junta Posted October 2, 2005 Share Posted October 2, 2005 he has this sports hernia... they say he will play through pain... wonderful... great... they say that if he aggravates it further- it will take a much longer time to heal even after surgery... wonderful... great.... so what do they do---? they let him play.... or is it he demands to play? my take on this whole thing is this- he should have had the surgery last monday... it is a 6 week healing process after surgery... by the time he would be recovered there would still be 6 or 7 games to play... while he would be healing after surgery the eagles enjoy a bye week-- so now we are down to really 5 weeks of downtime... the eagles face the following opponents in this order: @ chiefs @ cowboys BYE chargers @ broncos @ deadskins now- according to docs heal time is 6-8 weeks... so lets say he needs 8 weeks... after the deadskins the eagles play: cowboys MNF @ giants why not have the surgery on monday of this last week.... instead of boasting about how tough he is blah blah blah.... tough? come on-- this is soooooooo stoooooopid of him to be allowed to play... the nfc east sucks ass... the eagles are good enough to win without mcnabb-- they have proven this in the past... even if they lost every game during his recovery-- the nfc east is so bad- they would still take the title... but really-- they have tools in place to win more than half of the games with him out.... and then bring him back on monday night football against the cowboys at home... but nooooooo--- they are gonna let him play-- potentially lose him for maybe the season.... all because they cannot plan properly.... he will play and be held back by the injury and potentially lose games that may have been won with a healthy backup......... today the talk is how he injured his abs in the superbowl and they were aggravated to the point of hernia because of offseason weight lifting workout... i am a lifetime eagles phan.... and i think letting him play is really dumb....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scourge Posted October 2, 2005 Share Posted October 2, 2005 It is AT LEAST a six week healing process. Sheldon Brown played with this injury all of last season. Did you even hear about it? No.. Because it is an injury that can be played through. He will be fine, relax. If Donovan is out for six weeks, the Eagles may not make the playoffs.. period. You have to play him. The NFC East is not as bad as they have been tyhe last several years. You sound like a complete donkey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puddy Posted October 2, 2005 Share Posted October 2, 2005 You sound like a complete donkey. 1036716[/snapback] I think his opinion is valid. Just because you don't agree with it doesn't call for that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junta Posted October 2, 2005 Author Share Posted October 2, 2005 hey scourge- you bring up sheldon brown and the fact that he played with a sports hernia... why not go on and mention to the people reading this thread that brown had his sports hernia in 2003--- when he wasnt a starter and wasnt playing nearly as much as he does now....? just this wednesday-- sheldon brown was asked whether he could play with a sports hernia as a full-time starter--- you know what he said? "Honestly, probably not." eagles toughest part of the schedule is in the next 4-6 weeks... plus there is a bye in there--- the latter part of the schedule is light... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junta Posted October 2, 2005 Author Share Posted October 2, 2005 http://my.webmd.com/content/article/15/167...C-9531713CA348} Robert Smith, Running Back for the Minnesota Vikings By Josh Palley WebMD Feature NAME: Robert Smith TEAM: Minnesota Vikings (Football) POSITION: Running Back INJURY: Sports Hernia OTHER ATHLETES AFFECTED Scottie Pippen, Portland Trail Blazers; Marty McSorley, Edmonton Oilers (retired); LaPhonso Ellis, Atlanta Hawks; Chris Wells, Florida Panthers HOW IT HAPPENED Smith was diagnosed with a sports hernia after complaining of pain, soreness, and weakness in the abdomen. It may have occurred in any of a number of different situations. He required minor surgery and was slated to miss 3-6 weeks. He missed three complete games and was hindered in others. He returned on October 19, 1999, two weeks ahead of schedule. PLAYER BIO Smith is the starting back for the Minnesota Vikings. He has the highest average yards per touchdown run in the history of the league (25.8). He holds the Vikings' record for most rush yards in a single season with 1,266 in 1997 and was named to his first Pro Bowl in 1998. He has had a history of injuries and has never started more than 14 games in a season (not including playoffs). WHAT IS A SPORTS HERNIA? A sports hernia is a vague term describing types of weakness in the anterior (front, outside) abdominal wall. As a result of this weakness, contents of the abdomen push out through the lining. An opening or gap in the wall, called a hiatus, forms from the pressure of the abdominal contents. A sports hernia is defined by abdominal contents moving through the hiatus and causing an abdominal bulge that results in a pinching pain. It results in pain and swelling in the lower abdominal muscles and the lower abdominal region. An athlete can acquire a sports hernia in two ways: 1) there can be inherent weakness in the lining of the stomach wall; then, when the athlete exerts large forces on his body, the weakness can stretch and become a hole; 2) it is possible that one dramatic strain can pull or tug on a region of the abdomen and result in such a weakness. DIAGNOSIS An athlete will describe a sharp, pinching pain. In a clinical exam, the physician will feel the abdomen trying to find a bulge. Then the physician will have the patient bear down (bend over), take deep breaths, and tighten the abdominal muscles. In this scenario, there would be a worsening of the pain as the patient inhales. It can also be diagnosed through an MRI. The physician can look at the images of the abdominal wall and find any holes or weakened portions. TREATMENT The treatment plan depends on the severity of the injury. In most cases, the treatment is rest, combined with an anti-inflammatory drug, ice, and a strengthening program. This allows most athletes