Dynasty, what to do

[Big Country]

Why not try trade for both?

[FastSteve]

21 hours ago, Big Country said:

Why not try trade for both?

That's an interesting thought. I have doubts he goes for that. While he does like to trade you will often have to go back & forth with him a dozen times to get a deal done. If he does go for it, no way I'm getting both of those R1 picks out of him. Which I absolutely understand. Don't get way greedy & get no deal at all. But for both those players I can see him not wanting to also throw in either R1 pick. At least probably without me throwing in next year's R1 or at least R2. I try to stay in those first 2 rounds. Then of course there is the other issue that I just cant stand & feel it is poor sportsmanship. People use the veto vote as a strategic tool to block others from getting what they think might be too strong of a team for them to beat.  

 

What do you think I float him 

He sends

R10/11, QB Goff, WR AJB

I send 

R1-3, R5-3, NYG Jones, DEN WR Sutton, 

If he bits awesome. Then I worry about the rest of the league being little you know what's. If he doesn't I can jump the R5-3 up to R3-3 or swap in Pickens over Sutton. For that deal where I get both of those R1 picks I would go as far as with Jones, giving both Sutton & Pickens with the R5-3 pick & even move that up to the R3-3 pick. Only thing is going this route will require reworking the deal to move up to #5 as I would have been sending him the R4-5 pick which would have been coming to me for trading Hooker.

 

What do you think? If I can get both guys & both those R1 picks is it worth going as much as the R1-3, Jones, Sutton, Pickens & the R3-3 pick if that's what it takes? What if he wants next years R2 for say his R3 or R4? If he doesn't ask for R2 or 3 next year I may end up having to throw one in just to satisfy the rest of the league that I'm not getting to much of a payoff on my end. I have had to do that type of thing in the past. Got  a deal agreed to that I felt good about only to have to throw in more than what my trade partner settled for. If I can only wrestle one player from him which one do I go for? Goff or AJB?

Edited March 20 by FastSteve

[Big Country]

14 hours ago, FastSteve said:

Then of course there is the other issue that I just cant stand & feel it is poor sportsmanship. People use the veto vote as a strategic tool to block others from getting what they think might be too strong of a team for them to beat.  

 

What do you think I float him 

He sends

R10/11, QB Goff, WR AJB

I send 

R1-3, R5-3, NYG Jones, DEN WR Sutton, 

If he bits awesome. Then I worry about the rest of the league being little you know what's. If he doesn't I can jump the R5-3 up to R3-3 or swap in Pickens over Sutton. For that deal where I get both of those R1 picks I would go as along with Jones, giving both Sutton & Pickens with the R5-3 pick & even move that up to the R3-3 pick. Only thing is going this route will require reworking the deal to move up to #5 as I would have been sending him the R4-5 pick which would have been coming to me for trading Hooker.

 

What do you think? If I can get both guys & both those R1 picks is it worth going as much as the R1-3, Jones, Sutton, Pickens & the R3-3 pick if that's what it takes? What if he wants next years R2 for say his R3 or R4? If he doesn't ask for R2 or 3 next year I may end up having to throw one in just to satisfy the rest of the league that I'm not getting to much of a payoff on my end. I have had to do that type of thing in the past. Got  a deal agreed to that I felt good about only to have to throw in more than what my trade partner settled for. If I can only wrestle one player from him which one do I go for? Goff or AJB?

Regarding the veto - get it out of the league - let owner's manage their teams as they see fit. When it can be weaponized on perfectly fine trades it just ruins leagues. The fact that this has happened multiple times in the past tells me that this is definitely not a league I would want to play in.

Regarding the offer, send it over. I think it's a bit light without Pickens in there and would maybe open with Pickens instead of Sutton or give him the choice of either one, but that's what negotiation is for. Everyone has different valuations on players and picks, it's how both parties can come out of a trade feeling happy and like they improved.

[FastSteve]

On 3/20/2024 at 10:19 AM, Big Country said:

Regarding the veto - get it out of the league - let owner's manage their teams as they see fit. When it can be weaponized on perfectly fine trades it just ruins leagues. The fact that this has happened multiple times in the past tells me that this is definitely not a league I would want to play in.

Regarding the offer, send it over. I think it's a bit light without Pickens in there and would maybe open with Pickens instead of Sutton or give him the choice of either one, but that's what negotiation is for. Everyone has different valuations on players and picks, it's how both parties can come out of a trade feeling happy and like they improved.

