Bender Rodriguez Posted November 20, 2004 Share Posted November 20, 2004 That was incredible! They just called the game because of a near-riot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redcoltfan Posted November 20, 2004 Share Posted November 20, 2004 DETROIT FANS=PUNKS The whole city should be ASHAMED!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCMB Posted November 20, 2004 Share Posted November 20, 2004 I just saw a clip of it on the local (Chicago) news - insane!!!! Looking for more coverage of it, can't tell what the heck happpened there... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puddy Posted November 20, 2004 Share Posted November 20, 2004 I watched it live. The fans were ridiculous but Artest should NOT have went into the stands because of a beer being thrown at him. Ben Wallace took offense to a somewhat hard foul from behind and pushed Artest. Everything escalated and being the end of the game, many fans were drunk. I'm curious to see how this plays out with the league. Even though Ben was wrong for shoving Artest, my guess is that Artest gets the brunt of the punishment for going into the stands. We'll see... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puddy Posted November 20, 2004 Share Posted November 20, 2004 DETROIT FANS=PUNKS The whole city should be ASHAMED!!!!!! 565463[/snapback] This would have happened in ANY city. Three hours in and many beers being consumed. Please don't go Jimmy Kimmel and indict the entire city. Detroit has had several championships since the debacle in '84 with the Tigers without incident. As wrong as the few fans were, Artest has to maintain self control. It was beer being poured on him. No physical danger involved (until after he decided to jump in the stands). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Down Goes Frazia Posted November 20, 2004 Share Posted November 20, 2004 Even though Ben was wrong for shoving Artest, my guess is that Artest gets the brunt of the punishment for going into the stands. We'll see... 565485[/snapback] Artests reputation preceeds him here...... I saw it too. It was a hard foul but Wallace over-reacted becuase it was Artest. Artest is gonna get something serious levied on him here..... at least he got his shot in on that poor sap stupid-ass fan ...... the fan looked like a deer in headlights when Artest got to him. Funny how rapper ronny wanted time off last week to promote his upcoming double platimum album ... now he may get it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redcoltfan Posted November 20, 2004 Share Posted November 20, 2004 Just saw the video again. I am very THANKFUL I don't live anywhere near Detroit. Yes, the entire city should be ashamed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turf Boy Posted November 20, 2004 Share Posted November 20, 2004 Everything would've worked out fine until the fans started throwing things. Artest was avoiding the conflict until a fan hit him in the face with a beer(cup). I believe everyone has a right to defend themselves & that's what happened. The numerous fans who attacked the players should be arrested. As a fan you can talk & taunt all you want. But, when you start throwing items & punches, the players have a right to defend themselves. Unbelievable! For all those saying Artest shouldn't have went after the fan....what would you do if someone through a beer & cup and hit you in the face? The league should defend their players this time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redcoltfan Posted November 20, 2004 Share Posted November 20, 2004 Turf Boy. I agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted November 20, 2004 Share Posted November 20, 2004 Jackson was heavily involved as well. The hilarious thing was the fan hit Artest from behind and Artest just clubbed him. Fit, strong athlete 1 Fat, stupid drunk 0. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puddy Posted November 20, 2004 Share Posted November 20, 2004 Everything would've worked out fine until the fans started throwing things. Artest was avoiding the conflict until a fan hit him in the face with a beer(cup). I believe everyone has a right to defend themselves & that's what happened. The numerous fans who attacked the players should be arrested. As a fan you can talk & taunt all you want. But, when you start throwing items & punches, the players have a right to defend themselves. Unbelievable! For all those saying Artest shouldn't have went after the fan....what would you do if someone through a beer & cup and hit you in the face? The league should defend their players this time. 565525[/snapback] Without a doubt, the fan who threw the beer was in the wrong. Professional athletes know from time to time this is going to happen and unless a more serious (physical) attack occurs, they must turn the other cheek - although I know I'd want the *** dead. The athletes are in a no win situation. They will end up losing money to the league via fines and probably to the fan who started the problem (or an innocent fan nearby - remember the chair throwing incident in baseball this year). As unfair as it is, it is in the athlete's best interest to 'let it go' in those situations. I'm not saying it's right, but it's better for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackshi17 Posted November 20, 2004 Share Posted November 20, 2004 It appear's that the NBA is courting those NHL fans who like the violent fighting aspect of the NHL. Let's get Hockey back so the fights will remain where they belong...on the ice. Going into the stands after fans at no time should be justified. I would be suprised if Artest and the rest don't get suspended for the remainder of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralph Furley Posted November 20, 2004 Share Posted November 20, 2004 The fan Artest went after wasn't even the guy who threw the beer according to one announcer. Poor guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turf Boy Posted November 20, 2004 Share Posted November 20, 2004 Without a doubt, the fan who threw the beer was in the wrong. Professional athletes know from time to time this is going to happen and unless a more serious (physical) attack occurs, they must turn the other cheek - although I know I'd want the *** dead. The athletes are in a no win situation. They will end up losing money to the league via fines and probably to the fan who started the problem (or an innocent fan nearby - remember the chair throwing incident in baseball this year). As unfair as it is, it is in the athlete's best interest