Capt. Stanky Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 I'm currently 8-1 in my deep keeper league (keep 10 from year to year). Standard scoring, but we start 2 QB's and it's a PPR league. My team is very balanced with good depth taboot. I've been talking with the owner of AP (He's currently in 3rd, but looking at his team I don't know how). Here's the current trade/players I'm dangling: I give... Palmer (we start 2 QB's), Forte, Braylon & KBoss I get... AP, GOlsen, CTaylor, one of either Driver or Burelson My Team: QB's (start 2) Romo, Rivers, Palmer, VY, Collins RB's MJD, Forte, Lynch, FJack, Fargas WR's AJohnson, Welker, SSmith (NYG), Braylon, AGonzo TE's ZMiller, KBoss (lost ODaniels a couple of weeks ago) His Team: QB's (start 2) Orton, TEdwards, JCampbell RB's AP, MBarber, Jacobs WR's D-Jax, V-Jax, Burelson, Driver TE's Shockey, GOlsen Obviously he's really hurting at QB, with Orton as his only viable starter. I can afford to trade Palmer with VY's emergance. Do you think I'm giving up enough to get AP? If he wants to keep Olsen it's not a deal breaker. Although Driver and Burelson have out performed Braylon, Braylon is a much more attractive option as a keeper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infinity Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 The trades in your favor. But i would definitely do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLivi1224 Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 He is def hurting at qb, i think thats very obvious.....Are you giving enough?? i gues thats up to him. You definitely arent giving too much, so the trade would be great for you if other owner goes for it...good luck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt. Stanky Posted November 13, 2009 Author Share Posted November 13, 2009 (edited) Does everyone still think this would be a slam dunk for me? Forte got allot of love from Cutler tonight (8 for 120 receiving) and he's been getting more of late even before this week. I think I'm going to take Braylon out of the offer. What does everyone think about the following... I give Palmer, Forte & Boss I get AP, CTaylor & GOlsen Edited November 13, 2009 by Capt. Stanky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach1310 Posted November 13, 2009 Share Posted November 13, 2009 Does everyone still think this would be a slam dunk for me? Forte got allot of love from Cutler tonight (8 for 120 receiving) and he's been getting more of late even before this week. I think I'm going to take Braylon out of the offer. What does everyone think about the following... I give Palmer, Forte & Boss I get AP, CTaylor & GOlsen I am an AP owner and if I were that guy.... no way I make the deal. You can't trust the Bears or Cutler in my opinion and I think Forte has turned into a matchup play, even though he had a good night last night. Cincy is a run first team and Palmer has turned into a game manager. Sure, you are giving him a QB, but I have to believe he could do better elsewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt. Stanky Posted November 13, 2009 Author Share Posted November 13, 2009 (edited) I am an AP owner and if I were that guy.... no way I make the deal. You can't trust the Bears or Cutler in my opinion and I think Forte has turned into a matchup play, even though he had a good night last night. Cincy is a run first team and Palmer has turned into a game manager. Sure, you are giving him a QB, but I have to believe he could do better elsewhere. That's the thing, he couldn't do better elsewhere. I'm really the only team that's in a position to trade a QB. Since we start 2 QB's they are more valuable than RB's in this deep keeper format. It's just much harder to acquire a franchise type QB. Also, Palmer is just starting to hit is groove. Keep in mind that he hadn't played for almost a full season coming into the year. It took him about a month to knock off the rust. He's not going to drop back and pass it as much as he did in '05, but he's a big upgrade for this dudes team. Edited November 13, 2009 by Capt. Stanky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delusions of grandeur Posted November 13, 2009 Share Posted November 13, 2009 You were right to take the WRs out of the deal, now you just gotta take out the TE's too.... You can't really expect this guy to take a downgrade at RB, WR, and TE, just to get a marginal QB1. Since he does need a QB, and you might be in the best position to offer it to him, then you could maybe get away with stealing AP, but cmon, I don't know that you can't expect him to give up Olsen for Boss and/or either of those WRs for Braylon too. He knows the valuable part of the trade for you is AP, so why would he possibly take these other downgrades? Keep it simple, Forte and Palmer for AP and Taylor. Those other deals won't happen, but feel free to try. