Ed Hoyle Posted January 14, 2010 Share Posted January 14, 2010 Check out this article. Pick it apart if you will, but Mr. Oates says the same thing. 11-5 is nothing to shake a stick at, but they need to "DO IT" against top teams...not just the bad ones they are supposed to win. Any NFL team can beat anyone given the right situation. But, keep things for this past year in perspective....they did well...but need to put all pieces together against the upper-tier competition to be anointed as another elite team. http://host.madison.com/sports/columnists/...92c80d4461.html QUOTE.... Capers’ positive effect on the Packers’ beleaguered defense in his first year as coordinator is indisputable. For the most part, Capers’ aggressive defense was stout against the run and created turnovers in the passing game. However, against top quarterbacks running spread offenses, Capers revealed that he doesn’t trust his coverage people and therefore plays conservatively. In four full games against an uncharacteristically passive Packers defense, Minnesota’s Brett Favre (two games), Pittsburgh’s Ben Roethlisberger and Arizona’s Kurt Warner completed 71.7 percent of their passes for 1,397 yards, 15 touchdowns and no interceptions. That is a notable stat line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpwallace49 Posted January 14, 2010 Share Posted January 14, 2010 (edited) Anyone that is any kind of Packer fan KNOWs that their 5th and 6th defensive backs were horsecrap. Losing Blackmon and Lee (2 nd round pick expected to contribute preseason) hurt a LOT. A REAL Packer fan would have already known this champ . . . . EDIT: Referring to yourself in the third person is one of the biggest douchebag moves this side of Jersey Shore. . . Edited January 14, 2010 by bpwallace49 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outshined Posted January 14, 2010 Share Posted January 14, 2010 This didn't help either Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Hoyle Posted January 15, 2010 Author Share Posted January 15, 2010 Anyone that is any kind of Packer fan KNOWs that their 5th and 6th defensive backs were horsecrap. Losing Blackmon and Lee (2 nd round pick expected to contribute preseason) hurt a LOT. A REAL Packer fan would have already known this champ . . . . EDIT: Referring to yourself in the third person is one of the biggest douchebag moves this side of Jersey Shore. . . Can't handle the truth? Not trashing Packer Fans. Get over it. I'm just saying keep things in perspective. Too many people are blaming their loss on the non-calls. Their Defense lost them the game, along with turnovers on the other side of the ball. Period. The reality is GB beat the teams they were supposed to....which padded their record. It was still a good record. But, how did they fair against the better teams? I posted that in the "Packers/Cardinals" thread and everyone bashed it saying I didn't have a clue. Maybe...but if a sportswriter for the WSJ has the same, maybe I'm not all wrong. I have to cut TT and MM some slack as they turned things around. They are just not "THERE" until they can beat the better teams. Then again, you'd know a douchebag...take a look in the mirror. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpwallace49 Posted January 15, 2010 Share Posted January 15, 2010 Plenty perspective here . . . . 11 wins against 5 losses. A top rated defense that is in the FIRST year`of a complete transition from a 4-3 team to a 3-4 team without having all the correct personnel for the scheme. Losing your starting CB . . plus your nickel back . . plus a 2nd round pick expected to significantly play all contributed to playing poorly against pass-happy teams. That is fairly obvious to anyone that watches Packer games. And if you want to quote "publications" on the calls, SEVERAL were posted and featured from multiple NATIONAL sources. No one is crying, cause the game is what it is and calls get missed all the time. Shhh Hoyle . . . go watch your team, the Vikings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piratesownninjas Posted January 15, 2010 Share Posted January 15, 2010 When talking about perspective and the packers defense, you only need to look at the previous year, and what they did this past year in a new scheme. Like I said, I'd rather have a "padded" 11-5 then a "legit" 8-8. My question as far as that goes, do we count Both Lions games against the Vikings? How do you score the defeat they suffered in Chicago? Any given Sunday. Also remember that Kampman was out of place, Harris, Blackmon and Lee on IR didn't help either. No, the defense wasnt a top 3 defense, which the numbers says they are, but they are WAY better then where they were before Dom's arrival. Give Clay, Raji and company an off season to grow. Then we'll see whats up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chavez Posted January 17, 2010 Share Posted January 17, 2010 When talking about perspective and the packers defense, you only need to look at the previous year, and what they did this past year in a new scheme. Like I said, I'd rather have a "padded" 11-5 then a "legit" 8-8. My question as far as that goes, do we count Both Lions games against the Vikings? How do you score the defeat they suffered in Chicago? Any given Sunday. Right on about the Vikes. The difference in the schedule is basically GB went 1-1 vs a good team and a bad team, Minny went 1-1 vs two mediocre teams (one might argue that the Giants were "bad" at the point Minny faced them, but 9-7 is 9-7 in my book). Calling that wash, Minny went 10-4 against those teams, GB went 11-3. GB was shown to be a slight pretender, though I don't know that losing a playoff game on the road in OT is anything to be all that ashamed of; we await the Vikings' fate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piratesownninjas Posted January 17, 2010 Share Posted January 17, 2010 Right on about the Vikes. The difference in the schedule is basically GB went 1-1 vs a good team and a bad team, Minny went 1-1 vs two mediocre teams (one might argue that the Giants were "bad" at the point Minny faced them, but 9-7 is 9-7 in my book). Calling that wash, Minny went 10-4 against those teams, GB went 11-3. GB was shown to be a slight pretender, though I don't know that losing a playoff game on the road in OT is anything to be all that ashamed of; we await the Vikings' fate. I think we just need to keep everything in perspective. This team went 6-10 last year. This year they played up to their potential and went 11-5. We learned that Aaron Rodgers is a franchise quarterback, and that the defense should be stout next year. I look back at the draft and the trade made with the Patriots, and I'm blown away. I think 4-5 years from now, people will be looking back at it as one