tazinib1 Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 (edited) They just signed Seymore, giving him $22million guaranteed. What are the chances they are able to sign Nnamdi Asomugha now? Slim to zero. Nice job Al. Asomugha will be THE FA prize this year effectively removing him from a rival we play 2 times a year. Edited February 18, 2011 by tazinib1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 How much of a pay cut do you expect Asomugha to take when he signs with another team? I'll give Davis one thing - at least he tacitly admitted how big a mistake that contract was, and he's poisoned the well for other teams. Looks like he had his lucid moment for this decade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piratesownninjas Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 Asomugha will be THE FA prize this year effectively removing him from a rival we play 2 times a year. Not having to play Asomugha and Bailey a combined four times a year should be nice for the Chargers and KC this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keggerz Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 Not having to play Asomugha and Bailey a combined four times a year should be nice for the Chargers and KC this year. can't remember where i read it but the broncos supposedly haven't given up on signing bailey yet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piratesownninjas Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 can't remember where i read it but the broncos supposedly haven't given up on signing bailey yet I've read that the talks had already broken down again... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpholmes Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 They just signed Seymore, giving him $22million guaranteed. What are the chances they are able to sign Nnamdi Asomugha now? Slim to zero. Nice job Al. Asomugha will be THE FA prize this year effectively removing him from a rival we play 2 times a year. While there is no bigger Asomugha fan than me, Davis said back in early January that though he loves Nnamdi and would love to have him back, only if the price is right. He then went on to say that if they're paying him so much that they could afford to pay 2-3 other good players (i.e. Miller, Huff, Bush, Gallery) with his salary alone, it wouldn't make sense. Al HAD to pay Seymour after trading the first for him, and I'm ok with that. Seymour is doing more for the Raiders than effectively playing the 3-technique DT. He's also mentoring the future of the Raiders D-Line in Kelly, Houston, and Shaughnessy. With the effective rotation they had on the Dline last season, Seymour was able to stay pretty fresh. He had one or two nagging injuries for a few weeks there, but overall I think with the way the Raiders are playing it, he'll be a force on the front the next two seasons. Also keep in mind, the possibility of Nnamdi returning isn't entirely ruled out by this. Al has ALWAYS paid his athletes big money when they deserved it, so there's no reason he wouldn't sign Nnamdi to a big contract where he makes the bulk of his money after Seymour's guarantee. In my opinion it's still a 50/50 toss up: Nnamdi wants to win more than he wants money, and just as he was ready to jump ship on the Raiders and head for a winning team, the Raiders started to turn things areound last season. Now he has to decide if he wants to continue to try and win with them team he helped build. Also, the addition of his old teammate and close friend Rod Woodson will play a big role in his decision, and could go down as one of Al's best coaching hires of all time if it plays a role in Nnamdi staying. I wouldn't be shocked if he stayed, I wouldn't be shocked if he left. Either way Taz, you're a bit off the mark on this one and letting your Al Davis hatred get the best of you. PS - there's already a thread on Seymour AND Nnamdi on the first page of the forums. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Square Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 Either way Taz, you're a bit off the mark on this one and letting your Al Davis hatred get the best of you. Yea, and you're letting your homerism get the best of you. Apparently its day time, water is wet and the earth is turning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazinib1 Posted February 18, 2011 Author Share Posted February 18, 2011 Either way Taz, you're a bit off the mark on this one and letting your Al Davis hatred get the best of you.PS - there's already a thread on Seymour AND Nnamdi on the first page of the forums. Not the first time and probably won't be the last. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpholmes Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 Yea, and you're letting your homerism get the best of you. Apparently its day time, water is wet and the earth is turning. Homerism and Blind Homerism aren't the same things, champ. If you've ever read anything I've posted, which apparently you haven't, you'd know I'm about as unbiased as it gets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazinib1 Posted February 18, 2011 Author Share Posted February 18, 2011 You can sugar coat the Seymour signing anyway you want it Kyle, but the reality of the ungodly amount of $ Al has thrown to undeserving players in recent past has pretty much destroyed any chance of retaining Nnamdi. And yes my hatred of the Raiders and disdain for Al over-rides clear thinking at times and I'm not at all ashamed of that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpholmes Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 You can sugar coat the Seymour signing anyway you want it Kyle, but the reality of the ungodly amount of $ Al has thrown to undeserving players in recent past has pretty much destroyed any chance of retaining Nnamdi. And yes my hatred of the Raiders and disdain for Al over-rides clear thinking at times and I'm not at all ashamed of that Has Al been an easy target in seasons past? Absolutely. Do I despise what he's done to the franchise in the past decade? Most certainly. The truth of the matter is though, he's done very little to warrant criticism this year - and the general public can't stand that. He let his woman beating coach with an anger management problem walk, and he paid a lineman who is admittedly coming down from the prime of his career top dollar, after trading a first for him. Neither of which remotely compare to decisions made with DeAngello Hall, Gibril Wilson, Javon Walker or Tommy Kelly. Was Seymour overpaid? Absolutely. Was he SO overpaid that he gets thrown in with the lot of previous head-scratchers? Not at all. Stop grasping at straws and looking for reasons to bash. (Especially with your own teams current management) If this is the most controversial decision he makes this year, I have no problem with it. If he'd ponied up and paid Nnamdi 16+ Mil a season for the next four years like everyone is saying he should, people would jump on the hate train then as well. At this point in his life, after the FA/Draft blunders he's made, Al Davis can't win. Furthermore this (Seymour) and re-signing Nnamdi are mutually exclusive. The Raiders have the money to keep both if that's what Al decided he wants to do, but