I'm going to lump all other parties as third :p)

I am a registered Repub, but I'm not very far to the right.  I do see and agree with a lot of liberal views.  I can't say I support forcing people to get vaccinated.  When it first started coming out that these companies were mandating that their staff get vaccinated or lose their job, it sucks.  I mean a company can do what they want so long as it's a right to work state and that employee is not under a signed contract that doesn't outline this stipulation.  I do agree (simply my opinion), the far left is pushing a forced mandate WAY too hard, and the far right is pretty much saying FU to the left - but I firmly believe it has nothing to do with the vaccine in general.  The far right are just as bitter as the far left was when President Cheeto was still in office doing what he wanted, and now the tables are turned, the far right are just as unhappy that the left can pretty much do what they want.  

Edited August 15, 2021 by Shorttynaz

[loaf]

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