Caveman_Nick Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 From NFL.Com Manning 6 Brady 2 McNabb 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolv Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 Elway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh 0ne Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 Now that makes no sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rajncajn Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 Although Manning may have better skills than the others he's also been known to get frustrated & choke from time-to-time. Brady always seems to keep a cool head & keep a good focus on what needs to be done in order to win. That attitude projects to his players & IMO makes him a better choice when the game is on the line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatman Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 Yeah, Brady really should be number one, then Manning. McNabb doesn't even deserve a vote - what pressure situation has he exceeded in? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Men In Tights Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 Yeah, Brady really should be number one, then Manning. McNabb doesn't even deserve a vote - what pressure situation has he exceeded in? 602927[/snapback] Maybe they are thinking about any other situation besides an NFC Championship game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gilthorp Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 The recent Baltimore game is just another example of why Brady is the guy to have behind center...at least within the system he is playing in. The guy doesn't lose his cool and delivers when he needs to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadiedave Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 Call me "Old School", but I'd still like to have Farve !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double Reverse Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 AJ Feely Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redcoltfan Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 Game on the line? Down 3 with 2 minutes left give me Manning- EVERY TIME. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WaterMan Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 Brady got 2? That's crazy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatman Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 Maybe they are thinking about any other situation besides an NFC Championship game. 602968[/snapback] Even still, what non-NFC Championship game situation has McNabb proved himself to be a "game on the line QB"? I can't think of many (any) off-hand... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh 0ne Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 The two guys that can't win the big game are on the list. Too funny. Morans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steeler Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 AJ Feely 603000[/snapback] He's talking about the guy who can help his own team win in crunch time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunysteelfly76 Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 I hate the Pats, but I would have to say Brady. He's already proven it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steeler Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 The answer is Brady.... based on the two Super Bowl alone is enough to give it to him. But I like what I've seen from Big Ben so far Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caveman_Nick Posted December 10, 2004 Author Share Posted December 10, 2004 I thought their selection of Manning was a bit...odd, but he has been doing it this year. Brady has the history, and Manning and McNabb have bad history, but it looks like these guys think this is the year for the Colts. It's hard to argue with. There really are 5-6 very good teams going into the playoffs this year, and only one of those is from the NFC. The playoff games are going to be amazingly good :drool: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh 0ne Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 There is NO WAY the Colts win the Super Bowl this year. They CAN NOT beat teams with good defenses IMO. Manning feels the need to score a lot because of his bad defense, and good defenses (Pittsburgh or New England) will exploit that and force him into mistakes. Same ol', same ol'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WaterMan Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 There is NO WAY the Colts win the Super Bowl this year. They CAN NOT beat teams with good defenses IMO. Manning feels the need to score a lot because of his bad defense, and good defenses (Pittsburgh or New England) will exploit that and force him into mistakes. Same ol', same ol'. 603049[/snapback] You better duck and cover before Bill sees that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caveman_Nick Posted December 10, 2004 Author Share Posted December 10, 2004 The colts defense has really improved in the second half of the season....or at least they played the Lions and the Bears Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHook Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 Manning 6Brady 2 McNabb 1 602877[/snapback] I think they were going by the theory "all things equal." Check Manning's fourth quarter and overtime comebacks, and you'll see why. Just because you haven't been in that position in a Super Bowl doesn't mean you are incapable. Dan Marino was unbelievable when his team needed a score inside two minutes. Does that not count because he didn't win a Super Bowl? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 Yeah, Brady really should be number one, then Manning. McNabb doesn't even deserve a vote - what pressure situation has he exceeded in? 602927[/snapback] Maybe 4th and 26? And I'm a Packer fan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steeler Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 Just because you haven't been in that position in a Super Bowl doesn't mean you are incapable.603338[/snapback] That's true, but being in two Superbowls and driving your team for the winning score in BOTH of them means there is actual, tangible proof that you can do it on the biggest stage in football. The other guys you mentioned "might" be able to do it on that stage.... Brady has done it twice.... he gets my vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Sores Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 Best in the NFC....from JSONILE.COM Late last week, the Journal Sentinel asked 13 personnel people, eight working for NFC teams and five for AFC teams, to rank the NFC's best quarterbacks from 1-to-4 on the basis of whom they would want to win a big playoff game this year. No scouts from Green Bay, Philadelphia, Minnesota or Atlanta were asked to participate. Survey says! Favre won in a landslide, piling up 11 first-place votes compared to one for Culpepper and one for Vick. Using a system in which one point was assigned for a first-place vote, two for a second and so on, Favre was