Bronco Billy Posted March 5, 2007 Share Posted March 5, 2007 (edited) Here's another challenge for you folks, if you're bored & looking for something of interest: I just rejoined a league that I had to quit 4 years ago because we opened our business. Now that I have more time on my hands, I'm taking over a team that has been run into the ground. 14 team IDP league, start 8 O players & 11 D players every week. Start 1 QB, 1-2 RBs, 2-4 WRs, & 1-2 TEs, 1 K Scoring is heavily weighted to O players, particularly QB, RB, & WR. D differentiates between DT & DE and between CB & S. Rosters are very thin at 40 active, 3 IR spots, & 3 PS spots. On top of the roster below, the previous owner also traded away his first 4 rounds of the '07 rookie draft, meaning my first pick is in the 5th round. Top 100 scorers in the league last year: QB 28 RB 27 WR 30 TE 4 DE 1 LB 7 S 2 CB 1 The team I inherited: QB Manning, Eli NYG Volek, Billy SDC RB Johnson, Rudi CIN Bell, Tatum DEN Morency, Vernand GBP Perry, Chris CIN WR Holt, Torry STL Johnson, Bryant ARI Randle El, Antwaan WAS Crayton, Patrick DAL Baskett, Hank PHI White, Roddy ATL Lewis, Greg PHI Wilson, Travis CLE TE Schobel, Matt PHI Troupe, Ben TEN K Longwell, Ryan MIN Reed, Jeff PIT DT Patterson, Mike PHI Jenkins, Kris CAR DE Mathis, Robert IND Anderson, Mark CHI Edwards, Kalimba DET Umenyiora, Osi NYG Babin, Jason HOU DE LB Merriman, Shawne SDC Witherspoon, Will STL Peterson, Julian SEA Hayes, Gerald ARI Wimbley, Kamerion CLE Tinoisamoa, Pisa STL Hodge, Abdul GBP CB McAlister, Chris BAL Trufant, Marcus SEA Newman, Terence DAL Miller, Justin NYJ CB S Phillips, Jermaine TBB Manuel, Marquand GBP Simpson, Ko BUF Huff, Michael OAK Allen, Jason MIA Here's their rankings in scoring from last year: 18 Manning, Eli NYG QB 273.531 Holt, Torry STL WR 235.332 Johnson, Rudi CIN RB 234.7108 Merriman, Shawne SDC LB 148.5117 Bell, Tatum DEN RB 144.2124 Witherspoon, Will STL LB 141133 Phillips, Jermaine TBB S 139141 Peterson, Julian SEA LB 136181 Johnson, Bryant ARI WR 121193 Hayes, Gerald ARI LB 116211 Mathis, Robert IND DE 113212 McAlister, Chris BAL CB 113246 Wimbley, Kamerion CLE LB ® 107.5286 Randle El, Antwaan WAS WR 98.5287 Reed, Jeff PIT PK 98.5306 Crayton, Patrick DAL WR 95.6320 Anderson, Mark CHI DE ® 92322 Longwell, Ryan MIN PK 91.8354 Trufant, Marcus SEA CB 86355 Manuel, Marquand GBP S 85.5358 Simpson, Ko BUF S ® 85372 Morency, Vernand GBP RB 83.7382 Newman, Terence DAL CB 80423 Baskett, Hank PHI WR ® 74.4426 Huff, Michael OAK S ® 74442 Miller, Justin NYJ CB 72.5471 White, Roddy ATL WR 67.6484 Patterson, Mike PHI DT 66518 Lewis, Greg PHI WR 62.3547 Edwards, Kalimba DET DE 58562 Umenyiora, Osi NYG DE 56.5640 Jenkins, Kris CAR DT 47.5693 Tinoisamoa, Pisa STL LB 43.5697 Babin, Jason HOU DE 42.5720 Schobel, Matt PHI TE 40.4771 Troupe, Ben TEN TE 34.5874 Allen, Jason MIA S ® 24.5963 Hodge, Abdul GBP LB ® 191047 Perry, Chris CIN RB 13.51257 Wilson, Travis CLE WR ® 4.21433 Volek, Billy SDC QB 0.2 Here's what I see: The D is solid & young. 3 very good LBs with a solid 4th. Solid DEs & S, also young. CBs are okay, DTs don't score enough to matter much. Where the real trouble lies is on the O side, which is where a team can least afford to be weak. E Manning ranked 11th in QBs, making him a low starter/decent #2 QB , and there's no one behind him. The only RBs who have any value are the R Johnson/C Perry Tandem and some slight value of T Bell to the K Jones owner. Holt has great immediate value with other WRs of note being B Johnson & Roddy White being possible future #2/#3 WRs if they develop. So, my thoughts are these: I may as well keep my D intact & work around it. D players play longer than O players and may be in their prime with quite a few of the guys in 3-4 years. E Manning has little to no trade value, as he scores low for QBs and Coughlin has really hindered him. I may as well hang onto him & see if he turns into something. Volek may have some very small trade value to the Rivers' owner - maybe ask a 6th rounder since he's not going to start for me & I'm not convinced he can play significantly at the NFL level anyhow. The real issues are R Johnson & Holt. By the time this team is rebuilt, they'll be out of the league. I figure that I ought to get value for them right now while I can - which means I may be able to gain higher draft picks for these guys - maybe a mid-1st round rookie for Holt and a low 1st/high 2nd for the R Johnson/Perry tandem. T Bell ought to draw some interest from the K Jones owner, who only has Caddy Williams, Musa Smith, & Sammy Morris as his other RBs. I'd love to see if I could get his 3.03 for T Bell. I'd probably also be able to talk him