theprofessor Posted November 27, 2010 Share Posted November 27, 2010 1. Oregon 2. Auburn 3. TCU 4. Stanford 5. LSU 6. Wisconsin 7. Ohio State 8. Oklahoma State 9. Boise State 10. Arkansas 11. Nebraska 12. Michigan State 13. Missouri 14. Virginia Tech 15. Nevada 16. Texas A&M 17. Alabama 18. Oklahoma 19. South Carolina 20. Florida State Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockerbraves Posted November 27, 2010 Share Posted November 27, 2010 1. Oregon2. Auburn 3. TCU 4. Stanford 5. LSU 6. Wisconsin 7. Ohio State 8. Oklahoma State 9. Boise State 10. Arkansas 11. Nebraska 12. Michigan State 13. Missouri 14. Virginia Tech 15. Nevada 16. Texas A&M 17. Alabama 18. Oklahoma 19. South Carolina 20. Florida State Honest question. If LSU beats Arkansas do they move up in your ranking and Arkansas drop? And what happens in your ranking should the Hogs win and the Tigers lose? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theprofessor Posted November 27, 2010 Author Share Posted November 27, 2010 OK, I'll play. There are a lot of factors that would come into play with today's games not being played yet. If LSU beats Arkansas and Stanford has a close game with Oregon State today but beats them I would put LSU above Stanford into the #4 spot. This would be based on the fact that beating Arkansas on their field would be a much better quality win then Stanford beating Oregon State at home. If LSU loses I would have to drop them somewhere around 8-11 (probably #9), but again it matters what the teams behind them do today. How about we get to the implication of your question ....." Why do you rank Stanford above LSU?" I would agree that LSU has faced the tougher schedule. They have both lost one game. Stanford to Oregon in a game that was hotly contested until about 5 minutes left in the 3rd quarter on the road and LSU on the road to Auburn in a close game. Stanford's margin of victory is 25 points. LSU's = 14 points. Lsu has only played 4 games away from home while Stanford has played 6 games away from home. Stanfords out of conference games: Sacramento State, Wake Forest and Notre Dame (away). Margin of victory - 34 points LSU O.O.C. = North Carolina (neutral field, half of NC starters were suspended), West Virginia, McNeese St, Louisiana Monroe. MOV = 20 points You know as well as I do that LSU has struggled to win many close games and they had a lot of things go their way at the end of games to pull out close games. Need to look no further than the Tennessee game, or the Florida game ... the overhead pitch on the FG attempt late in the game to the FG kicker that bounced straight up off the ground to his waiting arms. The LSU defense is very good as is the Stanford defense. There is one major difference between these two teamsand that is at the QB position. Andrew Luck is head and shoulders above any of the LSU QB's the Tigers roll out there. I would also say, with confidence, that I'd rather have Harbaugh on the sidelines than Les Miles, who multiple times has shown to be unprepared at crucial times with time management. On a neutral field Stanford beats LSU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockerbraves Posted November 27, 2010 Share Posted November 27, 2010 How about we get to the implication of your question ....." Why do you rank Stanford above LSU?" I would agree that LSU has faced the tougher schedule. They have both lost one game. Stanford to Oregon in a game that was hotly contested until about 5 minutes left in the 3rd quarter on the road and LSU on the road to Auburn in a close game. Stanford's margin of victory is 25 points. LSU's = 14 points. Lsu has only played 4 games away from home while Stanford has played 6 games away from home.Don't brush off Stanford's lost so easily. 52-31 is pretty convincing while LSU only lost was by a TD. That is significant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWPFFL BrianW Posted November 27, 2010 Share Posted November 27, 2010 I have LSU ahead of Stanford, but it's apples to apples. Both teams have their strengths, both are flawed. That would be a fun bowl game to be quite honest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildcat2334 Posted November 27, 2010 Share Posted November 27, 2010 Don't brush off Stanford's lost so easily. 