the runaway winner with 17 points. McNabb totaled 35, Culpepper was third with 36 and Vick finished last with 42. "If I was in a two-minute drill and I needed a touchdown to win, I'd definitely take Favre first," Carolina Panthers director of pro scouting Mark Koncz said. "But any of those four would be dangerous. I'd hate to face any of the four because three of the four can run and the fourth might be the best of all-time in comeback wins." Handicapping according to the matchup of quarterbacks goes on all the time even though they're obviously never on the field at the same time. It might go on even more next month because none of the top contenders in the NFC has a dominating defense. Philadelphia's is the highest ranked at No. 15, followed by Atlanta's at No. 19, Green Bay's at No. 24 and Minnesota's at No. 27. "Defenses definitely win," Newsome said. "But you need a steely quarterback in the end that can bring it on through. When everything's pretty much even and it's going back and forth and when it really gets thick, I think (Favre) will come through. It's a no-brainer. He's done it. You can't dispute it." Favre played just about as well as any quarterback ever has in the 1996 playoffs when his three-game rating of 107.5 resulted in a Super Bowl victory. "I don't think it's even close," an NFC scout said. "Favre doesn't run like he used to but look at his game. It's as good as it ever was. That's because he's a great passer and has great instincts in the passing game. I've only been doing this for 13 years but besides John Elway he's the greatest player I've seen." One scout referred to Favre as the "best leader in the NFL." Koncz described Favre as "having that magical touch about him." Another scout said Favre "has an aura about him where he makes people believe." "It's like a singer never loses his voice," an NFC personnel director said. "This guy has never lost his arm. As long as he keeps that arm he can always change the game. Some of his weapons on offense are starting to mature and he never gets touched. He's got an outstanding offensive line, clearly the best of the NFC contenders." All about playoffs Favre doesn't need another Super Bowl or productive playoff run to be a first-ballot Hall of Famer. However, his team will need him to play better in the postseason than he has since the Packers beat New England in Super Bowl XXXI. The victory over the Patriots was Favre's 10th playoff game. His cumulative playoff rating at that point was 94.7. In Favre's nine playoff games since then his rating is 77.4. Overall, he stands at 86.1. Favre failed to generate a point in the final three series of the Super Bowl loss to Denver. Counting that defeat, he's 2-5 in his last seven playoff games. And his rating in the Packers' elimination games against St. Louis, Atlanta and Philadelphia the last three years is a mere 54.3. When the Packers and Eagles kick off late this afternoon at Lincoln Financial Field, memories of Favre's horrible interception in overtime last January on the same field remain fresh. Whereas Favre hasn't guided the Packers to an NFC Championship Game in the last six years after taking them to three in a row, McNabb has directed the Eagles to the last three and Culpepper brought the Vikings to one as a first-year starter in 2000. McNabb's rating in nine playoff appearances is 75. In two games apiece, Culpepper is at 67.1 and Vick at 66.3. "McNabb has been to the NFC Championship Game a couple times but couldn't get over the hump," an NFC scout said. "Vick got a little taste of it two years ago and Culpepper has been on the fringe a little bit. I don't think you can simulate big-game experience. It's a hard thing to overcome." When you examine the list of quarterbacks for NFC playoff teams since the early 1990s, the group this year harkens back to the days when Dallas' Troy Aikman, San Francisco's Steve Young and a developing Favre were the big names. The only crop that might go as deep as the current one in terms of having four dynamic quarterbacks was 1998, but Aikman and Young were nearing the end and both Randall Cunningham and Chris Chandler were in their mid-30s. Only Favre was in the prime of his career. Today, who can say what lies ahead for McNabb, Culpepper and Vick? Their common denominators are powerful arms, running ability that rivals almost any quarterback ever to play the game and tremendous leadership traits. They're also all African-American quarterbacks, a fact that wasn't lost on Newsome, a safety for the Rams and Browns from 1983-'92 when the position wasn't as integrated as it is today. "When I started playing it was unheard of," said Newsome, who is black. "It dispels the myth and proves that given the opportunity anybody can play any position. Nowadays, you need that player to be smart and athletic because it's a fast game. There's only so long a line can hold and then you've got to improvise with your legs." Rising star McNabb's statistics are way up due in large part to Terrell Owens, the Eagles' first elite wide receiver during his tenure. The only stain on his resume are passer ratings of 73.1 (St. Louis, 2001), 58.5 (Tampa Bay, '02) and 19.3 (Carolina, '03) in the Eagles' three straight title game defeats. The panel of 13 scouts predicted that McNabb and the Eagles would clear that hurdle this year. Philadelphia received the vote of nine scouts to represent the NFC in the Super Bowl, followed by Green Bay with two and Atlanta one. A final scout said it was too close to call. Culpepper has reduced his turnovers dramatically and seems more steady in the pocket. "He came out of the blocks playing a lot better than he has at any point of his career," an NFC scout said. "He's still around 70% completion rate. Naturally, when you take the best player (Randy Moss) off a team, his performance will slide. But he's still been able to play at a high level." Several scouts remembered what Vick did to the Packers in the wild-card playoffs two years ago at Lambeau Field. Arizona contained him by using a five-man front early in the season, but most teams cannot contain him so he runs all over the field. "For one game, he may lay an egg, like he has done," another NFC scout said. "But he can win a game instantly in the playoffs. He is the most dangerous guy." "Atlanta will rise and fall on how he plays," Newsome said. "He's going to be that guy but he's still kind of refining what he does." Some scouts question the Packers' defense. Others don't like their chances if they must travel to the Georgia Dome in Atlanta. One scout even said the Packers might be peaking too soon. Of this, however, there is precious little disagreement: the Packers possess the player at the most prominent position that opponents fear the most. And, mostly because of Brett Favre, they have a legitimate chance to become the first 1-4 team in history either to reach an NFL Championship Game or Super Bowl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAUgrad Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 Elway hands down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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