yitbos69 Posted April 18, 2007 Share Posted April 18, 2007 M.Turner/MB3/JP for Willis Mc/V. Young/1.12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Men In Tights Posted April 18, 2007 Share Posted April 18, 2007 M.Turner/MB3/JP for Willis Mc/V. Young/1.12 Right now I would say Mc-VY port of the trade. Reason being Turner isn't starting, MB3 is in a RBBC and I am assuming JP=JP Losman. McGahee may actually play like the best RB in the league in Baltimore and VY is better than JP right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yitbos69 Posted April 18, 2007 Author Share Posted April 18, 2007 Right now I would say Mc-VY port of the trade. Reason being Turner isn't starting, MB3 is in a RBBC and I am assuming JP=JP Losman. McGahee may actually play like the best RB in the league in Baltimore and VY is better than JP right now. Yeah that is my thought as well. This is a dynasty league PPR. I won it last year but I need to insert some youth and I thought getting Turner/MB3 could do that. It's a gamble and I an pretty much giving up 2007 unless Turner were to get traded and becomes the Stud most people think he will. MB3 also could be very good if he becomes the starter. I don't like giving up Willis(I think he will be real good with the Ravens) but sometime you got to give something to get something! Like I said I would be gambling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted April 18, 2007 Share Posted April 18, 2007 It sure would be nice to know what your roster is, what your scoring system is, and what your starting requirement is. And quite frankly, @ thinking BAL with McGahee is going to improve dramatically in their run game when their running game has fallen progressively off the table over the past 3 years and is now one of the worst in the league. If McGahee couldn't get it done last year with a better running team in BUF (hard to believe one can actually make that statement after Lewis went for 2000+ not so long ago), why on Earth would anyone expect him to improve playing for a team whose running game has fallen completely into the abyss? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Men In Tights Posted April 18, 2007 Share Posted April 18, 2007 (edited) Any chance you can remove VY from the trade? I am not sure about MB3. I really like Turner and think he will be a starter somewhere else this year. If there is a chance you can counter with Turner for Mcgahee I would make that deal looking at the future. edit to add: it would be nice to know who else you have and if you have someone like Palmer or Manning at QB you can afford to give up Young... Edited April 18, 2007 by Men In Tights Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yitbos69 Posted April 18, 2007 Author Share Posted April 18, 2007 It sure would be nice to know what your roster is, what your scoring system is, and what your starting requirement is. And quite frankly, @ thinking BAL with McGahee is going to improve dramatically in their run game when their running game has fallen progressively off the table over the past 3 years and is now one of the worst in the league. If McGahee couldn't get it done last year with a better running team in BUF (hard to believe one can actually make that statement after Lewis went for 2000+ not so long ago), why on Earth would anyone expect him to improve playing for a team whose running game has fallen completely into the abyss? Frankly you are wrong about The Bills running game. Bills- 368/1370/3.72/8 td's Ravens- 401/1518/3.78/10 td's So why do you think that the Bills Running game is better? What were you basing that statement on? Roster Bulger, Marc STL Delhomme, Jake Young, Vince TEN Davis, Stephen STL Dayne, Ron HOU Fason, Ciatrick MIN James, Edgerrin ARI McAllister, Deuce NOS McGahee, Willis BAL Shelton, Eric CAR Thomas, Anthony BUF Chambers, Chris MIA Edwards, Braylon CLE Galloway, Joey TBB Harrison, Marvin IND Johnson, Bryant ARI Lloyd, Brandon WAS Robinson, Koren GBP Rogers, Charles Williams, Mike DET Cooley, Chris WAS Elam, Jason DEN Broncos, Denver Jaguars, Jacksonville League Rules Starting Lineup Setup Quarterback 1 Running Backs 2-3 Wide Receivers 3-4 Tight End 1-2 Place Kicker 1 Team Defense 1 (1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WRs, 1 RB/WR/TE Flex, 1 TE, 1 K, 1 D) Total number of starters: 10 Total number of backups: 14 Scoring: (decimal points will be used in calculating scores) Offense: Touchdowns (rushing or receiving) = 6 points Touchdowns (passing) = 4 points Two point conversions (rushing or receiving) = 2 points Two point conversions (passing) = 1 point Each Rushing/Receiving Yard = 0.1 point (Ex. 75 yds rushing = 7.50 points) Each Passing Yard = 0.05 point (Ex. 260 yds passing = 13 points) Each Reception ( WRs and TEs ) = 1 point per reception (RB)= .5 point per reception Kicking: Field Goals (less than forty yards) = 3 points Field Goals (greater than or equal to forty yards) = 4 points Field Goals (greater than or equal to fifty yards) = 5 points Extra points = 1 point Bonuses: Rush for at least 100 yards in a game = 3 additional points Receive for at least 100 yards in a game = 3 additional points Passing for at least 300 yards in a game = 3 additional points Penalties: Penalties for fumble lost = -2 points Penalties for interception thrown = -1 point Penalties for missed extra points = -1 point Team defense: Touchdowns (int. or fumble return, special teams) = 6 points Blocked Kick (punt or FG) = 2 points Interceptions = 2 points Fumble Recovery = 2 points Sack = 1 