Gopher Posted July 27, 2005 Share Posted July 27, 2005 I was surprised to see him the 22nd quarterback taken in the Huddle's Dynasty mock draft last month. I thought he would have been slightly higher, at least ahead of Losman and Boller, who were both drafted ahead of him. Do you think he's going to come close to matching his brother's success within a few years, be a complete bust, or somewhere in between? If the latter, please elaborate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
godtomsatan Posted July 27, 2005 Share Posted July 27, 2005 Do you think he's going to come close to matching his brother's success within a few years, be a complete bust, or somewhere in between? If the latter, please elaborate. 898160[/snapback] He'll be closer to his Dad than his brother. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gopher Posted July 28, 2005 Author Share Posted July 28, 2005 OK. I agree. But, do you also agree that he probably has higher potential than Losman and Boller? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roo Posted July 28, 2005 Share Posted July 28, 2005 (edited) That's actually a tough call for me. I actually like Boller this year, with a top WR in Mason, a very talented rookie in Clayton, andand hopefully a healthy Heap. Lossman will probably struggle at first but might have a decent 2nd half and he also has some nice targets (Evans and Moulds). Manning looked REALLY bad last year to me - just bewildered and lost. And Plexiglass is such a question mark to me. If he and Manning hit it off, there is potential, with Toomer as a decent second option. But the o-line is shakey right, and he's yet to show us anything really..... .....if I had to put them in order it would be like this.... 1. Boller 2. Manning 3. Lossman Edited July 28, 2005 by Roo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goopster24 Posted July 28, 2005 Share Posted July 28, 2005 That's actually a tough call for me. I actually like Boller this year, with a top WR in Mason, a very talented rookie in Clayton, andand hopefully a healthy Heap. Lossman will probably struggle at first but might have a decent 2nd half and he also has some nice targets (Evans and Moulds). Manning looked REALLY bad last year to me - just bewildered and lost. And Plexiglass is such a question mark to me. If he and Manning hit it off, there is potential, with Toomer as a decent second option. But the o-line is shakey right, and he's yet to show us anything really..... .....if I had to put them in order it would be like this.... 1. Boller 2. Manning 3. Lossman 898441[/snapback] Yea Roo, I agree with everything you said. Manning was just horrible last year. He didn't know what the hell he was doing. I think Boller will do much better than him and I think Losman def has more of a chance to do better too. Doesn't NYG have a horrible offensive line? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lynch Posted July 28, 2005 Share Posted July 28, 2005 I would like to point out that Peyton looked just as bad his first season in the league. Can you all remember, he threw so many picks and he would try and audible and it was a catastrophe, he wasn't allowed to check off the last part of the season. Eli looked like a rookie QB who was playing for a bad team, I bet he is kicking himself for demanding his way out of San Diego. Eli will be a top 10 QB in the next 5 years and will stay there much like his brother(no not as good, but as steady). Eli is a more dynamic QB than Peyton, he showed that in College, he just needs to slow down and let the game come to him at this level. He was the tools just need the mind to catch up. Next year he will be a possible Fantasy starter and a great backup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caveman_Nick Posted July 28, 2005 Share Posted July 28, 2005 HE has talent around him, if they can stay healthy. Barber is s great pass catching back, shockey has great hands, and Toomer and Burress are a very respectable WR tandem. I think Eli will do well this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roo Posted July 28, 2005 Share Posted July 28, 2005 I am not saying it's out of the question - I mean he will certainly improve, but that's not saying much. Also, I am not really down with comparing Eli to Peyton - don't think their careers will neccessarily mirror each other. The only real change from this last year to this year is Plexi. He had Tiki and Toomer (and Shockey?) last year, but still looked like a headless chicken. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lynch Posted July 28, 2005 Share Posted July 28, 2005 I am not saying it's out of the question - I mean he will certainly improve, but that's not saying much. Also, I am not really down with comparing Eli to Peyton - don't think their careers will neccessarily mirror each other. The only real change from this last year to this year is Plexi. He had Tiki and Toomer (and Shockey?) last year, but still looked like a headless chicken. 898820[/snapback] I never said that he would be as good as his brother. I said that once he settles in he will be as consistent. With that I mean he will have stats that will be realitivly the same year after year, but I don't think that his numbers will be as good. He did look like a headless chicken but, besides Big Ben how many rookie QB's haven't looked like a headless chicken? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goopster24 Posted July 28, 2005 Share Posted July 28, 2005 I never said that he would be as good as his brother. I said that once he settles in he will be as consistent. With that I mean he will have stats that will be realitivly the same year after year, but I don't think that his numbers will be as good. He did look like a headless chicken but, besides Big Ben how many rookie QB's haven't looked like a headless chicken? 