League_Champion Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 Brian Flores is out as the Dolphins head coach, sources tell ESPN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn5033 Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 This one is a bit of a surprise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
League_Champion Posted January 10, 2022 Author Share Posted January 10, 2022 11 minutes ago, Finn5033 said: This one is a bit of a surprise I feel the same. I thought he did a pretty good job considering the lack of talent there. I'd expect him have a few offers on the table. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrab Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 He was on a hot seat list I was reading on the weekend. They started off 1-7, then went 8-1 but not many quality wins (BAL and NO). 3 full years, 24-25, I guess they just felt he hadn't turned things around. Gase was fired after 3 years and a similar 23-25 record, Philbin 3+ years 24-28, Sparano 3+ years 29-32....that's a pretty consistent pattern. Last successful HC they had was Wannstedt 42-31 in 4.5 years. Looking for news one story proclaims he will be a top candidate for other openings. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blaw23 Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 I am shocked by this. As a Dolphins fan I have to say I am disappointed as well. I think he has done a good job with the talent he was given. I think if anyone should have been fired it should be Chris Grier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
League_Champion Posted January 10, 2022 Author Share Posted January 10, 2022 2 minutes ago, blaw23 said: . I think if anyone should have been fired it should be Chris Grier This Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loaf Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 As much as I had no clue who their coach was, I had a firm belief he had done enough in the second half to save his ass. Such is life in the big city Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trojanmojo Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 46 minutes ago, stevegrab said: He was on a hot seat list I was reading on the weekend. They started off 1-7, then went 8-1 but not many quality wins (BAL and NO). 3 full years, 24-25, I guess they just felt he hadn't turned things around. Gase was fired after 3 years and a similar 23-25 record, Philbin 3+ years 24-28, Sparano 3+ years 29-32....that's a pretty consistent pattern. Last successful HC they had was Wannstedt 42-31 in 4.5 years. Looking for news one story proclaims he will be a top candidate for other openings. Until they have a new owner it’ll be like shuffling deck chairs on the titanic. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gilthorp Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 I don't get this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrab Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 30 minutes ago, blaw23 said: I am shocked by this. As a Dolphins fan I have to say I am disappointed as well. I think he has done a good job with the talent he was given. I think if anyone should have been fired it should be Chris Grier. Sounds like it was a power struggle between HC and GM, the GM had been a part of the organization for 20 years, and won the battle. Also sounds like this change could impact their chances of landing Watson, since the Flores was a driving force behind that, and part of what had Watson interested. https://twitter.com/CharlesRobinson/status/1480550597111783430 https://twitter.com/DariusJButler/status/1480558265457123328 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrab Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 1 minute ago, LordOpie said: speculation on local radio is that Deshaun Watson is a fan of Brian Flores. I wouldn't be surprised if HOU hired Flores and kept Watson. So they'll fire their current head coach (David Culley) after one season (4-13) because their best player had legal issues and didn't play (team basically benched him) held out and now there's a guy available to take over? I thought Watson wanted out of Houston because of ownership? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
League_Champion Posted January 10, 2022 Author Share Posted January 10, 2022 5 minutes ago, LordOpie said: speculation on local radio is that Deshaun Watson is a fan of Brian Flores. I wouldn't be surprised if HOU hired Flores and kept Watson. Houston has a QB, his name is Davis Mills and he's pretty dam good. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrab Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 12 minutes ago, League_Champion said: Houston has a QB, his name is Davis Mills and he's pretty dam good. Really, like franchise QB good? Setting records as a rookie good? Seems like a rookie who showed some flashes while playing on a pretty bad team expected to win only a few games. Texans also have a proven elite QB in Watson. Yes he has the legal issues, but we don't know where those will be in 3-6 months when it matters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