as he's stated - when it gets to a certain price, it just doesn't make sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazinib1 Posted February 18, 2011 Author Share Posted February 18, 2011 At this point in his life, after the FA/Draft blunders he's made, Al Davis can't win. The Raiders have the money to keep both if that's what Al decided he wants to do, but as he's stated - when it gets to a certain price, it just doesn't make sense. And that makes me all giddy inside. But I would like to interject something into your belief that they can retain Nnambi for just a second. Are you telling me that when the Raiders slap the FT on Zach Miller, thereby paying him the top 5 TE average, they will be able to afford Nnambi??? Thats crazy talk. Nnambi is gone at the price of Seymour and its that simple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpholmes Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 And that makes me all giddy inside. But I would like to interject something into your belief that they can retain Nnambi for just a second. Are you telling me that when the Raiders slap the FT on Zach Miller, thereby paying him the top 5 TE average, they will be able to afford Nnambi??? Thats crazy talk. Nnambi is gone at the price of Seymour and its that simple. First of all, it's Nnamdi. Secondly, I'm saying that with a FA list like the Raiders have: Michael Huff, Stanford Routt, Robert Gallery, Langston Walker, Mario Henderson, Richard Seymour, John Henderson, Zach Miller, Thomas Howard, Johnnie Lee Higgins, and Michael Bush - Yes, if he wanted to he absolutely could pay Nnamdi and Seymour. He just couldn't afford much else Miller would be $7.3 mil to keep with the FT, but there's speculation that Al will hold off on the tag in hopes that CBA negotiations would leave Miller and Bush as RFAs he could sign to tenders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazinib1 Posted February 18, 2011 Author Share Posted February 18, 2011 First of all, it's Nnamdi. I should learn how to spell it since its gonna be on a powder blue jersey. Wait...we have AJ Smith. Nevermind. :sigh: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpholmes Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 I should learn how to spell it since its gonna be on a powder blue jersey. Wait...we have AJ Smith. Nevermind. :sigh: Nnamdi is his first name, Westby. Last names go on the back of the jersey in the NFL, and most other major sports. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazinib1 Posted February 18, 2011 Author Share Posted February 18, 2011 Nnamdi is his first name, Westby. Last names go on the back of the jersey in the NFL, and most other major sports. You are not playing along nicely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpholmes Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 You are not playing along nicely. Haha, sorry. If/when Nnamdi walks away, it won't be to SD. He wants to win, remember? Why would he join a team he beat twice the previous season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazinib1 Posted February 18, 2011 Author Share Posted February 18, 2011 Haha, sorry. If/when Nnamdi walks away, it won't be to SD. He wants to win, remember? Why would he join a team he beat twice the previous season? Thats a low blow Kyle. And as much as I love to slam Al, its only because of AJ ineptness. Here is a nice little gem from his recent GM Brilliance quote list: When recently asked about Vincent Jackson: "I'm comfortable with not giving him a long-term deal right now and we are not negotiating a long-term deal," said Smith. "We'll see how the year goes, but not at the present time." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpholmes Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 Man this is a slow offseason... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazinib1 Posted February 18, 2011 Author Share Posted February 18, 2011 Man this is a slow offseason... It's gonna be even slower when I start a 4 week feature this Monday. How is RRJ gonna get his rocks off now that I'm working again. Poor guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Square Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 Homerism and Blind Homerism aren't the same things, champ. No chit? No reason to be condescending there sport. If you've ever read anything I've posted, which apparently you haven't, you'd know I'm about as unbiased as it gets.I've read all your stuff that gets posted here. Settle down with the indignation. It was more joke than anything, but no I do not believe you are "as unbiased as it gets". I never called you a blind homer so me saying that you are letting your homerism get the better of you != kp being a blind homer. I freely admit that you try to be unbiased but that doesn't mean others automatically agree. That being said, I don't see you being consistent in this thread. You said that Al could sign NA but he wouldn't have money left for much else. But earlier in the thread you say you think its a 50/50 shot they sign NA. So if he only has the money to sign Seymour and his FA players (Michael Huff, Stanford Routt, Robert Gallery, Langston Walker, Mario Henderson, Richard Seymour, John Henderson, Zach Miller, Thomas Howard, Johnnie Lee Higgins, and Michael Bush) or Seymour and NA than I don't think Taz is that far off in stating that since he gave 22+ mil to Seymour that NA is most likely gone. Couldn't we all agree that it would be pretty much impossible to put on the field a winning team if the Raiders lost the vast majority of their free agents except NA and Seymour? Your other claim is that NA "might" stay because he wants to win with a team that he helped build. If that was the case than wouldn't he realize (or his agent) that his contract would keep the Raiders from fielding a team that is really capable of winning anything. Besides 8 and 8 is pretty good for a team that hasn't won more than 5 games in a season since 2002 but I don't necessarily believe they are on the verge of anything great (still have questions at QB). Maybe NA does, but I don't really see how. The vast majority of the NFL teams are between 10 - 6 and 6 - 10. So I don't see how an 8 win season with a new head coach would inspire him to resign if he really cares more about winning than about his contract. If he is going to take a pay cut I would assume he would want to bet on more of a proven winner than Oakland. But I haven't studied the Raiders financial situation so I could be off (just going by what has been said here). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byron2112 Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 The Raiders were paying both Sey and Nnam franchise dollars last season, so I don't think doing so this season is impossible... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turf Smurf Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 Homerism and Blind Homerism aren't the same things, champ. If you've ever read anything I've posted, which apparently you haven't, you'd know I'm about as unbiased as it gets. unbiased??? perhaps it would be better if you put your bra back on... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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