898844[/snapback] Who could do what Peyton does? Eli will never have that great of an offense. He will be good but it'll take some time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robash Posted July 29, 2005 Share Posted July 29, 2005 Who could do what Peyton does? Eli will never have that great of an offense. He will be good but it'll take some time. 899013[/snapback] im not so sure about the offence, injuries killed the giants last years, even pre-season with warner thier offence was being pretty highly touted. the fact that the o-line was mediocre as a whole to start with coupled with injuries was the thing that killed the qb's. this year the o-line is much improved...with some depth, with the addition of kareem diehl can move back to his more natural position, and snee is starting to look like a great second round pick up, pettigout has alway been at least better than average. with that in mind, reports of shocky to be in his best shape so far, amani's new partner, and a good line for tiki to run behind...i think the giants will be top 10 in offence in the nfl. now thats barring injuries my opinion tho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Weasel Posted July 29, 2005 Share Posted July 29, 2005 Eli Manning is being drafted around the early to mid 20's of QB's in FFL leagues. If you take away the word Manning and replace it with Reilly (just a named I picked out of my head) would his stock go down? I would think so. When you draft Eli you are drafting Eli. Always remember that, and don't bump him up because of his last name. That being said, I like him better than Losman, but behind Boller. Wouldn't want him as my starter this year, but maybe in another year or two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mamaboy Posted July 29, 2005 Share Posted July 29, 2005 A solid number three QB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocNiner52 Posted July 30, 2005 Share Posted July 30, 2005 (edited) Got him in last years' rookie draft in one of my dynasty leagues. I have Bulger and Green. Depending on how he develops this year he might be a bye-week filler or a spot start with a good matchup. I drafted him so I don't think he'll be a bust but I think he could benefit from some better receiving talent. Don't think Toomer or Burress will light it up but I guess Eli could do worse than them. I think he'll end up being a solid starter for my team in a few years. Edited July 30, 2005 by DocNiner52 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cliaz Posted July 31, 2005 Share Posted July 31, 2005 Peyton Manning threw for 3797 and 26/28 his first year? Something like that. Eli Manning was 1043 6/9 in 6 games I believe, can't remember off the top of my head. But if you watched him in his final couple of games, Eli really looked good. Understand that the Giants O line was terrible and if you go back and re-watch the game footage you'll see Eli getting sacked, mainly from the weak side. Now that he is more comfortable with the offense, I'm willing to bet that Eli has a decent year, maybe 18/12. Somewhere in there. With Plexy-glass hurt now it's going to really hurt his numbers. In a Dynasty league, I’d scoop him up ahead of the others mentioned cept for Brady. When you draft Brady it’s like drafting Shaun Alexander. You know what you are going to get and can count it. Very consistent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Sanchez Posted August 1, 2005 Share Posted August 1, 2005 Last season, to go along with Eli being a rookie and having an injury riddled O-line, the Giants were also learning a new system under a completely new coaching staff. When Eli played, the playbook was drastically cut down to help him get accustomed to the offense. Now, with a year under his belt, a revamped O-line, and everyone more comfortable with the new system and playbook, I think Eli will have a very good year. The Giants will surprise a lot of people this year by making a run at the wild card. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted August 1, 2005 Share Posted August 1, 2005 Peyton Manning threw for 3797 and 26/28 his first year? Something like that. Eli Manning was 1043 6/9 in 6 games I believe, can't remember off the top of my head. But if you watched him in his final couple of games, Eli really looked good. Understand that the Giants O line was terrible and if you go back and re-watch the game footage you'll see Eli getting sacked, mainly from the weak side. Now that he is more comfortable with the offense, I'm willing to bet that Eli has a decent year, maybe 18/12. Somewhere in there. With Plexy-glass hurt now it's going to really hurt his numbers. In a Dynasty league, I’d scoop him up ahead of the others mentioned cept for Brady. When you draft Brady it’s like drafting Shaun Alexander. You know what you are going to get and can count it. Very consistent. 903217[/snapback] Alexander's numbers are only consistent on a year-to-year basis... week-to-week, he does a complete 180 and always has...that's probably the most consistent thing about him...the fact he can go from 170 yds, 3 TD's to 45 yds and a fumble... I like Boller this year... I also think that Eli's and Peyton's situations were like night and day... but similar in some cases... Peyton had Harrison and Eli had Toomer...Peyton gets this head and shoulders... Peyton had MFaulk...Eli had Tiki...I call that a tie as Faulk didn't really flourish until he went to the Rams.. Peyton had a good OL...Eli doesn't... I also think Eli is in a rougher division when it comes to scoring...all the defenses he faces this year could very well be in the 15...or top 10 even this upcoming season... I'd like to be able to select him with confidence...but can't I agree with Roo on this, though 1. Boller 2. Manning 3. Losman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cliaz Posted August 1, 2005 Share Posted August 1, 2005 Alexander's numbers are only consistent on a year-to-year basis... week-to-week, he does a complete 180 and always has...that's probably the most consistent thing about him...the fact he can go from 170 yds, 3 TD's to 45 yds and a fumble... I've had alexander for he past 3 years and loved him. I think your statement about week to week, 180 change can be applied to almost any NFL player except a handful. (peyton manning comes to mind.) Alexander is a safe pick for RB, true he wont have huge games (like that time 3 years ago when he was playing the vikings on sunday night and had 5 Tds.) all the time but you can count on him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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