out of Grossman, who is his 3rd QB behind Brees & Leinart. That would give me a low 1st, a high 2nd, and maybe a high 3rd rounder to go with my 5th,6th, & 7th round picks this year. By dumping R Johnson, Holt, & Bell for younger guys, I'd also probably help myself in getting higher picks next year in the draft. Thoughts? Am I missing something? Am I overvaluing/undervaluing players with this strategy? Edited March 5, 2007 by Bronco Billy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broncosn05 Posted March 5, 2007 Share Posted March 5, 2007 Eh. Not worth it, sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted March 5, 2007 Author Share Posted March 5, 2007 Eh. Not worth it, sorry. That's exactly the way I feel about most of what you post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broncosn05 Posted March 5, 2007 Share Posted March 5, 2007 That's exactly the way I feel about most of what you post. You're just mad I voted you TOY. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted March 5, 2007 Author Share Posted March 5, 2007 You're just mad I voted you TOY. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perchoutofwater Posted March 5, 2007 Share Posted March 5, 2007 I think you have the right idea, but you are looking at a 2 to 3 year turn around at best unless you get increadibley lucky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted March 5, 2007 Author Share Posted March 5, 2007 I think you have the right idea, but you are looking at a 2 to 3 year turn around at best unless you get increadibley lucky. Couldn't agree more - I think I'm looking at a 3 year horizon, best case. Anythying else would be sheer luck in finding some real unexpected gems in the later rounds of the draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted March 22, 2007 Author Share Posted March 22, 2007 Latest update: Two trades so far: 1) Sent RB Tatum Bell to the K Jones owner for WR Bobby Wade and Year 2007 2.11 2) Sent RB Rudi Johnson, RB Chris Perry, WR Torry Holt, LB Gerald Hayes, 2007 5th round pick, 2008 4th round pick for WR Marques Colston, WR Jerry Porter, QB Dan Orlovsky, 2007 2.05, 2008 1st round pick So now the team is decimated completely, but with the 2007 2.05, 2.11, 6.03, and 7.03 picks, and then what ought to be 1.01 and the rest of the 1st picks in every round except round 4 plus another first rounder next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wolf Posted March 22, 2007 Share Posted March 22, 2007 I have NO experience with IDP but completely agree with the approach you are taking. NO doubt that the core of the players you moved (Rudi, Tinker, Torry) will be past their primes by the time this team becomes competitive. Building through the draft id the only way to get it done and getting those picks should help greatly. I'm torn on trading Eli or holding on to him. You should try to move him and maybe you get lucky with someone biting and giving you more than he is worth. Maybe not now, but as you get closer to the playoffs and the better teams are looking for a solid backup/injury replacement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Holy Roller Posted March 23, 2007 Share Posted March 23, 2007 Latest update: Two trades so far: 1) Sent RB Tatum Bell to the K Jones owner for WR Bobby Wade and Year 2007 2.11 2) Sent RB Rudi Johnson, RB Chris Perry, WR Torry Holt, LB Gerald Hayes, 2007 5th round pick, 2008 4th round pick for WR Marques Colston, WR Jerry Porter, QB Dan Orlovsky, 2007 2.05, 2008 1st round pick So now the team is decimated completely, but with the 2007 2.05, 2.11, 6.03, and 7.03 picks, and then what ought to be 1.01 and the rest of the 1st picks in every round except round 4 plus another first rounder next year. That's all I needed to see to know that this team is on the way back, baby! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted March 23, 2007 Author Share Posted March 23, 2007 I'm torn on trading Eli or holding on to him. You should try to move him and maybe you get lucky with someone biting and giving you more than he is worth. Maybe not now, but as you get closer to the playoffs and the better teams are looking for a solid backup/injury replacement. I've had a very good offer for him in exchange for draft picks, but they wouldn't be until 2008. That would leave me completely QB-less with only a hope of a rookie from the 2nd round this year breaking through to be a starter next year. The WW is empty of starters except for Garcia - and obviously he doesn't do me any good. That kind of risk doesn't appeal to me - it's too much and may leave me decimated at QB for years, or overpaying greatly to get even 1 