Let me clarify because I think I probably have you thinking different than what I was trying to say. I left out the dash -. We don't have 11 rounds. We only draft 5 rounds. What I was trying to say is 

 

He sends me the R1-10 & 11 picks (not a round 10 & 11 - not sure you were clear on that the way I realized I typed that), DET Goff, PHI AJB 

For

R1-3, R5-3, NYG QB Jones, DEN Sutton - move up to Pickens if necessary, possibly move the R5-3 pick up to R3-3 (I have no R4 this year)

[Big Country]

I was clear on what you were saying. Your offer is pretty light for what you are asking to get, even with Pickens added to it.

But everyone values players differently, so maybe he’d go for it.

[FastSteve]

52 minutes ago, Big Country said:

I was clear on what you were saying. Your offer is pretty light for what you are asking to get, even with Pickens added to it.

But everyone values players differently, so maybe he’d go for it.

If he will only go for one of those players I'm going for AJB. Because it gives me a few options after dealing #11 to move up to #5. It is going to take a bit more to get that #1 with #5. I can package DJ Moore & If he takes it I can then draft MHJ & grab a QB with #10. If I can't get #1 I can either load up on WR if one of the 3 are there at 5 & get a QB at 10. Or go QB at 5 & either go RB at 10 or if Bowers is there take him. There also is the possibility get one of the 3 WR at 5, if QB go light by 10 I could go either Bowers if still there or RB & then QB with R2-3. 

 

I think going AJB if I can only get one player out of him gives me more options over Goff. Also given the value on QB in this league & his lack of depth at the position my gut say he goes for AJB before Goff. In which case I can pivot back to Hooker to him to bulk up my end. I appreciate you taking the time to talk this out with me. Thanks

[FastSteve]

 

On 3/22/2024 at 11:00 PM, Big Country said:

I was clear on what you were saying. Your offer is pretty light for what you are asking to get, even with Pickens added to it.

But everyone values players differently, so maybe he’d go for it.

As I suspected he wasn't going for both Goff & AJB. So moved to just AJB but after several back & forths we are stalled at the moment. In the meantime I made a smaller deal that just has to get through the veto period of 24 hours. The guy didn't do great at DB. So I offered 

He sends 1-7 & 5-7    I send 2-10, 5-3 & DB ATL Jessie Bates III

 

Remember we only do 5 rounds. I looked up Bates. While he did finish 3rd this past season the previous 2 seasons were weak. So actually probably no big loss for me. As long as this trade processes I can then "small ball" it with a small deal with buddy & swap that 7 for #5. If I'm going QB with my second R1 pick I need to get ahead of the guy at 6 as there a strong chance he goes QB. Also I have a strong suspicion that the kid I'm stalled with is also talking with the guy at #2 & my suspicion is he trying to move up to get Kaleb Williams. So if he does that I want to try to make sure only one QB at most is off the board by my second pick. I will still have my R2-3 pick & I figure that will be good for an RB & then my R3-3 go for an LB. 

 

So Big Country what do you think of the trade I did get? With the plan of converting the 7th into #5 what do think about still going after the #1? Two ways I can try. I could offer either Sutton or Pickens & #3 or DJ Moore & #5. I KNOW he wants/needs a WR. Or should I just stay put at #3 & presumably take Nabers & then hopefully get KW at #5 or maybe JJ McCarthy. 

Edited March 31 by FastSteve

[FastSteve]

On 3/19/2024 at 6:52 PM, Big Country said:

Why not try trade for both?

The trade of me sending 2-10, 5-3 & ATL DB Bates III for 1-7 & 5-7 went through. To keep the veto gang from losing their you know what my buddy & I are waiting a few days before he swaps the 1-5 with me for the 1-7. I may offer him next year's R3 for his R4 for the deal. With wanting to hold onto that R2-3 pick & dealing the 2-10 pick to get the #7 it kind of limits what I can do with this draft. Plus I'm sure me swapping my R3-3 for his R3-5 pick as compensation for swapping two picks up in R1 will not get past the veto gang. My buddy also doesn't have a R2 pick to swap out with me if I wanted to do that. They will lose it over that even though I will only be moving up two spots in the middle rounds. With what I have in R5 now I can only move him 1 spot there. 