League_Champion Posted January 10, 2022 Author Share Posted January 10, 2022 4 minutes ago, stevegrab said: Really, like franchise QB good? Setting records as a rookie good? Seems like a rookie who showed some flashes while playing on a pretty bad team expected to win only a few games. Texans also have a proven elite QB in Watson. Yes he has the legal issues, but we don't know where those will be in 3-6 months when it matters. If not for injuries in College he would of been the second QB taken overall, no doubt. He's insanely talented, WHEN HEALTHY. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purplemonster Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 The internal struggle angle is the only one that makes sense. The team is doing fine and seem to be improving so it doesn't really make sense otherwise. There will be lots of interest in Flores Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Dick Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 2 hours ago, gilthorp said: I don't get this one. I just wonder if Flores pounded the table for Tua and the GM wanted Herbert. They give in on Tua for him and now here we are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blaw23 Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 They will never admit it, but I think it is probably the other way around if anything. Grier wanted Tua and Flores wanted Herbert and there have been other personnel decisions that Flores did not agree with. Flores and Tua do not have a great relationship. Grier has been with the Dolphins for almost 20 years so he won out when it became clear one of them had to go. Unfortunately, I think that was the wrong decision. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrab Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 Yes, this article doesn't sound like Grier was against Tua and got convinced by a 2nd year NFL head coach. https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/tua-tagovailoa-justin-herbert-2020-nfl-draft-dolphins/d3wkr3zgoat7177josj14myux Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1fastdoc Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 Sounds like Miami will have another few years of mediocrity. As long as Waddle becomes the benefactor of them playing from behind I'm fine with that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolverines Fan Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 3 hours ago, purplemonster said: The internal struggle angle is the only one that makes sense. The team is doing fine and seem to be improving so it doesn't really make sense otherwise. There will be lots of interest in Flores Agree on the power struggle thing. I thought ownership and the gm wanted Watson but Flores wanted to stick with Tagovailoa. Whatever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolverines Fan Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 3 hours ago, Chief Dick said: I just wonder if Flores pounded the table for Tua and the GM wanted Herbert. They give in on Tua for him and now here we are. This Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caveman_Nick Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 Three seasons, no playoffs…not sure why this is a surprise to anyone. The Pats lost Tom Brady, had a down year, and are back in the playoffs with a rookie QB and without a 1000 yard rusher or receiver. Flores came out of NE as the DC. Maybe the thought is that the Defense has performed similarly since he left, and maybe he wasn’t the key to that success when he was in New England. The results haven’t been there, and three years is more than a lot of guys get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrab Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 14 hours ago, Caveman_Nick said: Three seasons, no playoffs…not sure why this is a surprise to anyone. The Pats lost Tom Brady, had a down year, and are back in the playoffs with a rookie QB and without a 1000 yard rusher or receiver. Flores came out of NE as the DC. Maybe the thought is that the Defense has performed similarly since he left, and maybe he wasn’t the key to that success when he was in New England. The results haven’t been there, and three years is more than a lot of guys get. Not sure why you're comparing the Dolphins to the Pats, a team with a HOF coach (those don't come around often) and a well run organization that has been developed by the same HOF coach and those around him. Some NFL teams are just well run, others are a joke, my own Browns included most times. Those who cannot find the right guy, and keep trying over and over and over take forever to get good, and it rarely lasts more than a few years. Just because coaches are fired every year, often with 2-3 years or less time, doesn't mean it is the right strategy. Maybe it was here and Flores did all he could, just saying this notion of "well you had 3 years and never made the playoffs do you're fired" is not a sound strategy for success. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
League_Champion Posted January 11, 2022 Author Share Posted January 11, 2022 24 minutes ago, stevegrab said: Not sure why you're comparing the Dolphins to the Pats, a team with a HOF coach (those don't come around often) and a well run organization that has been developed by the same HOF coach and those around him. I didn't get that reference either. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caveman_Nick Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 8 hours ago, stevegrab said: Not sure why you're comparing the Dolphins to the Pats, a team with a HOF coach (those don't come around often) and a well run organization that has been developed by the same HOF coach and those around him. Some NFL teams are just well run, others are a joke, my own Browns included most times. Those who cannot find the right guy, and keep trying over and over and over take forever to get good, and it rarely lasts more than a few years. Just because coaches are fired every year, often with 2-3 years or less time, doesn't mean it is the right strategy. Maybe it was here and Flores did all he could, just saying this notion of "well you had 3 years and never made the playoffs do you're fired" is not a sound strategy for success. People hire assistants from NE, at least in part, to bring some of that winning culture along with them. Flores didn’t bring enough of it, or didn’t parlay it into winning soon enough. Easy line to draw. Sorry you can’t see the connection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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