Bobby Brown Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 57 minutes ago, stevegrab said: Not just any journalist you've never heard of, but "a Brainwashed NY Times Leftists" so I'm sure the story is totally unbiased and worth reading....NOT Next thing you know anti vaxxers will be drinking urine to own the brainwashed libs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrab Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 NC man won't get vaccinated in order to get a kidney transplant, he's rather "die free" https://www.wsoctv.com/news/local/i-will-die-free-unvaccinated-burke-county-man-denied-kidney-transplant-by-hospital/OJGAFURR4FGERJB7VT24P5RED4/ Yes dialysis 3 times a week, you sure look free doing that. Why are you trusting that part of medicine but not the vaccine? "I was born free I'll die free" but in between I listened to medical professionals, had artificial legs, and other surgeries. I was even vaccinated as a kid in order to attend school (or did NC not do that, I had heard those were part of going to school all across the US). Now cue the CONs telling us how the death panels are in action and are killing this guy for not getting the vaccine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rajncajn Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 20 minutes ago, stevegrab said: NC man won't get vaccinated in order to get a kidney transplant, he's rather "die free" https://www.wsoctv.com/news/local/i-will-die-free-unvaccinated-burke-county-man-denied-kidney-transplant-by-hospital/OJGAFURR4FGERJB7VT24P5RED4/ Yes dialysis 3 times a week, you sure look free doing that. Why are you trusting that part of medicine but not the vaccine? "I was born free I'll die free" but in between I listened to medical professionals, had artificial legs, and other surgeries. I was even vaccinated as a kid in order to attend school (or did NC not do that, I had heard those were part of going to school all across the US). Now cue the CONs telling us how the death panels are in action and are killing this guy for not getting the vaccine. The con is that they are denying him a (the really bad word)ing kidney transplant over a (the really bad word)ing vaccine. I don't think the guy is a hero or anything for his decision, but seriously... I'd sue the hell out of them & hope that if he dies as a result they get a boatload of cash from it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrab Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 37 minutes ago, rajncajn said: The con is that they are denying him a (the really bad word)ing kidney transplant over a (the really bad word)ing vaccine. I don't think the guy is a hero or anything for his decision, but seriously... I'd sue the hell out of them & hope that if he dies as a result they get a boatload of cash from it. Getting a transplant has many rules, including taking all kinds of vaccines. They are not DENYING him anything, he is not willing to follow the rules. If they sue isn't it just a big cash grab to get rich of his death? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rajncajn Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 41 minutes ago, stevegrab said: Getting a transplant has many rules, including taking all kinds of vaccines. They are not DENYING him anything, he is not willing to follow the rules. If they sue isn't it just a big cash grab to get rich of his death? Vaccines are a recommendation, not a requirement. So, yes, by refusing to perform the surgery unless he gets a Covid vaccine they are in fact denying him the surgery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrab Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 14 minutes ago, rajncajn said: Vaccines are a recommendation, not a requirement. So, yes, by refusing to perform the surgery unless he gets a Covid vaccine they are in fact denying him the surgery. Who said that? Transplants are not just a simple surgery, you need to be on the list and approved. Part of that is making sure the person receiving the transplant has the best possible chance of surviving and making good use of the new organ. That includes being vaccinated. Let his family sue if they like, that's part of our system in this country. Its just a cash grab. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
League_Champion Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 1 hour ago, stevegrab said: Getting a transplant has many rules, including taking all kinds of vaccines. They are not DENYING him anything, he is not willing to follow the rules What rules? I'm not sure how it works but do you have to be vaccinated for Chicken Pox or The Flu as well? If not why would Covid be any different? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
League_Champion Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 29 minutes ago, stevegrab said: Who said that? Transplants are not just a simple surgery, you need to be on the list and approved. Part of that is making sure the person receiving the transplant has the best possible chance of surviving and making good use of the new organ. That includes being vaccinated. What the hell difference does it make if he's vaccinated or not? You're crazy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrab Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 Rules are rules, they apply to everybody including those who don't believe in the vaccine. The place he wants to have the transplant done REQUIRES vaccination for COVID, in order to have the best chance of success and not waste that donated organ on a more risky case. I bet the persons over all health and other factors are used to decide who gets a transplant. He is welcome to try and find another transplant center that doesn't have these rules, that is what the facility told him. Next up, the CONS will tell us these are death panels....or just insult others and tell them they are crazy. Or cling to old stuff about the vaccines being only approved for emergency use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
League_Champion Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 2 minutes ago, stevegrab said: Rules are rules That's what the Nazis told the Jews Steven. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrab Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 9 minutes ago, League_Champion said: That's what the Nazis told the Jews Steven. Trump and his followers are the real Nazis Snooki Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
League_Champion Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 27 minutes ago, stevegrab said: Trump and his followers are the real Nazis Snooki So much hate Steven. I feel sorry for you. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rajncajn Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 (edited) Never mind... I'm already dumber to have gotten involved with this thread in the first place. Edited February 1, 2022 by rajncajn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrab Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 1 hour ago, League_Champion said: So much hate Steven. I feel sorry for you. Sure you do, your compassion is on display in many posts in this forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrab Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 US Army is last branch of the military to start discharging soldiers who refuse to be vaccinated. Cue the anti-vax folks and freedom fighters to tell us "what about their freedom", nevermind that being in the military requires following many orders you may not like. But YOU agreed to that when you enlisted. Not to mention that military life has included taking vaccines in the past, Now for a rebuttal from the 3 musketeers... "but this one is different its emergency use only, experimental and more deadly than the virus." "UNFAIR" "Damn liberal commies working for Biden" https://www.npr.org/2022/02/02/1077625142/u-s-army-covid-vaccination Some numbers before people claim this leaves us woefully unprepared as a military 96% of active duty are fully vaccinated, 3350 have refused to be vaccinated, 5900 have received temporary exemptions that would mean 9250 who are not vaccinated out of 231,250, with just about 1.5% of that total getting discharged. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
