T-Scorp Posted February 23, 2005 Share Posted February 23, 2005 St Paul Pioneer Press is reporting that the Vikings have agreed to trade Randy Moss to Oakland for the #7 pick overall in this years draft and a defensive starter supposedly Napolean Harris. I don't know much about Harris other thatn he is a linebacker but if true this is a really bad deal for the Vikings. With the Vikings lloking to change ownership and working to get a stadium I would think you would need Randy to sell tickets! Plus a #1 and an ok LB is not really that great a deal. I hope this is not true..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Sores Posted February 23, 2005 Share Posted February 23, 2005 RectumFire beat you to it. Does that happen a lot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaP'N GRuNGe Posted February 23, 2005 Share Posted February 23, 2005 St Paul Pioneer Press is reporting that the Vikings have agreed to trade Randy Moss to Oakland for the #7 pick overall in this years draft and a defensive starter supposedly Napolean Harris. I don't know much about Harris other thatn he is a linebacker but if true this is a really bad deal for the Vikings. With the Vikings lloking to change ownership and working to get a stadium I would think you would need Randy to sell tickets! Plus a #1 and an ok LB is not really that great a deal. I hope this is not true..... 709101[/snapback] If this rumor turns out to be true, i'm extremely pissed off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gspot Posted February 23, 2005 Share Posted February 23, 2005 If this rumor turns out to be true, i'm extremely pissed off. 709113[/snapback] Wow, as a non-Vikings fan, I think this would be a GREAT deal for Minnie!!! With a top 10 in the first round, the Vikings will be guaranteed an impact player and Harris gives them much needed help on defensive side. When you factor in getting rid of Moss's failure to block, taking plays off, and detrimental behavior, it gets even better with addition by subtraction! The team can win without Moss, as its problems are on the defensive side of the ball, not scoring points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted February 23, 2005 Share Posted February 23, 2005 Wow, as a non-Vikings fan, I think this would be a GREAT deal for Minnie!!! With a top 10 in the first round, the Vikings will be guaranteed an impact player and Harris gives them much needed help on defensive side. When you factor in getting rid of Moss's failure to block, taking plays off, and detrimental behavior, it gets even better with addition by subtraction! The team can win without Moss, as its problems are on the defensive side of the ball, not scoring points. 709138[/snapback] I agree.... one option would be to use both picks to trade up in the 1st and take an extra later round pick... but I think having 2 1st rounders can only help and would be the best option for them.... this can only help the Vikings... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaP'N GRuNGe Posted February 23, 2005 Share Posted February 23, 2005 Only NON-Vikings fans would think the problem lies in the offense. There is NO EXCUSE for a team that is $30 million under the cap to trade away the top WR in the game who does nothing but put up huge numbers and put butts in the seats and sell merchandise. The whole attitude issue is COMPLETELY overblown by the MEDIA. The defense could be completely and drastically improved by spending that cap space without trading away the future hall of fame WR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted February 23, 2005 Share Posted February 23, 2005 Only NON-Vikings fans would think the problem lies in the offense. There is NO EXCUSE for a team that is $30 million under the cap to trade away the top WR in the game who does nothing but put up huge numbers and put butts in the seats and sell merchandise. The whole attitude issue is COMPLETELY overblown by the MEDIA. The defense could be completely and drastically improved by spending that cap space without trading away the future hall of fame WR. 709184[/snapback] addition by subtraction....he's a cancer.... when anyone admits to taking plays off....he's already held a sign above his head "FREE CANCER HERE" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexgaddis Posted February 23, 2005 Share Posted February 23, 2005 As a Vikings fan, I have to agree with G-spot.. We aren't going to win a super bowl with Moss...and that IS the ultimate goal here...get better on defense, let culpepper lead the team and win a *** championship! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaP'N GRuNGe Posted February 23, 2005 Share Posted February 23, 2005 addition by subtraction....he's a cancer.... when anyone admits to taking plays off....he's already held a sign above his head "FREE CANCER HERE" 709190[/snapback] For the 4 millionth time, Randy NEVER stated that. He was asked if Carter motivated him to play hard. Randy stated "I play when I WANT to play." He motivates himself. It's amazing how the rubes latch onto misleading media reports and take it as gospel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted February 23, 2005 Share Posted February 23, 2005 For the 4 millionth time, Randy NEVER stated that. He was asked if Carter motivated him to play hard. Randy stated "I play when I WANT to play." He motivates himself. It's amazing how the rubes latch onto misleading media reports and take it as gospel. 709201[/snapback] "when" I want to play?.... also...who's the one jogging carelessly when his number isn't called... oh that's right... " " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaP'N GRuNGe Posted February 23, 2005 Share Posted February 23, 2005 "when" I want to play?.... also...who's the one jogging carelessly when his number isn't called... oh that's right... " " 709205[/snapback] Yeah, with numbers like these he must be the ultimate slacker. +--------------------------+-------------------------+ | Rushing | Receiving |+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+| Year TM | G | Att Yards Y/A TD | Rec Yards Y/R TD |+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+| 1998 min | 16 | 1 4 4.0 0 | 69 1313 19.0 17 || 1999 min | 16 | 4 43 10.8 0 | 80 1413 17.7 11 || 2000 min | 16 | 3 5 1.7 0 | 77 1437 18.7 15 || 2001 min | 16 | 3 38 12.7 0 | 82 1233 15.0 10 || 2002 min | 16 | 6 51 8.5 0 | 106 1347 12.7 7 || 2003 min | 16 | 6 18 3.0 0 | 111 1632 14.7 17 || 2004 min | 13 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 49 767 15.7 13 |+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+| TOTAL | 109 | 23 159 6.9 0 | 574 9142 15.9 90 |+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Scorp Posted February 23, 2005 Author Share Posted February 23, 2005 I