52-31 is pretty convincing while LSU only lost was by a TD. That is significant. just can't get the Tenn game out of my head. Real convincing how not elite LSU is Bring on an LSU Stanford bowl game - that would be fun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildcat2334 Posted November 27, 2010 Share Posted November 27, 2010 1. Oregon2. Auburn 3. TCU 4. Stanford 5. LSU 6. Wisconsin 7. Ohio State 8. Oklahoma State 9. Boise State 10. Arkansas 11. Nebraska 12. Michigan State 13. Missouri 14. Virginia Tech 15. Nevada 16. Texas A&M 17. Alabama 18. Oklahoma 19. South Carolina 20. Florida State nice work - on the mark and I don't really have a problem anywhere Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detlef Posted November 27, 2010 Share Posted November 27, 2010 nice work - on the mark and I don't really have a problem anywhere Agreed. I don't happen to think FSU is top 20 but that is a minor, minor quibble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockerbraves Posted November 29, 2010 Share Posted November 29, 2010 OK, I'll play. There are a lot of factors that would come into play with today's games not being played yet. If LSU beats Arkansas and Stanford has a close game with Oregon State today but beats them I would put LSU above Stanford into the #4 spot. This would be based on the fact that beating Arkansas on their field would be a much better quality win then Stanford beating Oregon State at home. If LSU loses I would have to drop them somewhere around 8-11 (probably #9), but again it matters what the teams behind them do today. You play pretty well Today's BCS Standings 1 Auburn 12-0 2 Oregon 11-0 3 TCU 12-0 4 Stanford 11-1 5 Wisconsin 11-1 6 Ohio State 11-1 7 Arkansas 10-2 8 Michigan State 11-1 9 Oklahoma 10-2 10 LSU 10-2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detlef Posted November 29, 2010 Share Posted November 29, 2010 Agreed. I don't happen to think FSU is top 20 but that is a minor, minor quibble. OK, I even take that back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEC=UGA Posted November 29, 2010 Share Posted November 29, 2010 (edited) OK, I even take that back. Don't, Florida is just that bad this year, as is the balance of the SEC. This is a conference that is going to get hammered in the bowl games, hammered. Edited November 29, 2010 by SEC=UGA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detlef Posted November 29, 2010 Share Posted November 29, 2010 Don't, Florida is just that bad this year, as is the balance of the SEC. This is a conference that is going to get hammered in the bowl games, hammered. Well, nobody is any better and FSU did beat them handily. At least enough to legitimize a top 20 ranking. Sad but true that the SEC's OOC victories vs WVU and A&M place them above everyone else in terms of conferences proving themselves against the rest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Living the Dream Posted November 29, 2010 Share Posted November 29, 2010 My top 20 1. Auburn 2. Oregon 3. Wisconsin 4. TCU 5. Ohio State 6. Stanford 7. Michigan State 8. Arkansas 9. Oklahoma 10. LSU 11. Nebraska 12. Missouri 13. Oklahoma State 14. Alabama 15. Boise State 16. South Carolina 17. Texas A&M 18. Florida State 19. Nevada 20. Utah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthtownWarriors Posted November 29, 2010 Share Posted November 29, 2010 My Top 20: 1. Ohio State 2. Ohio State 3. Ohio State 4. Ohio State 5. Ohio State 6. Ohio State 7. Ohio State 8. Ohio State 9. Ohio State 10. Ohio State 11. Ohio State 12. Ohio State 13. Ohio State 14. Ohio State 15. Ohio State 16. Ohio State 17. Ohio State 18. Ohio State 19. Ohio State 20. Ohio State Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWPFFL BrianW Posted November 29, 2010 Share Posted November 29, 2010 1. Auburn 2. Oregon 3. Wisconsin 4. Ohio State 5. Stanford 6. Arkansas 7. Michigan State 8. LSU 9. Oklahoma 10. Nebraska 11. TCU 12. Boise State 13. Alabama 14. Oklahoma State 15. Nevada 16. South Carolina 17. Florida State 18. Texas A & M 19. Missouri 