starter. Besides, I still think Eli can be a good QB once Coughlin is finally shown the door in NY. He's only entering his 4th year - which means his prime doesn't begin for another 2-3 years, and then he ought to be very solid for another few years after that, which fits my team's rehab timeline very well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted March 23, 2007 Author Share Posted March 23, 2007 Well, I had an offer I couldn't resist any longer. I gave up E Manning for the other team's 2008 1st round & 2nd round picks. So I've purged myself of E Manning, R Johnson, Perry, Holt, & G Hayes plus my 2007 5th rounder and my 2008 4th rounder and picked up Colston, Porter, Wade, Orlovsky, (2) 2007 2nd rounders, (2) 2008 1st rounders, and (1) 2008 2nd rounder, in addition to my own 2008 1st rounder which is assured to be pick 1.01. Looks like I'll need to spend my 2007 FA $$$ on Garcia to have a starting QB and then try to make the most of my (2) 2007 2nd rounders - because I won't see another pick until the 6th round in 2007. There's not much out there as far as competent WW FAs on O - the league scoring is very O heavy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wolf Posted March 23, 2007 Share Posted March 23, 2007 Well, I had an offer I couldn't resist any longer. I gave up E Manning for the other team's 2008 1st round & 2nd round picks. So I've purged myself of E Manning, R Johnson, Perry, Holt, & G Hayes plus my 2007 5th rounder and my 2008 4th rounder and picked up Colston, Porter, Wade, Orlovsky, (2) 2007 2nd rounders, (2) 2008 1st rounders, and (1) 2008 2nd rounder, in addition to my own 2008 1st rounder which is assured to be pick 1.01. Looks like I'll need to spend my 2007 FA $$$ on Garcia to have a starting QB and then try to make the most of my (2) 2007 2nd rounders - because I won't see another pick until the 6th round in 2007. There's not much out there as far as competent WW FAs on O - the league scoring is very O heavy. Well done! The way to rebuild is to stock up on draft picks...you've written as much yourself in plenty of posts. Keeping Manning would not have changed the results of this season too dramatically, so to pick up what you got, when you got it, is a coup IMHO. Now, if the league scoring is O heavy, and you have some depth on D, why not move a defensive player for a younger offensive player you can use to build around? Maroney or an Addai, perhaps? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted March 23, 2007 Author Share Posted March 23, 2007 Now, if the league scoring is O heavy, and you have some depth on D, why not move a defensive player for a younger offensive player you can use to build around? Maroney or an Addai, perhaps? I'd love to do that, but there isn't a chance in hell anyone is going to trade any O player of any value or strong potential for even the best LB in the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wolf Posted March 23, 2007 Share Posted March 23, 2007 I'd love to do that, but there isn't a chance in hell anyone is going to trade any O player of any value or strong potential for even the best LB in the league. Shows you how little I know about IDP leagues... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted March 23, 2007 Author Share Posted March 23, 2007 Shows you how little I know about IDP leagues... It's just the way the league scores. It starts 6 skill players on O including a mandatory TE, but starts a full blown 11 man D, and the idea of the league scoring was to subtract an opponent's D scoring from a team's O scoring (and vice-versa) to get a result for that game for the week. That means O really dominates, since negative cumulative scoring was considered highly undesireable when the league was started up. Not all IDP leagues are so slanted to the O. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Men In Tights Posted March 23, 2007 Share Posted March 23, 2007 (For those that wonder) I just finished my first year in an IDP league and most are set up where the D is the same as the O. Where your top LB's are scoring like your top RB's and that is the only way you would trade a LB for a top RB. I have no idea how you would do it but I think a QB like Leinart would fit perfectly into your team. Plus the team that has him also has Brees so you know he is their #2, at least I thought I read that. Other than that I like your D but it sounds like your scoring a D isn't going to help you until you get your O together. Would you or the Leinart owner consider one of your draft picks, maybe 2008 for Leinart? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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