Avernus Posted June 4, 2010 Share Posted June 4, 2010 You're right. Hey, me and my buddies are participating in a pogrom tomorrow, you wanna come down and join us? SURE, YOU BET Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rattsass Posted June 4, 2010 Share Posted June 4, 2010 These people have been fighting since the beginning of time. And the argument about who is right and who is wrong is just as old. It sure as hell won't be settled here any more than it will be solved by enslaving people or laubing rockets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted June 4, 2010 Share Posted June 4, 2010 Didn't you just attribute comments by Begin, one's that we're mischarachterized at best, as being applicable to a whole race of people? when did I do that?...I only spoke of the government as I have no problem with the Israeli people.... your reading comprehension needs a fine tuning.. and please put away your "jump to conclusions mat"...such a horrible idea this is... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duchess Jack Posted June 4, 2010 Share Posted June 4, 2010 If that was the case, then we could ahve invaded Saudi Arabia and overthrown them because Osama Bin Laden is a member of their royal family. If the Iraelis wanted to be a little more like us they'd go after Chili or Panama if the Palastinians attacked them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted June 4, 2010 Share Posted June 4, 2010 If the Iraelis wanted to be a little more like us they'd go after Chili or Panama if the Palastinians attacked them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrip Posted June 5, 2010 Share Posted June 5, 2010 It always amazes me how much hate, intolerance, violence and irrational behavior springs from religion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmarc117 Posted June 5, 2010 Share Posted June 5, 2010 i heard this somewhere......... n.korea sinks and kills 40some s.korean saliors, the world dont give a fruck. israel defends itself and its LEGAL blockade, they bad. OK. china kills and tortures millions, but we keep shopping at walmart. arizona decides to start enforcing our immigration laws, lets not go to arizona!! people are so frucked in the head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westvirginia Posted June 6, 2010 Share Posted June 6, 2010 i heard this somewhere......... n.korea sinks and kills 40some s.korean saliors, the world dont give a fruck. israel defends itself and its LEGAL blockade, they bad. OK. china kills and tortures millions, but we keep shopping at walmart. arizona decides to start enforcing our immigration laws, lets not go to arizona!! people are so frucked in the head. They are, aren't they? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted June 6, 2010 Share Posted June 6, 2010 (edited) i heard this somewhere......... n.korea sinks and kills 40some s.korean saliors, the world dont give a fruck. israel defends itself and its LEGAL blockade, they bad. OK. china kills and tortures millions, but we keep shopping at walmart. arizona decides to start enforcing our immigration laws, lets not go to arizona!! people are so frucked in the head. I'm pretty sure it's a lot more than what just happened last Sunday and we have also asked that psycho in N Korea to stop....while we are the only on condoning what happened in Israel... the Flotilla ships were there in response to the treatment of the Palestinians since 1948 - not that what N Korea has done to S Korea is bad.....but there is FAR more history over what has transpired in Israel while most countries are plain scared of that psycho over in N Korea because he'll just start picking locations to nuke at random.... your logic here is skewed, but I've found most republicans in my area defending what Israel has done because "they are our allies, we need to stick by them"........even if what they do is flat out wrong and they almost do what they want because they'll just sic us on whoever has anything to say... Edited June 6, 2010 by Avernus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted June 6, 2010 Share Posted June 6, 2010 WATCH THIS VIDEO and see what people who actually live in Israel have to say http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57vvS3HKbLI...player_embedded Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted June 6, 2010 Share Posted June 6, 2010 The flotilla COULD have agreed to be searched at an Israeli port and the non-military supplies would have been trucked to Gaza as they have been many times before. The fact is that this was a deliberate setup and Israel walked straight into it. The people running this so-called relief armada were only interested in provoking violence from the Israelis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmarc117 Posted June 6, 2010 Share Posted June 6, 2010 I'm pretty sure it's a lot more than what just happened last Sunday and we have also asked that psycho in N Korea to stop....while we are the only on condoning what happened in Israel... the Flotilla ships were there in response to the treatment of the Palestinians since 1948 - not that what N Korea has done to S Korea is bad.....but there is FAR more history over what has transpired in Israel while most countries are plain scared of that psycho over in N Korea because he'll just start picking locations to nuke at random.... your logic here is skewed, but I've found most republicans in my area defending what Israel has done because "they are our allies, we need to stick by them"........even if what they do is flat out wrong and they almost do what they want because they'll just sic us on whoever has anything to say... WATCH THIS VIDEO and see what people who actually live in Israel have to say http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57vvS3HKbLI...player_embedded so hamas is not a terrorist organization? arent they in charge in the gaza strip? i could care less if they are our allies. the blockade is legal. they had every right to board that ship and defend themselves once on the ship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rattsass Posted June 6, 2010 Share Posted June 6, 2010 Yeah, the supplies MIGHT have been delivered, but only if the shipment did not include items the Israelies have decided that the Palestinians don't need. Like chocolate. But I guess some people here believe that one people should decide what another people may or may not eat or drink. And you are all OK with that. Wow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpwallace49 Posted June 6, 2010 Share Posted June 6, 2010 The flotilla COULD have agreed to be searched at an Israeli port and the non-military supplies would have been trucked to Gaza as they have been many times before. The fact is that this was a deliberate setup and Israel walked straight into it. The people running this so-called relief armada were only interested in provoking violence from the Israelis. And "Mission Accomplished" . . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted June 6, 2010 Share Posted June 6, 2010 Yeah, the supplies MIGHT have been delivered, but only if the shipment did not include items the Israelies have decided that the Palestinians don't need. Like chocolate. But I guess some people here believe that one people should decide what another people may or may not eat or drink. And you are all OK with that. Wow. I'm already done because the hypocrisy in this thread has spun out of control....sometimes logic is too much for people when they don't know enough about a situation and want to believe a one sided slant... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEC=UGA Posted June 6, 2010 Author Share Posted June 6, 2010 I'm already done because the hypocrisy in this thread has spun out of control....sometimes logic is too much for people when they don't know enough about a situation and want to believe a one sided slant... What he said, but from the opposite perspective Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azazello1313 Posted June 6, 2010 Share Posted June 6, 2010 The flotilla COULD have agreed to be searched at an Israeli port and the non-military supplies would have been trucked to Gaza as they have been many times before. The fact is that this was a deliberate setup and Israel walked straight into it. The people running this so-called relief armada were only interested in provoking violence from the Israelis. well yeah, but when you say "israel walked right into it", what would you say their other options here were? I mean, it's pretty much either 1) let the boat through,and the blockade is essentially broken, or 2) stop the boat, board it, search it, etc. is there some third option I am missing here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detlef Posted June 6, 2010 Share Posted June 6, 2010 "It all started when he hit me back" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbpfan1231 Posted June 6, 2010 Share Posted June 6, 2010 The only question I have with all of this is this - Who was in the right here and who was in the wrong??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted June 6, 2010 Share Posted June 6, 2010 (edited) well yeah, but when you say "israel walked right into it", what would you say their other options here were? I mean, it's pretty much either 1) let the boat through,and the blockade is essentially broken, or 2) stop the boat, board it, search it, etc. is there some third option I am missing here? Agreed. It was a trap they simply had to spring, nevertheless it was a trap. My guess is that those on board wanted the violence but didn't expect to have nine dead. Sucks for them but they only have themselves to blame. Note: I have never been an Israeli apologist of any kind but the likes of Hamas make it very difficult to offer any sympathy to the other side. Edited June 6, 2010 by Ursa Majoris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted June 6, 2010 Share Posted June 6, 2010 What he said, but from the opposite perspective I know you are, but what am I? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted June 6, 2010 Share Posted June 6, 2010 The only question I have with all of this is this - Who was in the right here and who was in the wrong??? at any point, either side was wrong...but now one side more wrong than the other... and this has nothing to do with what happened last Sunday....what they are doing on the Gaza strip is inhumane...period Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rattsass Posted June 6, 2010 Share Posted June 6, 2010 There was a highly political (therefore largely ignored) album from Jefferson Starship in 1984 at an apex of the cold war called Nuclear Furniture. It was a concept album that is still one of my favorites today. There is a song on the album with the lyrics, I'd like to see Jesus and Mohammed on the road to Demascus, What do you think they would say? Would they fight with knives clenched in their teeth like Jews and Arabs today? Or would they walk and speak like philosophers and thinkers? But probably me favorite song on the album is called Showdown: They walk with their arms away from their sides Cause it's all in the timing Who wins the fight All around them the signs are clear It's gone too far Now the showdown is here Showdown is here Hungry dogs follow And the vultures lead Self-preservation The original greed But there's too much fire For the perfect match Now it's just a matter of the first attack Which one is right That's no longer clear Anger has no light When it's covered with fear Never turn your back That's always when you're caught You're a dead man on the rack 'Cause you're just too proud to stop Absolute quiet is the final warning - showdown Six minutes and the war is roaring -showdown The voice of reason was buried this morning -showdown Decision for death is the final story -showdown We used to love it when they came on the scream The good guys strong And the bad guys mean But the story has changed Now the ending's insane The audience dies In the final frame It's the final game Now both sides are gone No funerals No priests No crowds singing songs No heroes in the streets Both sides were wrong Just too stubborn to teach And it was just too long Before enough people had the courage to speak And say No showdown No showdown No showdown They walk with their arms away from their sides Will the ones who are left Still say they are right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiegie Posted June 7, 2010 Share Posted June 7, 2010 There was a highly political (therefore largely ignored) album from Jefferson Starship in 1984 Was that the same album that had "We Built This City (on Rock and Roll)" on it? If so, I would strongly suggest that politics were NOT the reason it was ignored. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detlef Posted June 7, 2010 Share Posted June 7, 2010 Was that the same album that had "We Built This City (on Rock and Roll)" on it? If so, I would strongly suggest that politics were NOT the reason it was ignored. truth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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