Guest Sores Posted February 24, 2005 Share Posted February 24, 2005 Former Green Bay Packers General Manager Ron Wolf admitted his organization did not draft Moss because of character concerns. In hindsight, Wolf said he could "live with that baggage." "If I had the benefit of a second guess or whatever you call it," Wolf said, "I should have taken that guy. "This is one player who in my time in Green Bay turned the division around and turned the game around. ... All that trouble [the Packers] had with the Cowboys where we could never beat them in Dallas [in the 1990s], Moss was as big a thorn in the side of the Packers." Instead we draft Vonnie Holliday! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatman Posted February 24, 2005 Share Posted February 24, 2005 Instead we draft Vonnie Holliday! 710428[/snapback] Hey, he did have five sacks against the Bills that one time, remember? That was pretty cool. And maybe a fumble or two that game... Randy Moss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piranha Posted February 24, 2005 Share Posted February 24, 2005 I remember nobody wanted Moss cause of the 'attention' he got off of the field. I think he sat til 21st. I'm sure 20 other teams are kicking themselves too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whiskey Pimp Posted February 24, 2005 Share Posted February 24, 2005 Didn't the Chiefs just release the same Vonnie Holliday? Hindsight...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rajncajn Posted February 24, 2005 Share Posted February 24, 2005 Instead we draft Vonnie Holliday! 710428[/snapback] But isn't Holliday the best player the Chiefs have on defense? Didn't the Chiefs just release the same Vonnie Holliday? Hindsight...... 710467[/snapback] Oh yeah...THAT Vonnie Holliday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHook Posted February 24, 2005 Share Posted February 24, 2005 I remember nobody wanted Moss cause of the 'attention' he gotoff of the field. I think he sat til 21st. I'm sure 20 other teams are kicking themselves too. 710457[/snapback] I'm pretty happy with getting Peyton Manning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Sores Posted February 24, 2005 Share Posted February 24, 2005 I still remember that draft....sitting there watching Moss fall into the Packers lap (after they had traded up)...thinking they finally were going to draft a weapon for Brett....then watching as they unbelieveably went for Holliday. Perhaps second only to drafting Rich Campbell with a top 10 pick and passing on Joe Montana (tie) in terms of Packer draft day blunders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Sores Posted February 24, 2005 Share Posted February 24, 2005 BTW....I don't count Mandarich....he was a consensus #1 pick coming out. But yeah...it woulda been nice to have Barry or Deion that year... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMD Posted February 24, 2005 Share Posted February 24, 2005 Part of the falling of Moss stemmed from Lawrence Phillips coming out in '96 and showing that yes, baggage and a bad rep can mean a costly dud in the draft. Moss entered the picture too close to Phillips crash and burn and he paid a price for that. The league was very sensitive about "problem players" at that time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHook Posted February 24, 2005 Share Posted February 24, 2005 (edited) I remember sitting there wondering how much further he would drop. Since the Colts had the first pick in the second round, I was holding to the slim hope that Moss would somehow fall out of the first round. Manning and Moss in the same draft, how sweet could that have been! Instead, the Vikings took Moss, and the Colts drafted Jerome Pathon. :doah: Edited February 24, 2005 by CaptainHook Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skrappy1 Posted February 24, 2005 Share Posted February 24, 2005 Part of the falling of Moss stemmed from Lawrence Phillips coming out in '96 and showing that yes, baggage and a bad rep can mean a costly dud in the draft. Moss entered the picture too close to Phillips crash and burn and he paid a price for that. The league was very sensitive about "problem players" at that time. 710623[/snapback] Very true about Phillips DMD. Man, I never really thought about it before, but Favre's arm + Randy Moss's speed would have been fun to watch (not to slight Culpepper who also has a cannon for an arm). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chavez Posted February 25, 2005 Share Posted February 25, 2005 .then watching as they unbelieveably went for Holliday. Perhaps second only to drafting Rich Campbell with a top 10 pick and passing on Joe Montana (tie) in terms of Packer draft day blunders. 710530[/snapback] Whoa, whoa whoa - let's not get ahead of ourselves. For one, Holiday wasn't a stud, but he was a d*mn solid player who started every game he played with GB. That's pretty good value from a #20 pick from where I'm sitting. And passing on Montana was something EVERY team did for two rounds, and probably would have for another several. Bill Walsh has said that the only guy who he believes when they say "we were about to draft Montana" is Bart Starr - and Starr says that GB had Montana pegged for the 5th round. F'in A, Walsh was pissed off when SF lost out on Steve Fuller and got "stuck" with Montana. Rich Campbell, yeah, that was a bad one. Of course, from about 78-91 GB seemed to have far more bad draft picks than good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgcoach Posted February 25, 2005 Share Posted February 25, 2005 I remember nobody wanted Moss cause of the 'attention' he gotoff of the field. I think he sat til 21st. I'm sure 20 other teams are kicking themselves too. 710457[/snapback] I would guarantee it!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Trick Posted February 25, 2005 Share Posted February 25, 2005 But isn't Holliday the best player the Chiefs have on defense? According to the burning lung he is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donutrun Jellies Posted February 25, 2005 Share Posted February 25, 2005 How many championships did Moss lead the Vikings to? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'canes2004 Posted February 25, 2005 Share Posted February 25, 2005 Quit your crying. The Dolphins passed on Moss and took John Avery instead. Who? Exactly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vote Quimby2 Posted February 25, 2005 Share Posted February 25, 2005 I still remember that draft....sitting there watching Moss fall into the Packers lap (after they had traded up)...thinking they finally were going to draft a weapon for Brett....then watching as they unbelieveably went for Holliday. Perhaps second only to drafting Rich Campbell with a top 10 pick and passing on Joe Montana (tie) in terms of Packer draft day blunders. 