agree with the Captain, this is going to hurt the Vikings more than help them. Instead of spending CAP room on defense you trade a way your most explosive player for an average LB and a high 1st round pick. Now you have to spend $$ on a unproven rookie who will want huge $$ even though he has never played in the NFL. Culpepper will drop in my rankings as he was horrible without Moss. My feeling is that the Vikings will now become a running team. Look for them to try and pound the ball and occassionaly throw the deep. Look for Duante's numbers to drop. As far as the #7 pick over the past 10 years the number 7 pick has yielded Terry Glenn -She never really developed Ike Hillard -ok second receiver Kyle Turley - decent lineman Champ Bailey - stud Thomas Jones -never lived up to potential Andre Carter - ok DB for San Fran Byant McKinney - been a good lineman but no probowls Byron Leftwhich -young gun could have great future Roy Williams -showed potential until he got hurt but not the impact Randy ad his rookie year. None of which have the impact that Randy Moss has had. The only hope is thatn Mike Williams is still around or a stud LB is there at the #7 pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Czarina Posted February 23, 2005 Share Posted February 23, 2005 How the heck are the Raiders going to take on a guy like Moss and his contract when they're already something like $10mill over the cap? Since they resigned Porter, etc., I guess they've decided to have kick ass WR and nothing to go with it this year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhippens Posted February 23, 2005 Share Posted February 23, 2005 i don't think it's important to look at who has been picked at the number 7 slot, it's more important to look at what the vikings did with their first round picks which is a quite impressive list over the past 10 years or so. names like robert smith, culpepper, moss, hovan, bennett, mckinnie, williams....mckinnie was picked at 7, everyone else was lower. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatman Posted February 23, 2005 Share Posted February 23, 2005 I agree.... one option would be to use both picks to trade up in the 1st and take an extra later round pick... but I think having 2 1st rounders can only help and would be the best option for them.... this can only help the Vikings... 709149[/snapback] Problem is, who would you trade up for? No clear cut favorite to move into top 1-3 (which is what I'd have to assume you'd get for two first round picks. I'm with you - keep the two picks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Scorp Posted February 23, 2005 Author Share Posted February 23, 2005 Don't forget Underwood (2nd #1 in 1999-Culpepper was 1st #1) Derrick Alexander and Korey Stringer '95 Duane Clemens '96 Dwayne Rudd '97 Udeze '04 These guys did nothng for the team (except Stringer but he is no longer with us.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forever in debt to mo lewis Posted February 23, 2005 Share Posted February 23, 2005 hahah Mort just said the Vikes asked about Ed Reed and Terrell Suggs in talks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azazello1313 Posted February 23, 2005 Share Posted February 23, 2005 wow. is minny that stupid? yeah, moss can be a distraction, but he also might just be the best f'n player in the league. wow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meat Face Posted February 23, 2005 Share Posted February 23, 2005 Cpep's fantasy value is dropping like a rock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yo mama Posted February 23, 2005 Share Posted February 23, 2005 Cpep's fantasy value is dropping like a rock. 709318[/snapback] Let it. I posted this in the other thread, but it's equally applicable here: Let's review some Culpepper stats from last season: - most passing yards (4717) - 2nd best QB rating of the the regular starters (110.9) - 2nd best completion ratio of the regular starters (69.2%) - 2nd most passing TDs (39) - only a moderate number of INTs (11) The only major negative stat from last year was that Culpepper was tied with Vick for being sacked the 2nd most times of any QB: 46 times. Granted, how free agency and the draft play out will have a major impact on Culpepper's value. But he's valuable with or without Moss. Though, McNabb and Manning certainly go first. Long story short, Culpepper put up those stats without Moss at 100% (or at all) for a decent chunk of time. I'd buy into Culpepper late 2nd round, early 3rd without hesitation if the draft were today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gspot Posted February 24, 2005 Share Posted February 24, 2005 "when" I want to play?.... also...who's the one jogging carelessly when his number isn't called... oh that's right... " " 709205[/snapback] Exactly Avie. I am beginning to think Grundge is Moss's Mamma! I simply have no idea how much tape anyone has to see with Randy taking 3 steps off the line and standing still when a run play is called or he is being used as a decoy. My buddy has nearly every Vikings game on tape for the last two seasons and you can clearly see at least 15 plays/game when Randy completely lets everyone on the field know the play call by his lack of effort. From jogging into routes, failing to block, and STANDING, I MEAN STANDING ON THE LINE, anyone who fails to view Moss as a cancer clearly is intent on defying logic. Sure, they can use the cap space to shore up the defense, but getting essentially two first picks for a player coming into his 9th season is good deal. There is no question in my mind, the Vikings mid-season swoon each season cannot be partially linked to Randy Moss and his lack of team-play! His lack of leadership and attitude is no question a cancer. And please don't give me his stats. The dude is freak and it is very common for Randy to make 3 catches for 110 yards and TD. Yes, that looks nice, but when you factor in his failure to block, play each play, and failure between the two big plays a game, one can argue he actually does more harm than good. Striking quick for a 80 yard TD is great, but being a total team player is more important. Maybe Big Al can get him to block and run on every play? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexgaddis Posted February 24, 2005 Share Posted February 24, 2005 Maybe Big Al can get him to block and run on every play? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebellab Posted February 24, 2005 Share Posted February 24, 2005 709912[/snapback] Moss will probably behave himself for a year or two. He is the outsider coming in, not the drafted player on the drafting team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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