League_Champion Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 (edited) 56 minutes ago, stevegrab said: about their freedom", nevermind that being in the military requires following many orders you may not like. But YOU agreed to that when you enlisted. Not to mention that military life has included taking vaccines in the past, What would you know about military life? You've never fought for a dam thing. Edited February 3, 2022 by League_Champion 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rajncajn Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 30 minutes ago, stevegrab said: US Army is last branch of the military to start discharging soldiers who refuse to be vaccinated. Cue the anti-vax folks and freedom fighters to tell us "what about their freedom", nevermind that being in the military requires following many orders you may not like. But YOU agreed to that when you enlisted. Not to mention that military life has included taking vaccines in the past, Now for a rebuttal from the 3 musketeers... "but this one is different its emergency use only, experimental and more deadly than the virus." "UNFAIR" "Damn liberal commies working for Biden" https://www.npr.org/2022/02/02/1077625142/u-s-army-covid-vaccination Some numbers before people claim this leaves us woefully unprepared as a military 96% of active duty are fully vaccinated, 3350 have refused to be vaccinated, 5900 have received temporary exemptions that would mean 9250 who are not vaccinated out of 231,250, with just about 1.5% of that total getting discharged. I've stepped away from this thread and plan to no longer comment. But, I'll say this one last time since you decided to drag me into your pissing match... I have been and will continue to be a proponent of the vaccine. I think I've made that abundantly clear on numerous occasions. What I am not a proponent of is vaccine mandates of any form. What the military does is their own business and a separate matter altogether. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrab Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 (edited) 37 minutes ago, rajncajn said: I've stepped away from this thread and plan to no longer comment. But, I'll say this one last time since you decided to drag me into your pissing match... I have been and will continue to be a proponent of the vaccine. I think I've made that abundantly clear on numerous occasions. What I am not a proponent of is vaccine mandates of any form. What the military does is their own business and a separate matter altogether. How did I drag you into it? Where did I mention your name? Remember "thinks I'm trolling him but I'm not" ??? Well at least you agree that the military has a right to require their soldiers to do things, bravo. Edited February 3, 2022 by stevegrab 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Brown Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 "What I am not a proponent of is vaccine mandates of any form." I will forever be confused by people who think private businesses shouldn't reserve the right to have vaccine policy because of freedom. Libertarians against free market principles is a real thing. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrab Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 31 minutes ago, Bobby Brown said: "What I am not a proponent of is vaccine mandates of any form." I will forever be confused by people who think private businesses shouldn't reserve the right to have vaccine policy because of freedom. Libertarians against free market principles is a real thing. Don't schools have vaccine requirements? Pretty sure they existed when I was younger. I know, those against any requirement for COVID vaccines will claim those were safe and not experimental. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
League_Champion Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 You should try the Anthrax vaccine, especially a "bad batch". The dead apparently died of natural causes. I bet that wasn't on CNN or anywhere else for that matter. 2 weeks in a German hospital = fun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
League_Champion Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 15 minutes ago, LordOpie said: Sounds like you experience that directly? 🙁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Brown Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 (edited) On 2/1/2022 at 1:10 PM, LordOpie said: I asked them how they can believe in gun control -and- the holocaust? That is a condundrum, isn't it? I'll give it a shot though.... Jewish folks, on account of being Jewish, are generally going to be informed on the credible causes of the holocaust despite what you may see in a meme. https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2015/oct/26/ben-carson/fact-checking-ben-carson-nazi-guns/ Edited February 4, 2022 by Bobby Brown 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Brown Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 43 minutes ago, LordOpie said: There does not have to be a conspiracy for one to have questions about vaccines... Or anything. You simply have to acknowledge that humans make mistakes. 50 MILLION Doses Of 'Vaccine Recalled https://twitter.com/unhealthytruth/status/1492258234698248192 You do realize this happened over a year ago? And despite that you really want to believe Erin the Health Nut on Twitter, they weren't 'recalled.' The vaccine was in trials and caused a false HIV positive so research and development was discontinued out of an abundance of caution. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-55269381 This isn't making the point you thought it is. It's shows how prescriptive and deliberate the trial process is before vaccines reach approval and make it to the market. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darin3 Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 On 2/12/2022 at 7:02 PM, Bobby Brown said: You do realize this happened over a year ago? And despite that you really want to believe Erin the Health Nut on Twitter, they weren't 'recalled.' The vaccine was in trials and caused a false HIV positive so research and development was discontinued out of an abundance of caution. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-55269381 This isn't making the point you thought it is. It's shows how prescriptive and deliberate the trial process is before vaccines reach approval and make it to the market. Why do you even waste your time trying to explain things to a couple of folks on here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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