 

I'm really wondering at this point if I should even try to move up to the #1 or #2. Another buddy has #2 & I told him I might have a trade offer for him. As I said I have a suspicion the kid is trying to get the #2 from him. Which I suspect is to nab a QB - probably Williams. I don't think either of the guys ahead of me are as savy as what you are seeing out there for #1. I think I might be able to get #1 for #3 & either Sutton or Pickens with maybe a pick swap next year or get the 1 for 5 with DJ Moore. Or get the #2 for 5 with maybe Sutton or Pickens. I go for #2 I most likely miss out on MHJ. Of course any such trade has to survive the veto period. And if I trade for #1 that is leaving 2 out there for the kid to nab & jump me on QB. 

 

I'm thinking maybe I deal #5 for #2, block the kid, take Nabers & grab Williams with #3. Though the kid could potentially deal AJB then to get #1. Of course if he deals AJB & gets the #1 he may pivot from KW to MHJ thus leaving me KW. Thoughts with the idea I will convert the #7 into the #5 giving the #3 & #5 picks & having the early R2 pick at 2-3 in 12 team league.

[Big Country]

Big time score to get the 1.7 for that.

I know you have your heart set on Williams but this appears to be a very strong QB class, so even if you don't move up to get Williams and if he doesn't fall to you, you can still get a Daniels/May/McCarthy type who may go on to have similar fantasy value as Williams.

[FastSteve]

1 hour ago, Big Country said:

Big time score to get the 1.7 for that.

I know you have your heart set on Williams but this appears to be a very strong QB class, so even if you don't move up to get Williams and if he doesn't fall to you, you can still get a Daniels/May/McCarthy type who may go on to have similar fantasy value as Williams.

Yes I would like Williams & I may get him if the kid doesn't trade up. However I don't think I will feel bad about one of those other QB's. 

 

My question is should I trade up to get the #1 to get MHJ? Or just grab Nabers at 3 Who should be? Because of position limits if I take a WR without trading one before the draft I will either have to cut or try to trade off a WR before the start of the season. 

 

As I said I don't think the guy with #1 is as a savvy drafted & I believe I might be able to get it without a kings ransom. I'm thinking there are couple of offers that he might take one. I think I can maybe get him to go for either Sutton or maybe Pickens & #3 or maybe DJ Moore & the #5 which I will have once I complete the 7/5 swap with my buddy - he has said he will trade with me, just giving a few days so the veto crew doesn't get their panties in a bunch. I can try to be proactive & also throw in next R3 for his R4 with either of those deals just to try to keep the veto gang at bay. Or I could just make the WR & this year's pick offer & if he takes  see if it can through. Stepping up to adding next year's pick if it gets shot down. What do you think, with consideration I would have to drop a WR if I don't trade one? The only early R2 I might be to get for Sutton or Pickens would maybe be the R2-1. Otherwise it will probably be a late R2. Otherwise it might have to an unknown position R2 next year. 

 

I trade Sutton or Pickens, I think still have Moore & Waddle along with MHJ. I trade Moore I could have the #1 & 3 picks & likely end up with Williams along with MHJ. What's your take on this?

[Big Country]

1 minute ago, FastSteve said:

I trade Sutton or Pickens, I think still have Moore & Waddle along with MHJ. I trade Moore I could have the #1 & 3 picks & likely end up with Williams along with MHJ. What's your take on this?

Either approach would be fine. 

Man, first you describe the league as veto happy, and now you say you have position limits - I know these are your buddies, but man it's a lot of red flags for a league.

[FastSteve]

5 minutes ago, Big Country said:

Either approach would be fine. 

Man, first you describe the league as veto happy, and now you say you have position limits - I know these are your buddies, but man it's a lot of red flags for a league.

We didn't have position limits to begin with but one or two guys were completely ignoring the IDP stock piling nothing but RB & WR. Not carrying a single defensive backup. Leaving waivers useless for RB & WR. Total roster is 32 with 17 starters & 12 teams. I see plenty of leagues with position limits. Heck I play in 3 leagues & every one of them has position limits. 

 

Thanks for the advice. I'll think about which deal I want to make. It would be nice to be able to get MHJ & then getting CW would just be icing on the cake. My priority will be MHJ with CW a bonus if I can pull it off.

[FastSteve]

On 4/2/2024 at 4:42 PM, Big Country said:

Either approach would be fine. 