of the best in a long while. If Favre returns next year, we'll have a dogfight for the NFC North crown. But back to what I was saying about perspective... Last year Rodgers takes over the team and they start a new era. Everything that can go wrong does, and they go 6-10. The following year Rodgers takes over as one of the elite players in the league and the defense shows the possibility of being dominant on the way to an 11-5 record. Next year they should be one of the top 2-3 contenders for the NFC. Another year of growth and an offseason for Raji, Matthews and company and another year of the 3-4 defense and this team should be roaring out of the gates. Still sickened by the loss last Sunday, but the outlook from here on out is very, very good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaP'N GRuNGe Posted January 17, 2010 Share Posted January 17, 2010 This didn't help either Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaP'N GRuNGe Posted January 17, 2010 Share Posted January 17, 2010 (edited) Right on about the Vikes. The difference in the schedule is basically GB went 1-1 vs a good team and a bad team, Minny went 1-1 vs two mediocre teams (one might argue that the Giants were "bad" at the point Minny faced them, but 9-7 is 9-7 in my book). Calling that wash, Minny went 10-4 against those teams, GB went 11-3. GB was shown to be a slight pretender, though I don't know that losing a playoff game on the road in OT is anything to be all that ashamed of; we await the Vikings' fate. If you're comparing the two teams, are you just going to ignore the two games that actually counted? You know, the two where the Pack fell to Minnesota? Edited January 17, 2010 by CaP'N GRuNGe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chavez Posted January 17, 2010 Share Posted January 17, 2010 If you're comparing the two teams, are you just going to ignore the two games that actually counted? You know, the two where the Pack fell to Minnesota? Even with the sweep, 12-4 vs 11-5 isn't exactly a yawning chasm. GB stops Pitt on their last drive, AJ Hawk doesn't get whistled for a ticky-tack PI vs TB, Favre doesn't pull a magic ball out of his ass vs SF, and Bal makes a kick....suddenly Minny is looking up at GB for the division, head-to-head aside. It is what it is. Minny is IN the window, GB's is just starting to crack open. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaP'N GRuNGe Posted January 17, 2010 Share Posted January 17, 2010 I'm not begrudging the Packers. They are right there. It just seems you were pretty dismissive about the Vikings and said the difference was only the schedule when in the two games that really matter when comparing teams had the Vikings coming out ahead in both of them. That said, Favre leaves and the Packers are the new division favorite for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piratesownninjas Posted January 17, 2010 Share Posted January 17, 2010 I'm not begrudging the Packers. They are right there. It just seems you were pretty dismissive about the Vikings and said the difference was only the schedule when in the two games that really matter when comparing teams had the Vikings coming out ahead in both of them. That said, Favre leaves and the Packers are the new division favorite for sure. Did you miss the Ed Hoyle discounting the packers 11-5 record? I asked if the packers 11-5 record was padded, then how was the vikigns record not padded. No one is bagging on the vikings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaP'N GRuNGe Posted January 17, 2010 Share Posted January 17, 2010 Why would I care what a Packer fan (Ed Hoyle) said? He's your project to keep in line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chavez Posted January 17, 2010 Share Posted January 17, 2010 I'm not begrudging the Packers. They are right there. It just seems you were pretty dismissive about the Vikings and said the difference was only the schedule when in the two games that really matter when comparing teams had the Vikings coming out ahead in both of them. My fault; usually I see the argument from Viking fans of how GB played a "weak-ass schedule." Which it is what it is - it certainly was among the softer ones out there, and having the Lions in the division doesn't help out. The point is that GB and Minny played THE SAME SCHEDULE for the most part, unless one wants to argue that there's a tremendous quantitative or qualitative difference in going 1-1 vs Car/NYG as opposed to going 1-1 vs TB/Dal. Which there really isn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piratesownninjas Posted January 17, 2010 Share Posted January 17, 2010 Why would I care what a Packer fan (Ed Hoyle) said? He's your project to keep in line. No way. He's yours now. He follows Favre, and Favre will retire a viking... Either way, he's yours. We're not taking him back. Once you root for the Vikings, there is no coming back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeeR Posted January 17, 2010 Share Posted January 17, 2010 Anyone that is any kind of Packer fan KNOWs that their 5th and 6th defensive backs were horsecrap. Losing Blackmon and Lee (2 nd round pick expected to contribute preseason) hurt a LOT. A REAL Packer fan would have already known this champ . . . . EDIT: Referring to yourself in the third person is one of the biggest douchebag moves this side of Jersey Shore. . . BeeR agrees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chavez Posted January 17, 2010 Share Posted January 17, 2010 He follows Favre, and Favre will retire a viking... What are the Vegas odds on that one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piratesownninjas Posted January 17, 2010 Share Posted January 17, 2010 What are the Vegas odds on that one? Not sure I would place a bet either way... What could be next after being a viking? Either A. Riding his tractor, shooting jean commercials B. A Cardinal, because if he's going to play, it better be on a stacked team. C. Tormenting the Vikings with his will he/wont he retire crap that he's been pulling for about five years now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chavez Posted January 17, 2010 Share Posted January 17, 2010 (edited) Not sure I would place a bet either way... What could be next after being a viking? EitherA. Riding his tractor, shooting jean commercials B. A Cardinal, because if he's going to play, it better be on a stacked team. C. Tormenting the Vikings with his will he/wont he retire crap that he's been pulling for about five years now. I'd really like for Vikes fans to get at least two offseasons of C. They deserve the full Favre treatment. Edited January 17, 2010 by Chavez Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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