CaptainHook Posted November 20, 2004 Share Posted November 20, 2004 (edited) Imagine you are in a bar and someone INTENTIONALLY throws a full cup that hits you in the face. What are you gonna do? He has assaulted you and is fair game for an a$$ beating. Edited November 20, 2004 by CaptainHook Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackshi17 Posted November 20, 2004 Share Posted November 20, 2004 I know it sounds wierd but check with a lawyer or cop. Once the threat is gone you are not defending yourself. Going into the stands is retalliation not a defensive move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Rose Posted November 20, 2004 Share Posted November 20, 2004 Man, I miss hockey!! I've been trying to become more of a NBA fan and dammit this helps!! I live in Detroit and will in no way try to stick up for the idiots who instigated and then actively participated in the fighting. Hey folks,you pay your money to WATCH the game. Years of classy and respect filled celebrations of championships have now been wiped out by a small faction of fools. I've never been more proud to be A RED WINGS fan!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHook Posted November 20, 2004 Share Posted November 20, 2004 Idiot Detroit CEO says "sometimes player taunt fans". Like it's Artest's fault a guy hit him in the face. That's bull. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHook Posted November 20, 2004 Share Posted November 20, 2004 (edited) Detroit Deputy Chief of Police just said on ESPNEWS you MAY take action to defend yourself if an object is thrown at you. Edited November 20, 2004 by CaptainHook Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puddy Posted November 20, 2004 Share Posted November 20, 2004 Imagine you are in a bar and someone INTENTIONALLY throws a full cup that hits you in the face. What are you gonna do? He has assaulted you and is fair game for an a$$ beating. 565631[/snapback]     No doubt about it. The question is how much cash is the player willing to part with for the satisfaction of settling the score. Artest's reputation will not help him here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHook Posted November 20, 2004 Share Posted November 20, 2004 (edited) No doubt about it. The question is how much cash is the player willing to part with for the satisfaction of settling the score. Artest's reputation will not help him here. 565657[/snapback]     none. Fan started the altercation. If you start the fight by assaulting a player, you aren't gonna win a dime. Edited November 20, 2004 by CaptainHook Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puddy Posted November 20, 2004 Share Posted November 20, 2004 none. Fan started the altercation. 565658[/snapback]     I think that's naive. We all know at a minimum, he will be suspended without pay by the NBA. And if he truly reacted against the wrong person, he will pay much more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHook Posted November 20, 2004 Share Posted November 20, 2004 (edited) I think that's naive. We all know at a minimum, he will be suspended without pay by the NBA. And if he truly reacted against the wrong person, he will pay much more. 565659[/snapback]     Yeah, if he got the wrong guy, it's gonna be a problem. Who threw it is not on tape though. Plus, Ron did not appear to throw a punch at that guy. He just grabbed him and pushed him down. Don't think you can prove damages from that.  How 'bout the guy that Artest drills in the face for coming at him on the floor? And just as he's clearing the cobwebs, Jermaine O'neal CLEANS HIS CLOCK. That had to hurt. Edited November 20, 2004 by CaptainHook Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puddy Posted November 20, 2004 Share Posted November 20, 2004 Yeah, if he got the wrong guy, it's gonna be a problem. Who threw it is not on tape though. 565661[/snapback]     I think I've sounded like I'm in the fan's court. I absolutely am not. I'm just trying to make the point that as unfair as it is, athletes would be better off not reacting. There were probably thousands of times during Jackie Robinson's career that he would have been justified kicking the crap out of some fans (probably every game he played), however he endured the taunts, etc. I think it's part of the reason he is so well respected today (that and he was a hell of a player). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHook Posted November 20, 2004 Share Posted November 20, 2004 Oh, I agree completely. Pacers should have tried to stay out of the stands. I'm just saying, I can COMPLETELY understand the reaction. If I got drilled in the face with a cup of beer, I'd be mad as heck. In the heat of the moment, I understand Artest's reaction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Rose Posted November 20, 2004 Share Posted November 20, 2004 Just heard an interview with the guy Artest grabbed in the crowd on the local(Detroit)sports station....."He said Artest grabbed me and pushed me down by the throat and asked if I threw the beer at him....I kept saying no and he pretty much let me go at that point. He never hit me or anything that violent." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puddy Posted November 20, 2004 Share Posted November 20, 2004 That fan must have really been pissed. I mean I've been to the Palace. Those beers are $8.50 each Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHook Posted November 20, 2004 Share Posted November 20, 2004 (edited) Jim Gray said it was the guy next to the guy that Artest attacked. He was wearing a blue shirt and a hat. As the melee continues, the guy punches Artest in the back of the head like a total coward. Artest catches him with an elbow, and then punches him in the head. Â So not only does the guy in the hat start the whole incident by throwing the full cup, but he also throws the first punch. I hope they find out who he is and he is prosecuted. Edited November 20, 2004 by CaptainHook Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turf Boy Posted November 20, 2004 Share Posted November 20, 2004 Just heard an interview with the guy Artest grabbed in the crowd on the local(Detroit)sports station....."He said Artest grabbed me and pushed me down by the throat and asked if I threw the beer at him....I kept saying no and he pretty much let me go at that point. He never hit me or anything that violent."