to 'let it go' in those situations. I'm not saying it's right, but it's better for them. 565539[/snapback] I agree Puddy that it's in the players best interest to let it go. However, in this case I think the league & law enforcement should make a statement by going after the fans that incited the whole thing & defending the players. Just know as a fan, if you ever in anyway assault a player you'll be prosecuted. A player can't go in the stands over words from a fan. But, when it becomes physical a player should be able to defend themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puddy Posted November 20, 2004 Share Posted November 20, 2004 I agree Puddy that it's in the players best interest to let it go. However, in this case I think the league & law enforcement should make a statement by going after the fans that incited the whole thing & defending the players. Just know as a fan, if you ever in anyway assault a player you'll be prosecuted. A player can't go in the stands over words from a fan. But, when it becomes physical a player should be able to defend themselves. 565578[/snapback] I agree that the fans involved should pay. I hope they can identify them and teach them a lesson. I still think Artest made a mistake. He wasn't really 'defending' himself as he was NOT in imminent danger. His pride was hurt and sometimes that's a hard thing to deal with. He did surprisingly well as far as not reacting to Ben Wallace's agression. But he needed a little more of that self-restraint. Now he will probably pay dearly for his response. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHook Posted November 20, 2004 Share Posted November 20, 2004 As wrong as the few fans were, Artest has to maintain self control. It was beer being poured on him. No physical danger involved (until after he decided to jump in the stands). 565489[/snapback] It was NOT a beer being poured on him. It was a full cup of beer that hit him right in the face. I would've gone in the stands too. Ridiculous. Artest was assaulted and has every right to defend himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bender Rodriguez Posted November 20, 2004 Author Share Posted November 20, 2004 DETROIT FANS=PUNKS The whole city should be ASHAMED!!!!!! 565463[/snapback] I few drunk idiots do not represent an entire city. Besides, most of the fans had cleared out by that time anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turf Boy Posted November 20, 2004 Share Posted November 20, 2004 I agree that the fans involved should pay. I hope they can identify them and teach them a lesson. I still think Artest made a mistake. He wasn't really 'defending' himself as he was NOT in imminent danger. His pride was hurt and sometimes that's a hard thing to deal with. He did surprisingly well as far as not reacting to Ben Wallace's agression. But he needed a little more of that self-restraint. Now he will probably pay dearly for his response. 565588[/snapback] I agree it would've been in Artest's best interest to not go after the fan, but, I can't fault him. What he'll probably be really sorry about is it sounds like he got the wrong fan. He may pay dearly for that! (rigthfully so) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bender Rodriguez Posted November 20, 2004 Author Share Posted November 20, 2004 It was NOT a beer being poured on him. It was a full cup of beer that hit him right in the face. I would've gone in the stands too. Ridiculous. Artest was assaulted and has every right to defend himself. 565608[/snapback] Except it looks like he went after the wrong guy. You just can't go blindly throwing punches at the fans when you get some beer thrown on you. Not defending the fans' actions, just saying that a professional athlete should show a bit more restraint. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHook Posted November 20, 2004 Share Posted November 20, 2004 (edited) we have no idea if it was the right fan or not, it is not on tape. He sure had a guilty look on his face. Or perhaps it was "Oh ***" face. Edited November 20, 2004 by CaptainHook Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bender Rodriguez Posted November 20, 2004 Author Share Posted November 20, 2004 we have no idea if it was the right fan or not, he sure had a guilty look on his face. Or perhaps it was "Oh ***" face. 565615[/snapback] Either way, it looked more like an oh $h!t face to me. :eek: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHook Posted November 20, 2004 Share Posted November 20, 2004 (edited) Going into the stands after fans at no time should be justified. I would be suprised if Artest and the rest don't get suspended for the remainder of the season. 565562[/snapback] I don't think he should be suspended for defending himself. I agree, players CANNOT go after fans for insults, slurs, etc. But once Artest was assaulted, he has every right to react. Edited November 20, 2004 by CaptainHook Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turf Boy Posted November 20, 2004 Share Posted November 20, 2004 (edited) I don't think he should be suspended for defending himself. I agree, players CANNOT go after fans for insults, slurs, etc. But once Artest was assaulted, he has every right to react. 565619[/snapback] I agree with you on that Hook. Throw something at a player & expect to get your A$$ kicked. ANYONE should be able to defend themselves period! Just because they have a uniform on doesn't take that right from them. Again, it would've been in Artest's best interest to not go in the stands. But, I don't see how anyone can blame him. Edited November 20, 2004 by Turf Boy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bender Rodriguez Posted November 20, 2004 Author Share Posted November 20, 2004 I don't think he should be suspended for defending himself. I agree, players CANNOT go after fans for insults, slurs, etc. But once Artest was assaulted, he has every right to react. 565619[/snapback] It looked more like retaliation than reaction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralph Furley Posted November 20, 2004 Share Posted November 20, 2004 Except it looks like he went after the wrong guy. You just can't go blindly throwing punches at the fans when you get some beer thrown on you. Not defending the fans' actions, just saying that a professional athlete should show a bit more restraint. 565614[/snapback] I agree with you 100% on that. If that wasn't the guy, he will be paid some big bucks later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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