to fully recover and return to their sports. If this fails and surgery is necessary, as in Smith's case, the hiatus is closed surgically and then the patient can again rest the area, use the anti-inflammatory drugs, ice, and the strengthening program. This will obviously keep the athlete out of his sport for a longer period of time. PREVENTION Fear of hernias is the main reason that athletes exercise the abdomen. The stronger an athlete's abdominal musculature is, the more stable the lower abdominal wall is and, as a result, the lesser the chance of injury. However, if the player has a pre-existing weakness, there is little that he can do to avoid an injury. RECOVERY The recovery program and period vary depending on the athlete. For minor sports hernias, an athlete may miss just 2-4 weeks. But if it is slightly more serious, he may miss six weeks. If a surgical procedure is necessary, an athlete may miss the entire season, and it may take 6-12 months before he is back to full strength. It is a slow and gradual recovery. Smith has return to playing but may still feel pain and weakness in the area, as with any other athlete who suffers this injury. LONG-TERM OUTLOOK Many athletes suffer no lingering effects from this type of injury. If the athlete is treated properly, rests well, and lets the injury heal, he will most likely be able to return to pre-injury form. If the athlete rushes back into play too soon, he may hinder both his recovery and his play. Once an athlete does return, however, he has a slightly increased chance of suffering a sports hernia in the future. Medical information was provided by Michael J. Ciccotti, MD, who is director of sports medicine at the Rothman Institute at Thomas Jefferson University Hospital in Philadelphia. He is also the team physician for Major League Baseball's Philadelphia Phillies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Score 1 Posted October 2, 2005 Share Posted October 2, 2005 Chris Perry RB Bengals, first season was a disaster due to a Sports Hernia. Jerry Porter WR Raiders, 2003 season was also mostly a disaster due to a Sports Hernia. Donovan McNabb QB Eagles, 2005 season TBD due to a Sports Hernia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fantasyfanatic Posted October 2, 2005 Share Posted October 2, 2005 It is my understanding he obtained this injury in the preseason or before that even. So far this season he has looked pretty GREAT! My only question is why announce it to the world in the first place? As far as his performance goes.....as an owner of McNabb......I am thrilled! I have no worries at all what so ever. It is not like the injury just happened.....he has already played 3 games with it. IMO if he wants to play let him. The only thing I am worried about in fantasy terms is....if the Eagles wrap up there division in week 11 or 12 ...Donavan will have time to have the surgery and still be ready for the NFL playoffs.....but screwing me for mine! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted October 2, 2005 Share Posted October 2, 2005 I don't recall anybody saying it'll take longer to rehab from this injury if he continues to play through it... and someone forgot to mention Brian Baldinger last injury being a sports hernia, but he said it was only because he was an old man by that time and just figured it was time to quit... alot of players that supposedly 'retired from sports hernia's' were in their mid-late 30's and didn't feel like going through the rehab to return, much like what you probably already heard from Rodney Harrison already from his recent injury....he's basically not coming back... we both know the Pat's will likely cut him after this season REGARDLESS what the outcome is because he's damaged goods and he's 32... McNabb is only 28....he'll be fine... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junta Posted October 2, 2005 Author Share Posted October 2, 2005 i dont think anyone here does not think he will not be fine Avernus... he will recover from this after surgery and probably quickly because of his drive... in fact surgery should be done at a younger age to insure full recovery... and about the length of recovery and it worsening: http://www.med.umich.edu/1libr/sma/sma_sporthrn_sma.htm How is it treated? The initial treatment for a sports hernia is rest. Healing will take longer if you continue to participate in activities that cause you pain. It may take a few weeks to a few months for symptoms to go away. Anti-inflammatory medicines (such as ibuprofen) and using an ice pack on the area for 20 to 30 minutes 3 to 4 times a day will decrease the discomfort Your health care provider may recommend physical therapy. If rest and physical therapy do not relieve symptoms, surgery can be done. During surgery, the lower abdominal muscles and connective tissue are released and reattached and some hip muscles are loosened. People who have had sports hernias sometimes continue to have ongoing lower abdominal muscle pain and groin pain. When can I return to my sport or activity? The goal of rehabilitation is to return you to your sport or activity as soon as is safely possible. If you return too soon you may worsen your injury, which could lead to permanent damage. Everyone recovers from injury at a different rate. Return to your activity will be determined by how soon your abdominal muscles recover, not by how many days or weeks it has been since your injury occurred. In general, the longer you have symptoms before you start treatment, the longer it will take to get better. You may return to your activity when you can bend at the waist to touch your toes and straighten back up without pain. You should be able to do a sit-up or abdominal crunch without pain. ====================== and for fantasyfanatic--- yeah this was a precondition before the season... but he ripped it during the san fran game... this injury on top of his various other injuries will make for a rough year--- and probably a bad one... if he were to get surgery--- his other ailments which need time to rest would also heal..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Trick Posted October 2, 2005 Share Posted October 2, 2005 Junta I think you may be on to something Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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