Man, first you describe the league as veto happy, and now you say you have position limits - I know these are your buddies, but man it's a lot of red flags for a league.

I got a trade on the timer right now with my buddy. He had both Aaron Donald & Fletcher Cox who both retired. So we went with him sending me R1-5 & R3-5 &I sent him R1-7, R3-3 & MIN DL Harrison Phillips. Just over 5 hours to go & the only veto (so far) is the guy I call Auto Veto. He was on it literally in about one minute - obviously has notifications on. I did my due diligence & my buddy if he would just swap out of the first round if I sent him my R2-3 pick & some draft capital next season but he said he wanted to stay in R1 because of how bad he needs an RB. 

 

I'm seeing experts mock drafts showing MHJ going to the Chargers. If that is the case I definitely am going to have to make a deal happen for that #1 pick. I have Justin Herbert & I personally like what I call the "Double Dip" with a good QB & one of his top targets. I will likely have to give up plenty to get past the veto gang on that one. I've traded in the past a few times to get the #1 & I think their undies get in a bunch over that I have been able to do that a few times. If this current deal goes through I'm sure there is going to be some annoyance that I've managed to gain an extra R1 pick & I'm managing to "small ball" my way up R1 also.

 

While I would love to swap him the #5 for the #1 I believe that will take DJ Moore to make that happen. I would like to keep Moore. I will give it a shot with Sutton first with next year R2 pick & if he doesn't go for Sutton I will try swapping in Pickens to see if I can get him to bit on moving to #5 W/O me giving up Moore. I'm just going to have to ultimately see where he is at & also will of course be competing ag against other offers for that #1. I will give up Moore if I have to if MHJ ends up on LAC. If he doesn't & it becomes a mountain to get that #1 I think will just stay at #3, holding onto Moore & take either Nabers or Odunze. I can then try to deal Sutton for a bit of a bump in R2  or maybe gain a R3 pick. The guy with #1 needs plenty of help at WR. In a small deal on Sutton I might get the R2-12 or R3-1 out of him for Sutton. My buddy with the #2 pick also has R2-1, R2-11 & R3-2 pick. He could also possible bite on Sutton for one of those picks. Also a possibility I might get the guy with R2-7 & R3-6 picks to bite on him for one of those. I think I have some possibilities on a smaller deal if I don't move on the #1 pick. 

 

If I can get MHJ I will just have to figure out which othe LAC WR I'm shipping off already having Palmer & Johnston. Thing is both on young guys who could end up having that year 2 or 3 breakout. Especially with both Allen & Williams gone now.  If MHJ ends up on the team & I draft him half my allotment at WR will be LAC. On top of also having Herbert & RB Gus Edwards who now is on the team. I will be heavy on LAC players. 

[FastSteve]

Well I'm beginning to think I gave too much in the deal, LOL. Deal went through with only Auto Veto jumping on it. So now I have the R1-3, R1-5, R2-3, R3-5, R5-7 picks in a 12 team Dynasty league with 5 round mini draft.

[FastSteve]

I'm making my moves a bit at a time. I offered up Hassan Haskins to the guy with Pollard as an insurance policy. Same guy I made the deal with that got R1-7 pick from that I moved it up to the #5 pick. I didn't realize the Pollard situation otherwise I would have worked him in that first deal. Anyway I offered up Haskins & my R3-5 for his R2-10 figuring he wouldn't go for it. He said no thanks. I changed the picks to his R3-7 for my R5-7 & he said send it & it got through the veto period.

 

So now in a 5 round mini draft I have R1-3  R1-5  R2-3  R3-5  R3-7

 

Now I need to see how the NFL draft plays out to figure out my final plan for our draft & if I really want or need to make a play for the #1 pick & MHJ. I'm seeing talk of the possibility LAC draft him & if that is the case I will want him having Justin Herbert as I really like the double dip as I call it. But I will then to figure out which of LAC WR Palmer or Johnston I'm moving as I will have 3 LAC WR at that point. With 6 player limit at the position. Plus the comparison to Larry Fitzgerald make my desire to draft him stronger as Fitz was my guy & one my all time favorite players. Or do I not give up whatever it may have to be to get #1 & take either Nabers or Odunze or maybe even Bowers. We can flex a TE but I already have BAL Andrews & GB Musgrave. If I did go Bowers & he & Musgrave pan out Andrews would be some high end trade capital. 

Edited Sunday at 05:51 PM by FastSteve