Pope Flick Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 Ok. Thats one. One QB doesnt make him a guru at anything. What else did he do? Resurrected Irving Fryar in Philly. Resurrected Joey Galloway in Tampa. He does good things with some players. Guys you think are done, he does something to to demonstrate they're not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peepinmofo Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 How about winning a Super Bowl with an over-the-hill Brad Johnson under center? Gruden isn't a great coach, but it's kind of silly to say that he's not at least a good one. If it weren't for the silly "Tuck Rule," he would've taken two franchises to the Super Bowl. The Raiders went from the cellar to a .500 team to the playoffs during his tenure, and his aging and offensively-deprived Bucs teams still managed to make the playoffs twice after the SB. Brad Johnson wasnt over the hill then. He was what, 32 at the time? He might not have been the greatest QB, but as we all know, you dont ALWAYS need a great QB to win the SB. See Trent Dilfer. Same type of defenses, and thats what won the SB for the Bucs. I never said Gruden was a BAD coach, I said he was over rated, and I stand by that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peepinmofo Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 Resurrected Irving Fryar in Philly. Resurrected Joey Galloway in Tampa. He does good things with some players. Guys you think are done, he does something to to demonstrate they're not. So he might be good with indiviual players every once in a blue moon, but again, how does that prove he isnt overrated? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detlef Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 How about winning a Super Bowl with an over-the-hill Brad Johnson under center? Gruden isn't a great coach, but it's kind of silly to say that he's not at least a good one. If it weren't for the silly "Tuck Rule," he would've taken two franchises to the Super Bowl. The Raiders went from the cellar to a .500 team to the playoffs during his tenure, and his aging and offensively-deprived Bucs teams still managed to make the playoffs twice after the SB. Um, that wasn't the AFC Championship... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 How about winning a Super Bowl with an over-the-hill Brad Johnson under center? Gruden isn't a great coach, but it's kind of silly to say that he's not at least a good one. If it weren't for the silly "Tuck Rule," he would've taken two franchises to the Super Bowl. The Raiders went from the cellar to a .500 team to the playoffs during his tenure, and his aging and offensively-deprived Bucs teams still managed to make the playoffs twice after the SB. The Bucs were close to getting to the Super Bowl and needed an offensive mind to get them over the top. It also helped they played the Raiders in the SB. Gruden is good with some players. His first year in Tampa he challenged the defense to score. He told them if you're so good why aren't you scoring touchdowns? He also got the offense to compete with and not be overshadowed by that defense. He may not be a great coach but was what they needed at that time I think. He could be a good coordinator or maybe college coach. I still hate the tuck rule. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Swerski Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 Um, that wasn't the AFC Championship... My mistake. That said, I think that they could've beaten the Steelers to get to the SB that year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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