Â 565666[/snapback] Â Â Â Â Good. I'm pretty sure it was the fool in the white hat who was holding Artest & ended up hitting him in the head a couple times. Â The more I watch it, the more I can't believe the actions of so many fans(it wasn't just a couple). The Detroit fans & Detroit brass are the biggest losers in my book. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puddy Posted November 20, 2004 Share Posted November 20, 2004 The Detroit fans & Detroit brass are the biggest losers in my book. 565673[/snapback]     The Detroit brass is Joe Dumars. He's one of the most respected and well liked people in the league. Please try and refrain from painting with such a broad brush. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHook Posted November 20, 2004 Share Posted November 20, 2004 (edited) I agree that there is not much the Detroit front office could have done to prevent this. I do wonder where the cops were though. Like I said earlier though, the Pistons CEO who went on ESPN and acted like the Pacers' players had some responsibility for what the fans did was completely classless and stupid. Edited November 20, 2004 by CaptainHook Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turf Boy Posted November 20, 2004 Share Posted November 20, 2004 The Detroit brass is Joe Dumars. He's one of the most respected and well liked people in the league. Please try and refrain from painting with such a broad brush. 565674[/snapback]     Come On! One person isn't the brass. I like Joe D. I'm talking about the tool CEO who was trying to deflect the blame to everyone other than the fans & total lack of security. Watch the tape & tell me how many security folks you see around the players. By the time all hell broke loose there should've been enough security to escort all of the players off the floor. I hardly saw any security. That is the responsibility of front office, ie brass, ie higher ups. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turf Boy Posted November 20, 2004 Share Posted November 20, 2004 Stephen A. Smith just said on ESPN that the players should've been better protected. I CAN'T AGREE MORE. The only people I saw protecting players were other players & coaches, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puddy Posted November 20, 2004 Share Posted November 20, 2004 I agree that there is not much the Detroit front office could have done to prevent this. I do wonder where the cops were though. Like I said earlier though, the Pistons CEO who went on ESPN and acted like the Pacers' players had some responsibility for what the fans did was completely classless and stupid. 565681[/snapback]     Hook, you're right. The fan who threw the beer is completely to blame. I didn't see the quote from the CEO (I'm assuming it was Tom Wilson). But can you see a connection with the players entering the stands and the secondary reaction by the fans - throwing beer and such at all the Indiana players as they went to the locker room. From the standpoint, the players do share some of the blame. Without them going into the stands, the game ends and the Pacers celebrate a blowout on the Pistons floor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piratesownninjas Posted November 20, 2004 Share Posted November 20, 2004 The fan that got attacked wasnt the guy who threw the beer... If im at a game and an *** thows a beer at shaq, I want to know that im not going to get my ass kicked... If Spree gets banned for a season, Jackson, Artest, and O Neil should have LIFE TIME BANS... no way to justify it what-so-ever... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHook Posted November 20, 2004 Share Posted November 20, 2004 The fan that got attacked wasnt the guy who threw the beer... If im at a game and an *** thows a beer at shaq, I want to know that im not going to get my ass kicked...If Spree gets banned for a season, Jackson, Artest, and O Neil should have LIFE TIME BANS... no way to justify it what-so-ever... Â 565697[/snapback] Â Â Â Â you are dead wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHook Posted November 20, 2004 Share Posted November 20, 2004 (edited) The guy wasnt throwing punches in the back of Artests head, he was holding him back from kicking his friends ass...You should be ashamed of yourself for defending a dickhead that hurts sports in general... Â 565701[/snapback] Â Â Â Â keep watching. ESPN slows it down and shows him CLEARLY hitting Artest in the back of the head at least twice. The guy Ron went after was not harmed, as he stated on radio as reported in an earlier post. Ron was assaulted, and reacted. Â And so you know, the dickhead was the guy in the white hat who allegedly threw the beer, and then punched Ron from behind like a complete coward. Â Ahh, I see you deleted that post. I guess you've watched it now. Â All the NBA players are saying the fan's cross a line when they attack with physical violence. "Any player in the league" would react that way is what they are saying. Edited November 20, 2004 by CaptainHook Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piratesownninjas Posted November 20, 2004 Share Posted November 20, 2004 its really a moot point... Bottom line is that reguardless if someone throws a beer at you or not, as a proffesional athlete, you have to be smart enough to know that you CANT go into the crowd and attack someone... Your talking about how the guy in the hat hit Artest in the back of the head... Why was Artest back facing the guy? Because he was attacking an innocent by standerd... Artest's actions can not be defended... Steven Jackson going up there and throwing punches as well... Jermain Oneil... it doesnt matter... Life Times bans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHook Posted November 20, 2004 Share Posted November 20, 2004 (edited) lol, you are an idiot. Â YOU CAN DEFEND YOURSELF. Yes, it would have been better to no go in. But people who are threatened can defend themselves in the heat of the moment. NFL Players Association will fight this, you can bet. Steven Jackson goes into the stands to get Artest when someone just SOAKS them both with beer. He hits the guy. O'Neil hits a guy who comes onto the court. Both were justified in my opinion. Â Every idiot fan who threw ANYTHING should also get lifetime bans by that logic. Edited November 20, 2004 by CaptainHook Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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