point Safety = 2 points Points Allowed (whether scored by opponents offense or defense): 0 PA = 10 points 2-6 PA = 7 points 7-14 PA = 3 points Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted April 18, 2007 Share Posted April 18, 2007 Frankly you are wrong about The Bills running game. Bills- 368/1370/3.72/8 td's Ravens- 401/1518/3.78/10 td's So why do you think that the Bills Running game is better? What were you basing that statement on? 2006 BAL rushing stats: ATT: 476 11th in NFL YDs: 1637 25th in NFL YPA: 3.44 31st in NFL Rush TDs: 11 22nd in NFL source 2006 BUF rushing stats: ATT: 420 25th in NFL YDs: 1552 27th in NFL YPA: 3.70 28th in NFL Rush TDs: 9 25th in NFL Source So even though BUF ran 56 fewer times than BAL, they matched up very closely in rushing yds & rushing TDs, and had a much better ypa (even though they still sucked). That makes BUF a better rushing team in 2006 than BAL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yitbos69 Posted April 18, 2007 Author Share Posted April 18, 2007 2006 BAL rushing stats: ATT: 476 11th in NFL YDs: 1637 25th in NFL YPA: 3.44 31st in NFL Rush TDs: 11 22nd in NFL source 2006 BUF rushing stats: ATT: 420 25th in NFL YDs: 1552 27th in NFL YPA: 3.70 28th in NFL Rush TDs: 9 25th in NFL Source So even though BUF ran 56 fewer times than BAL, they matched up very closely in rushing yds & rushing TDs, and had a much better ypa (even though they still sucked). That makes BUF a better rushing team in 2006 than BAL. I took just the RB's Numbers(we are talking about how a RB would do not how good either team blocks for a wr on a reverse right) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted April 18, 2007 Share Posted April 18, 2007 With that team, I'd say that you have to play for the future. By the time you can make it a championship competitor, Harrison, Galloway, McAllister & Edge will all be done playing. So let's look at your youth core: QB Young RB McGahee Shelton Fason WR Chambers Edwards B Johnson Lloyd Rogers M Williams TE Cooley Now I don't know about you, but I'd prefer not to have these guys be my base in 3 years. Young looks like a future stud, hopefully top 8. You know how I feel about McGahee. Shelton & Fason don't look to be amounting to anything. Chambers, Edwards, & B Johnson ought to be a decent WR corps, especially when Johnson leaves AZ next year as a UFA. So you need some significant RB help, IMO of course. Getting MBIII & Turner gives your team immediate RB credibility for the future, and while that would mean giving up Young & exchanging him for Losman, Losman came on fairly well at the end of last season. You can aim at a QB this year with your 2nd rounder (whomever is left of Stanton, Edwards, & Kolb - hopefully Stanton) and you'll have a pretty solid young team to go forward with for the next 3-5 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted April 18, 2007 Share Posted April 18, 2007 I took just the RB's Numbers(we are talking about how a RB would do not how good either team blocks for a wr on a reverse right) So you're saying that teams don't run block a reverse? Okay, say I concede your point. BAL still sucks as a running team - even if they are better than BUF as you are saying and as I don't believe. Why does the addition of McGahee suddenly make them so much better? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yitbos69 Posted April 18, 2007 Author Share Posted April 18, 2007 With that team, I'd say that you have to play for the future. By the time you can make it a championship competitor, Harrison, Galloway, McAllister & Edge will all be done playing. So let's look at your youth core: QB Young RB McGahee Shelton Fason WR Chambers Edwards B Johnson Lloyd Rogers M Williams TE Cooley Now I don't know about you, but I'd prefer not to have these guys be my base in 3 years. Young looks like a future stud, hopefully top 8. You know how I feel about McGahee. Shelton & Fason don't look to be amounting to anything. Chambers, Edwards, & B Johnson ought to be a decent WR corps, especially when Johnson leaves AZ next year as a UFA. So you need some significant RB help, IMO of course. Getting MBIII & Turner gives your team immediate RB credibility for the future, and while that would mean giving up Young & exchanging him for Losman, Losman came on fairly well at the end of last season. You can aim at a QB this year with your 2nd rounder (whomever is left of Stanton, Edwards, & Kolb - hopefully Stanton) and you'll have a pretty solid young team to go forward with for the next 3-5 years. Thanks for the insight. Very helpful to my thought process. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yitbos69 Posted April 18, 2007 Author Share Posted April 18, 2007 So you're saying that teams don't run block a reverse? Okay, say I concede your point. BAL still sucks as a running team - even if they are better than BUF as you are saying and as I don't believe. Why does the addition of McGahee suddenly make them so much better? Willis is not going to run into the line and fall down like Lewis did last year(I think Lewis was hurt the 1st part of last year which could have had an effect) Willis has put up pretty good numbers behind a bad line and bad coaching. Give him a good line(not as good as it used to be) and good play calling and he will put up Top 5 numbers. Anyway I like what you said in the other post and I hope I can make this deal happen for the Future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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