20. Mississippi State Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detlef Posted November 29, 2010 Share Posted November 29, 2010 1. Auburn 2. Oregon 3. TCU 4. Stanford 5. Wisconsin 6. OSU 7. Arkansas 8. Boise St 9. Michigan St 10. Oklahoma 11. LSU 12. Nevada 13. Nebraska 14. Okie St 15. South Carolina 16. Bama 17. Va Tech 18. Missouri 19. A&M 20. FSU That's tougher than you'd think. Especially by the time you get to the mid teens. The local guy here has an AP vote and puts teams in front of teams they beat, to a fault. But that's easier said than done. I think you'd have to do it if you were talking about two teams at the absolute top. But I think it's OK to ignore that as you move down a bit. For instance, I can't put MSU ahead of Wisc nor Nevada ahead of BSU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theprofessor Posted November 29, 2010 Author Share Posted November 29, 2010 As I stated in my opener, this was My Top 20 prior to this weekends games but after just watching the taped Auburn-Alabama game for the first time I think that I would have to place Auburn ahead of Oregon. Their interior lines are impressive and I think Oregon might struggle with them. I think the difference if these 2 teams face off is if Oregon can wear Auburn's defense down with sustained drives. I don't believe anyone, including Auburn, can play at Oregon's pace. If Oregon can consistently move the chains Auburn will be gassed in the latter stages of the game. It would be a great game and I'm hoping we see it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildcat2334 Posted November 29, 2010 Share Posted November 29, 2010 My Top 10 Oregon Auburn Stanford Wisky TCU Ohio St. Ark Boise St. OKL LSU Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockerbraves Posted November 30, 2010 Share Posted November 30, 2010 Wow! Look at the Colley Matrix Top 20 1. AUBURN 0.986102 12-0 0.567118: 32 5 5 W: #9 ARKANSAS 2. OREGON 0.923751 11-0 0.500797: 70 1 4 W: #5 STANFORD 3. TCU 0.909069 12-0 0.477247: 82 1 4 W: #19 UTAH 4. OKLAHOMA 0.901385 10-2 0.634949: 2 2 5 W: #13 OKLAHOMA ST 5. STANFORD 0.885461 11-1 0.533037: 56 1 4 W: #24 NOTRE DAME 6. MICHIGAN ST 0.878039 11-1 0.524379: 60 2 5 W: #12 WISCONSIN 7. MISSOURI 0.875478 10-2 0.604725: 11 2 5 W: #4 OKLAHOMA 8. OHIO STATE 0.874411 11-1 0.520146: 62 0 5 W: #35 MICHIGAN 9. ARKANSAS 0.865797 10-2 0.593429: 15 4 4 W: #10 LSU 10. LSU 0.859975 10-2 0.586638: 23 3 5 W: #17 ALABAMA 11. BOISE ST 0.850873 10-1 0.505577: 67 2 4 W: #20 VA TECH 12. WISCONSIN 0.848974 11-1 0.490470: 74 1 3 W: #8 OHIO STATE 13. OKLAHOMA ST 0.847881 10-2 0.572528: 28 1 5 W: #14 TEXAS A&M 14. TEXAS A&M 0.818906 9-3 0.622057: 6 2 4 W: #4 OKLAHOMA 15. NEBRASKA 0.816481 10-2 0.535895: 53 2 4 W: #7 MISSOURI 16. NEVADA 0.794313 11-1 0.426699: 103 1 2 W: #11 BOISE ST 17. ALABAMA 0.791024 9-3 0.589528: 19 2 4 W: #9 ARKANSAS 18. S CAROLINA 0.775307 9-3 0.571191: 29 1 3 W: #17 ALABAMA 19. UTAH 0.773344 10-2 0.485568: 78 0 2 W: #28 AIR FORCE 20. VA TECH 0.763088 10-2 0.473602: 83 0 4 W: #27 NC STATE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akfatha Posted November 30, 2010 Share Posted November 30, 2010 1. Auburn2. Oregon 3. TCU 4. Stanford 5. Wisconsin 6. OSU 7. Arkansas 8. Boise St 9. Michigan St 10. Oklahoma 11. LSU 12. Nevada 13. Nebraska 14. Okie St 15. South Carolina 16. Bama 17. Va Tech 18. Missouri 19. A&M 20. FSU That's tougher than you'd think. Especially by the time you get to the mid teens. The local guy here has an AP vote and puts teams in front of teams they beat, to a fault. But that's easier said than done. I think you'd have to do it if you were talking about two teams at the absolute top. But I think it's OK to ignore that as you move down a bit. For instance, I can't put MSU ahead of Wisc nor Nevada ahead of BSU. that seems hard to do texas a&m > oklahoma/nebraska oklahoma state > texas a&m oklahoma state < nebraska/oklahoma texas > nebraska ou/osu > texas missouri > oklahoma nebraska > missouri i dont quite see how he could manage to do that and keep it in line all season... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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