710530[/snapback] Hell, it could be worse. You could have been the Titans and drafted Kevin Dyson over Randy Moss . Hindsight is a beautiful thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donutrun Jellies Posted February 25, 2005 Share Posted February 25, 2005 (edited) Hell, it could be worse. You could have been the Titans and drafted Kevin Dyson over Randy Moss . Hindsight is a beautiful thing. 711177[/snapback] Yeah -- and Moss would have quit and been on his way to the locker room rather than on the field and on his way to the endzone as Dyson was during "the Music City Miracle" ... that would have been MUCH better for the Titans ... their greatest play in their history and their temperamental star would have been in the sulky quitter line rather than zipping across the goal line for the win ... Edited February 25, 2005 by Donutrun Jellies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vote Quimby2 Posted February 25, 2005 Share Posted February 25, 2005 Yeah -- and Moss would have quit and been on his way to the locker room rather than on the field and on his way to the endzone as Dyson was during "the Music City Miracle" ... that would have been MUCH better for the Titans ... their greatest play in their history and their temperamental star would have been in the sulky quitter line rather than zipping across the goal line for the win ... 711184[/snapback] I doubt that very much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Sores Posted February 25, 2005 Share Posted February 25, 2005 Whoa, whoa whoa - let's not get ahead of ourselves. For one, Holiday wasn't a stud, but he was a d*mn solid player who started every game he played with GB. That's pretty good value from a #20 pick from where I'm sitting. And passing on Montana was something EVERY team did for two rounds, and probably would have for another several. Bill Walsh has said that the only guy who he believes when they say "we were about to draft Montana" is Bart Starr - and Starr says that GB had Montana pegged for the 5th round. F'in A, Walsh was pissed off when SF lost out on Steve Fuller and got "stuck" with Montana. Rich Campbell, yeah, that was a bad one. Of course, from about 78-91 GB seemed to have far more bad draft picks than good. 711039[/snapback] Chavez....I respect you as a Packer fan...but you can't tell me that you think Holliday was a good trade-up value when Moss was still on the board. Also, the Packers scouts were pushing for Montana from the first round. Bart Starr (Gregg?) didn't like him so the Packers passed.....FOOLS! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAUgrad Posted February 25, 2005 Share Posted February 25, 2005 Quit your crying. The Dolphins passed on Moss and took John Avery instead. Who? Exactly. 711169[/snapback] No not quite. Avery was drafted 29th. Then a couple of years later, traded to Denver for Nash who was the 30th pick in the 1st round of the same draft. They both did absolutely nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donutrun Jellies Posted February 25, 2005 Share Posted February 25, 2005 I doubt that very much. 711187[/snapback] Isn't that exactly the stunt Moss pulled this year? Quitting and heading to the lockerroom with time on the clock and an onside kick coming? What if Dyson had said "it would take a miracle" and quit and headed to the locker room right before the Music City Miracle????? No win for Tenn ... But no, Dyson stayed and played ... Moss went to the locker room and Minny didn't get the ball to get a chance to win. Dang. Doubt it all you want -- it happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Favreforlife Posted February 25, 2005 Share Posted February 25, 2005 Whoa, whoa whoa - let's not get ahead of ourselves. For one, Holiday wasn't a stud, but he was a d*mn solid player who started every game he played with GB. That's pretty good value from a #20 pick from where I'm sitting. And passing on Montana was something EVERY team did for two rounds, and probably would have for another several. Bill Walsh has said that the only guy who he believes when they say "we were about to draft Montana" is Bart Starr - and Starr says that GB had Montana pegged for the 5th round. F'in A, Walsh was pissed off when SF lost out on Steve Fuller and got "stuck" with Montana. Rich Campbell, yeah, that was a bad one. Of course, from about 78-91 GB seemed to have far more bad draft picks than good. 711039[/snapback] Wow a Rich Campbell sighting in the huddle! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vote Quimby2 Posted February 25, 2005 Share Posted February 25, 2005 Isn't that exactly the stunt Moss pulled this year? Quitting and heading to the lockerroom with time on the clock and an onside kick coming? What if Dyson had said "it would take a miracle" and quit and headed to the locker room right before the Music City Miracle????? No win for Tenn ... But no, Dyson stayed and played ... Moss went to the locker room and Minny didn't get the ball to get a chance to win. Dang. Doubt it all you want -- it happened. 711435[/snapback] If the Titans had Moss on what was a very good team already they would have been unstopable. My feelings are that if Tenn had Moss in that game it wouldn't have been that close. Moss, with all his baggage, is still a hundred times better than Dyson, who I'm not sure is even in the league anymore. I think it's funny that since he quit last year, you automatically think he would have done it in what would be the biggest game of his life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAUgrad Posted February 25, 2005 Share Posted February 25, 2005 If the Titans had Moss on what was a very good team already they would have been unstopable. My feelings are that if Tenn had Moss in that game it wouldn't have been that close. Moss, with all his baggage, is still a hundred times better than Dyson, who I'm not sure is even in the league anymore. I think it's funny that since he quit last year, you automatically think he would have done it in what would be the biggest game of his life. 711590[/snapback] Anyone remember when Buddy Ryan did this with the Cardinals a number of years ago. I think it was on Monday night, or maybe Sunday, but there he goes off the field only to realize, "oh there's one more play left", "I was hoping the pain was over"!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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