The Holy Roller Posted February 12, 2008 Share Posted February 12, 2008 I'm suprised that no one has recognized Mr Lincoln's REAL birthday today. In my opinion one of the two greatest presidents our nation has ever had. (No, Mr. Davis is not the other). Oh, and also... ...to the Grand Old Party today. Who would have thought a republican would have saved the nation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Yukon Cornelius Posted February 12, 2008 Share Posted February 12, 2008 I'm suprised that no one has recognized Mr Lincoln's REAL birthday today. In my opinion one of the two greatest presidents our nation has ever had. (No, Mr. Davis is not the other). Oh, and also... ...to the Grand Old Party today. Who would have thought a republican would have saved the nation. and its surprised Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polksalet Posted February 14, 2008 Share Posted February 14, 2008 Happy Birthday Mr Lincoln, How is hell these days? Those colon pineapple treatments still working out well for you? Tell Satan hello. Cya, P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yo mama Posted February 14, 2008 Share Posted February 14, 2008 (edited) Happy Birthday Mr Lincoln, How is hell these days? Those colon pineapple treatments still working out well for you? Tell Satan hello. Cya, P So he suspended habeus corpus for a little while. Who hasn't? Edited February 14, 2008 by yo mama Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocknrobn26 Posted February 14, 2008 Share Posted February 14, 2008 Jefferson Davis shares a bedroom w/ Abe! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polksalet Posted February 14, 2008 Share Posted February 14, 2008 So he suspended habeus corpus for a little while. Who hasn't? yeah and started a war and killed over a million people because God wanted him to. I mean its not like Hitler did the same thing later on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocknrobn26 Posted February 14, 2008 Share Posted February 14, 2008 Lincoln was misunderstood. He just wanted equality! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yo mama Posted February 14, 2008 Share Posted February 14, 2008 yeah and started a war and killed over a million people because God wanted him to. I mean its not like Hitler did the same thing later on. A million is a bit high. Most experts say 600,000 - 700,000; though your point is the same regardless. But for the record, seven Southern states declared their secession from the Union before Lincoln ever took office. And hostilities didn't begin until April 12, 1861, when Confederate forces attacked a US installation at Fort Sumter in South Carolina. I understand many folks are still sensitive on this matter, and I'm not trying to diss your opinion. However, I don't think its factually accurate to say Lincoln started the Civil War. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polksalet Posted February 14, 2008 Share Posted February 14, 2008 Lincoln was misunderstood. He just wanted equality! yep, him and Osama. Oh nevermind, Osama didnt kill as many. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonorator Posted February 14, 2008 Share Posted February 14, 2008 yeah and started a war and killed over a million people because God wanted him to. I mean its not like Hitler did the same thing later on. spain? is that you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Swerski Posted February 14, 2008 Share Posted February 14, 2008 Lincoln was a remarkable man. One of the greatest that this country has seen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skippy Posted February 14, 2008 Share Posted February 14, 2008 (edited) Lincoln was way ahead of his time. I was just talking to my eleven year old about Lincoln and it seems that the schools are not teaching things nearly the way they did when I was in fifth grade. Edited February 14, 2008 by Skippy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polksalet Posted February 14, 2008 Share Posted February 14, 2008 A million is a bit high. Most experts say 600,000 - 700,000; though your point is the same regardless. But for the record, seven Southern states declared their secession from the Union before Lincoln ever took office. And hostilities didn't begin until April 12, 1861, when Confederate forces attacked a US installation at Fort Sumter in South Carolina. I understand many folks are still sensitive on this matter, and I'm not trying to diss your opinion. However, I don't think its factually accurate to say Lincoln started the Civil War. Aight, let's say that Germany ordered all of our troops out of the country. We refused and instead flew some c-130's in to resupply our bases. Germany attacked our c-130's. We responded by invading Germany. Is this a different thing than what happened at Fort Sumter? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonorator Posted February 14, 2008 Share Posted February 14, 2008 Aight, let's say that Germany ordered all of our troops out of the country. We refused and instead flew some c-130's in to resupply our bases. Germany attacked our c-130's. We responded by invading Germany. Is this a different thing than what happened at Fort Sumter? it is you! welcome back buddy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yo mama Posted February 14, 2008 Share Posted February 14, 2008 (edited) Aight, let's say that Germany ordered all of our troops out of the country. We refused and instead flew some c-130's in to resupply our bases. Germany attacked our c-130's. We responded by invading Germany. Is this a different thing than what happened at Fort Sumter? From a tactical point of view, I think that is an excellent analogy. But I don't think comparing Germany (an autonomous country expelling foreigners) with South Carolina (merely a state within an autonomous country, subject to a centralized federal government) is as strong a comparison. Still, I get your point, and its a valid one. Nevertheless, it was the Confederate who troops fired the first shots, after 7 states succeeded. You can't pin those actions (which "began" the Civil War) on Abe Lincoln, especially since the initial decision to resupply Ft. Sumpter was made by President Buchanan. Edited February 14, 2008 by yo mama Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Neutron Posted February 14, 2008 Share Posted February 14, 2008 Lincoln was a grand orator, but I think he did more harm than good. He assumed federal powers that were never meant to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polksalet Posted February 14, 2008 Share Posted February 14, 2008 From a tactical point of view, I think that is an excellent analogy. But I don't think comparing Germany (an autonomous country expelling foreigners) with South Carolina (merely a state within an autonomous country, subject to a centralized federal government) is as strong a comparison. Still, I get your point, and its a valid one. Nevertheless, it was the Confederate who troops fired the first shots, after 7 states succeeded. You can't pin those actions (which "began" the Civil War) on Abe Lincoln, especially since the initial decision to resupply Ft. Sumpter was made by President Buchanan. Wasn't Lincoln President when Sumter was resupplied? If so, is he not to blame? Could he not have recalled the ships? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yukon Cornelius Posted February 14, 2008 Share Posted February 14, 2008 abe needed to let Sherman loose.. if he hadn't held him back things would be a lot better . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yo mama Posted February 14, 2008 Share Posted February 14, 2008 (edited) Wasn't Lincoln President when Sumter was resupplied? If so, is he not to blame? Could he not have recalled the ships? After South Carolina succeeded from the Union Ft. Sumpter was one of the few Union strong holds (four, I believe) that were in Confederate territory. Then President Buchanan made a decision to resupply Ft. Sumpter to prevent it from falling. He ordered the ship, Star of the West, to Ft. Sumpter. But the effort failed when Citadel cadets fired on the ship. Those were the first shots of the Civil War. So in a sense, Lincoln merely inherited someone else's mess. You might fault ol' Abe for how he played his hand once he took office; but he wasn't the man who dealt the cards. Edited February 14, 2008 by yo mama Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cunning Runt Posted February 14, 2008 Share Posted February 14, 2008 Not that anyone give's a rat's ass, but I spent a good chunk of the day (by coincidence) in Springfield, IL yesterday - Home of Lincoln. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polksalet Posted February 14, 2008 Share Posted February 14, 2008 After South Carolina succeeded from the Union Ft. Sumpter was one of the few Union strong holds (four, I believe) that were in Confederate territory. Then President Buchanan made a decision to resupply Ft. Sumpter to prevent it from falling. He ordered the ship, Star of the West, to Ft. Sumpter. But the effort failed when Citadel cadets fired on the ship. Those were the first shots of the Civil War. So in a sense, Lincoln merely inherited someone else's mess. You might fault ol' Abe for how he played his hand once he took office; but he wasn't the man who dealt the cards. my point is he could have turned the boats around and he didn't. He knew by his action/inaction it would draw a response and give him an excuse to attack. And he did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yo mama Posted February 14, 2008 Share Posted February 14, 2008 (edited) my point is he could have turned the boats around and he didn't. He knew by his action/inaction it would draw a response and give him an excuse to attack. And he did. Hey, I'm not trying to change your mind on the rightness or wrongness of what anyone did or didn't do. I'm merely trying to highlight the fact that the Civil War was already set into motion before Lincoln took office. He didn't start the war. Sure, he could have kept it from escalating by giving up. But the same is true for the Confederacy. Edited February 14, 2008 by yo mama Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polksalet Posted February 14, 2008 Share Posted February 14, 2008 Hey, I'm not trying to change your mind on the rightness or wrongness of what anyone did or didn't do. I'm merely trying to highlight the fact that the Civil War was already set into motion before Lincoln took office. He didn't start the war. Sure, he could have kept it from escalating by giving up. But the same is true for the Confederacy. Oh it was pretty well underway. His election only sealed the deal. Either way, the south did not wish not invade the north. They only wanted to be left alone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yukon Cornelius Posted February 14, 2008 Share Posted February 14, 2008 Oh it was pretty well underway. His election only sealed the deal. Either way, the south did not wish not invade the north. They only wanted to be left alone. ah no they wanted to leave the union like the mormons tried some years later.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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