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt. Stanky Posted November 13, 2009 Author Share Posted November 13, 2009 You were right to take the WRs out of the deal, now you just gotta take out the TE's too.... You can't really expect this guy to take a downgrade at RB, WR, and TE, just to get a marginal QB1. Since he does need a QB, and you might be in the best position to offer it to him, then you could maybe get away with stealing AP, but cmon, I don't know that you can't expect him to give up Olsen for Boss and/or either of those WRs for Braylon too. He knows the valuable part of the trade for you is AP, so why would he possibly take these other downgrades? Keep it simple, Forte and Palmer for AP and Taylor. Those other deals won't happen, but feel free to try. I hear you. Getting Olsen in return might be asking too much, but I would argue that Braylon isn't a downgrade for him but an upgrade. Like I stated before, even though Driver and Burelson have outscored Braylon this year Braylon is a far more desirable keeper option than eithier Driver or Burelson. I was throwing Braylon out there as just another peice I could add to the offer. Personally, I would rather keep Braylon than trade him for one of Driver or Buerlson. My starters at WR are set with AJ, Welker and SSmith (NYG), so Driver or Buerlson would be backups anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunday Couch Potatoe Posted November 13, 2009 Share Posted November 13, 2009 Make the deal it definitely is in your favor. Pull that trigger as fast as Plaxico would before he changes his mind! http://forums.thehuddle.com/index.php?showtopic=307803 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delusions of grandeur Posted November 13, 2009 Share Posted November 13, 2009 I hear you. Getting Olsen in return might be asking too much, but I would argue that Braylon isn't a downgrade for him but an upgrade. Like I stated before, even though Driver and Burelson have outscored Braylon this year Braylon is a far more desirable keeper option than eithier Driver or Burelson. I was throwing Braylon out there as just another peice I could add to the offer. Personally, I would rather keep Braylon than trade him for one of Driver or Buerlson. My starters at WR are set with AJ, Welker and SSmith (NYG), so Driver or Buerlson would be backups anyway Oh, I didn't see the part about it being a keeper league. Okay, then the deals do make a lot more sense then, being that Braylon could be a great-long-term pickup too. In that case, I'd try any of those deals to get AP. Ya, you're right to want to hold on to Braylon, but obviously you don't need him for anything more than a backup you could probably aqcuire in the next year or two when the gas runs out for Burleson or Driver. Since Olsen's not that guy's starter, then I could see him maybe taking Boss for the long-term, but like you said, it probably doesn't sweeten the deal for him at all. Also, my other worry would be that he might not accept the deal because your starters would be greatly strengthened, especially given Olsen too. But like i said, do what you gotta do to get the AP part done (TE would just be a huge bonus), as any of those deals sound pretty good for you, but otherwise, you might be just as well served looking to do a trade that simply strengthens your TE. (Just something to think about). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt. Stanky Posted November 13, 2009 Author Share Posted November 13, 2009 Oh, I didn't see the part about it being a keeper league. Okay, then the deals do make a lot more sense then, being that Braylon could be a great-long-term pickup too. In that case, I'd try any of those deals to get AP. Ya, you're right to want to hold on to Braylon, but obviously you don't need him for anything more than a backup you could probably aqcuire in the next year or two when the gas runs out for Burleson or Driver. Since Olsen's not that guy's starter, then I could see him maybe taking Boss for the long-term, but like you said, it probably doesn't sweeten the deal for him at all. Also, my other worry would be that he might not accept the deal because your starters would be greatly strengthened, especially given Olsen too. But like i said, do what you gotta do to get the AP part done (TE would just be a huge bonus), as any of those deals sound pretty good for you, but otherwise, you might be just as well served looking to do a trade that simply strengthens your TE. (Just something to think about). Great feedback. delusions. That's the kind of analysis that keeps me coming back to the Huddle. Pretty much all in line with what I'm thinking. I come to the Huddle more for validation of thinking than anything else. The guy I'm talking to isn't the best FF owner. He's gotten really lucky thus far to be in 3rd. Personally, if it were me, I wouldn't want to help my ridiculous team My starters would look like this if I can pull it off: QB's Rivers, Romo RB's MJD, AP WR's AJ, Welker, SSmith (NYG) TE Olsen Makes my mouth water Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt. Stanky Posted November 13, 2009 Author Share Posted November 13, 2009 What do you guys think if he were to ask for Romo instead of Palmer? Palmer's playoff matchups are pretty nice (@SD and Vs KC). I like Romo more overall, but he does historicly choke during FF playoff time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt. Stanky Posted November 17, 2009 Author Share Posted November 17, 2009 Update: Still working on the owner of AP. What do you guys think about this: I give Romo, Forte & ZMiller I get AP, Olsen & CTaylor This guy is hurting even more with Orton's bum ankle. Is this enough for AP? I would like to keep Braylon if possible, but would be willing to throw him in as well. Keep in mind that we start 2 QB's in this deep keeper, so QB's are just as important as RB's. I think they are more important since it's easier to get a good RB in each years draft than a franchise type QB (10 team league were we start 2, so QB's are very scarce). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirtysanchez1184 Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 Dude, give up on trying to get the TE upgrade. If you wanna get AP, that's the only upgrade you're gonna make. Just do AP and C.Taylor for Palmer and Forte. You still have Rivers and Romo, Palmer is useless. There I just made the trade for you. AP is 7837383 x better than Forte. http://forums.thehuddle.com/index.php?showtopic=308280 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt. Stanky Posted November 17, 2009 Author Share Posted November 17, 2009 Dude, give up on trying to get the TE upgrade. If you wanna get AP, that's the only upgrade you're gonna make. Just do AP and C.Taylor for Palmer and Forte. You still have Rivers and Romo, Palmer is useless. There I just made the trade for you. AP is 7837383 x better than Forte. http://forums.thehuddle.com/index.php?showtopic=308280 I hear you about the TE, but the guy has Olsen and Shockey. I really don't think he will have a problem giving up one of the two. It's at least worth a shot, but you're right, if it comes down to it I would take Olsen out of the deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt. Stanky Posted November 18, 2009 Author Share Posted November 18, 2009 The AP owner is still pondering the trade. I've been talking to a couple of other teams as well. What do you think about the following offer... I give... Forte & SSmith (NYG) I get... RRice & SMoss I would then do the following trade, which I've already confirmed the other owner would do... I give Romo or Palmer and 2 throw ins I get VD, Ocho and a to 10 IDP (Beason) Here's what my starting lineup would look like if I make the trade for AP... QB's Rivers & Romo or Palmer RB's AP & MJD WR's AJohnson, Welker & SSmith TE Olsen Here's what my team would look like if I trade for Rice and make that other trade... QB's Rivers & Romo or Palmer RB's MJD & Rice WR's AJohnson, Welker & Ocho TE VD Which starting lineup do you like better? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpieszak Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 this dude is insane giving you ap for palmer and forte. maybe forte last year and he should consider it. if he wants to do this. do it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt. Stanky Posted November 19, 2009 Author Share Posted November 19, 2009 this dude is insane giving you ap for palmer and forte. maybe forte last year and he should consider it. if he wants to do this. do it Did you read through all the posts? We start 2 QB's making them every bit as important as RB's. This guy has Orton, JCampbell and TEdwards. That is why he's seriously considering it. Anyone have any opinions on my new possible trade offers? Which do you like more? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt. Stanky Posted November 19, 2009 Author Share Posted November 19, 2009 Here's my post about the other offers... The AP owner is still pondering the trade. I've been talking to a couple of other teams as well. What do you think about the following offer... I give... Forte & SSmith (NYG) I get... RRice & SMoss I would then do the following trade, which I've already confirmed the other owner would do... I give Romo or Palmer and 2 throw ins I get VD, Ocho and a to 10 IDP (Beason) Here's what my starting lineup would look like if I make the trade for AP... QB's Rivers & Romo or Palmer RB's AP & MJD WR's AJohnson, Welker & SSmith TE Olsen Here's what my team would look like if I trade for Rice and make that other trade... QB's Rivers & Romo or Palmer RB's MJD & Rice WR's AJohnson, Welker & Ocho TE VD Which starting lineup do you like better? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menstrualgravy Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 I like Lineup #2 personally http://forums.thehuddle.com/index.php?show...=308303&hl= Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt. Stanky Posted November 20, 2009 Author Share Posted November 20, 2009 The AP owner took the trade! Trade... I give Romo, Forte & ZMiller I get AP, CTaylor & GOlsen My Starters after the trade: QB's Rivers & Palmer RB's AP & MJD WR's AJohnson, Welker & SSmith TE Olsen Game Over, Man. Game Over! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delusions of grandeur Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 Dude, congrats on that... I can't believe you got a TE in the deal to boot... Now that's a team! Did you see The League last night? He obviously didn't, because he just got trade-raped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirtysanchez1184 Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 biggest steal ive ever seen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt. Stanky Posted November 20, 2009 Author Share Posted November 20, 2009 (edited) Dude, congrats on that... I can't believe you got a TE in the deal to boot... Now that's a team! Did you see The League last night? He obviously didn't, because he just got trade-raped. I really think it was a good trade for both teams. Keep in mind that it's a 10 player keeper league. I'm selling low on Forte, who was a top 5 back going into the year. Like I've stated before, it's much more difficult to acquire a franchise QB than a franchise RB in this format. In fact, this owner has never had a top 10 QB in his 4 years in the league. His QB's before the trade were Orton, JCampbell and TEdwards. He was kind of backed into a corner since he's in the playoff hunt and would probably only have had 1 QB going this week. I think I got the best player in the trade, obviously, but I don't think it's as lopsided as you guys think. Edited November 20, 2009 by Capt. Stanky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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