bushwacked Posted August 9, 2006 Share Posted August 9, 2006 so you would draft him in the 1st or 2nd round ??? He's been going early 3rd in most Mocks I've seen, and that seems just about right. I probably wouldn't consider taking Gates in the 2nd unless it was late 2nd. I sure as hell take him in the 4th, 5th, or 6th. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted August 9, 2006 Share Posted August 9, 2006 He's been going early 3rd in most Mocks I've seen, and that seems just about right. I probably wouldn't consider taking Gates in the 2nd unless it was late 2nd. I sure as hell take him in the 4th, 5th, or 6th. I am not willing to find out if he'll last to the 4th... last year the 2004 Gates owner drafted him early in the 4th.... this year I expect the 3rd.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smrt Posted August 9, 2006 Share Posted August 9, 2006 IMO...non-PPR leagues are a dying breed... I've been noticing that myself. Not to get off topic, but do you think PPR leagues make scoring more balanced? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted August 9, 2006 Share Posted August 9, 2006 I've been noticing that myself. Not to get off topic, but do you think PPR leagues make scoring more balanced? I believe so...and not just that....it allows you to look at players from a different perspective... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBoog Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 How often do you get top 10 WR production at the TE position. PEOPLE, you only start one of these guys every week. The point differential alone at this position is worth an enormous advantage. When you braek FF down to position by position match-ups, I think you could argue mid to low round two in bigger leagues. No matter the format, he is clear round three talent! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joethin Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 I would take him in the 3rd if I had 2 RB's already and all of my favored WR's were gone... if RMoss, Driver, Wayne and Chambers were the best available...I'd go Gates... For real? Not trying to be a smart @$$, I just respect your opinions a lot! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Holliday Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 IMO Gates is more valuable in TE mandatory leagues than any WR . the difference between him and the next best TE is major. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushwacked Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 For real? Not trying to be a smart @$$, I just respect your opinions a lot! What is so difficult to comprehend? Gates may likely outscore Wayne, Driver, and Chambers (R. Moss; maybe not so much) again this year. The fact he is in a position you must start and the expected statistical performance drops tremendously to the next highest scoring TE increases his value even more despite his impressive FF point output relative to Tier 1 and 2 WR's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joethin Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 I just looked over my League's stats last year... Smith - 418 Fitzgerald - 353 Boldin - 350 C. Johnson - 344 S. Moss - 341 Holt – 334 Gates - 329 Harrison - 326 Galloway - 306 Chambers - 296 Driver - 282 Burress – 276 Glenn - 264 Shockey – 262 Kennison – 246 Housh – 244 Rod Smith – 243 R. Moss - 242 Heap – 241 Wayne – 238 J. Smith - 236 McCardell - 229 Stallworth - 228 Crumpler - 224 I totally missed this However, Say you have 3.02 - Gates, while you wait for 4.11 (assuming 12 teams) most WR will be gone (worst case scenario - 21 of them) It goes downhill fast, more if you have to start 3 WR. While Heap (should do better with McNair onboard) didn't have as good a last year, he's probably going to be there at 4.11 and you have a top 15 WR in your roster. You are still in the top 3 at TE and did not fall behind at WR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushwacked Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 However, Say you have 3.02 - Gates, while you wait for 4.11 (assuming 12 teams) most WR will be gone (worst case scenario - 21 of them) It goes downhill fast, more if you have to start 3 WR. While Heap (should do better with McNair onboard) didn't have as good a last year, he's probably going to be there at 4.11 and you have a top 15 WR in your roster. You are still in the top 3 at TE and did not fall behind at WR. That's when you have to some 'strategery.' I will say that having a top 3 TE is important, but according to your list, the point differential between the #1 TE to the #3 TE is greater than the gap from the #8 to # 20 WR. I'd be willing to bet there is a pretty tight scoring clump between the #20 and #30 WR along with the #3 TE to the #whatever TE. You have to decide what the best choice during your draft depending on who is picked before you. Personally, I'm not a big fan of taking a QB or TE high, once P. Manning or Gates are taken. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joethin Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 researching Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joethin Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 You know... I believe you are right 3.02.Gates, Antonio SDC TE 329.8 4.11 Houshmandzadeh, T.J. CIN WR 244.8 5.02.Smith, Rod DEN WR 243.7 3.02 Driver, Donald GBP WR 282.4 4.11 Heap, Todd BAL TE 241.7 5.02.Smith, Rod DEN WR 243.7 Clearly I'm ahead by over 40 pts... I have some QB crazy fellas in the League, I'd probably do better at 4.11 WR... Of course assuming things stay more or less the same way... But I see clearly now Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 For real? Not trying to be a smart @$$, I just respect your opinions a lot! yeah....RMoss has bothered me since the 1st time I drafted him 2 years ago he flops and then last year he flopped again... the QB situation and OL is in shambles.... I don't like it...plus the other wideouts should probably put up around the same numbers as gates....but he's a TE....it's worth more there as I would get more value out of my overall lineup if I wait to draft someone like Mason, AJ or Horn....even Walker maybe... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turf Smurf Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 I personally don't think I would take Gates even if he was there late third round (which he probably won't). In my leagues you start three WR's and only one TE. I'd much rather grab a second tier WR if I went RB, RB with my first two picks and grab a guy like Heap, Witten or Miller with a fifth or sixth round pick. The difference between Gates and the second tier of TE's is only 2-3pts per week in non PPR leagues not worth a third round pick in my opinion. What my man is trying to say is....it depends on the scoring system Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turf Smurf Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 How often do you get top 10 WR production at the TE position. PEOPLE, you only start one of these guys every week. The point differential alone at this position is worth an enormous advantage. When you braek FF down to position by position match-ups, I think you could argue mid to low round two in bigger leagues. No matter the format, he is clear round three talent! "PEOPLE, you only start one of these guys every week. " 2...with a floater also...no problem, just don't be so quick to advise the folks 10 stories above you... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DexterDew Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 How often do you get top 10 WR production at the TE position. PEOPLE, you only start one of these guys every week. The point differential alone at this position is worth an enormous advantage. When you braek FF down to position by position match-ups, I think you could argue mid to low round two in bigger leagues. No matter the format, he is clear round three talent! McBoog- I just did the Baseline part of my spreadsheet, and you are absolutely correct! What Gates brings in a TE mandatory league puts him in the begining of the 2nd round.... Since I don't know my draft position until five minutes before the draft, I will take Gates no matter where I am in Round 3 (i will start RB/RB, but that is because the drop off is so great so fast). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PantherDave Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 Gates is the onlt TE I'd consider, or have ever considerd for that matter as a third round pick. The thing I've noticed my 17 years playing FF is that WR's are just so fuggin inconsistent-drives me nut's. Gates so far is very consistent, but the major downfall of a third round pick for a TE is your going to be left with high teir 2 and bushels of teir 3 WR, so it's a calculated decision, for if you go stud WR in the 3 Rd, you most likely will miss Gates-Good discussion guys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolv Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 If he falls to the 4th I'll take him. 3rd is a bit steep for me with the new QB situation. There's also a few good TEs available in rds 8 or after (LJ Smith, Heath Miller) that I have no problem waiting on as my starting TE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joethin Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 Gates is the onlt TE I'd consider, or have ever considerd for that matter as a third round pick. The thing I've noticed my 17 years playing FF is that WR's are just so fuggin inconsistent-drives me nut's. Gates so far is very consistent, but the major downfall of a third round pick for a TE is your going to be left with high teir 2 and bushels of teir 3 WR, so it's a calculated decision, for if you go stud WR in the 3 Rd, you most likely will miss Gates-Good discussion guys That's the situation that has me going back and forth. In one of my specific leagues a TE gets 0.12 per yards and 1.2 per reception... clearly I have to go Gates there. After Holt, Smith, Johnson, TO, Fitz, Boldin, maybe R Moss are gone. Everybody else is more/less with the same upside in tier 2. IMHO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MustOfBeenDrunk Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 (edited) the point is guys ,,, that Gates will never ever ever never ever make it to the 3rd. round ! So if you are a Gates Owner in a new league you have Gates & RB1 & (RB3 or WR2) going into the 4th round assuming 14 teams Edited August 10, 2006 by MustOfBeenDrunk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushwacked Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 (edited) the point is guys ,,, that Gates will never ever ever never ever make it to the 3rd. round ! In 2 out of the 3 Huddle Mock drafts he made it to the 3rd round. In a first year dynasty BOTH league last year, I got him at 3.5. In a first year BOTH dynasty league that I drafted in this year, he was taken at 3.3 Edited August 10, 2006 by bushwacked Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
49erAddict-08 Posted August 10, 2006 Author Share Posted August 10, 2006 I just tested picking Gates in the 3rd round in an Antsports 10-team mock. So far my team looks like this: 1.02 - Tomlinson 2.09 - Chad Johnson 3.02 - Gates 4.09 - Tom Brady 5.02 - D. Driver 6.09 - T. Bell Right now my #2 RB situation is a little scary, but that isn't necessarily because I picked Gates in Rd 3. I could have chosen a RB instead of Johnson, Brady, or Driver. However, out of all the mocks I have done so far, this might be the team I like best. Facing LT, Johnson, Gates, and Brady every week wouldn't be very fun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MustOfBeenDrunk Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 In 2 out of the 3 Huddle Mock drafts he made it to the 3rd round. In a first year dynasty BOTH league last year, I got him at 3.5. In a first year BOTH dynasty league that I drafted in this year, he was taken at 3.3 i have not seen him last that long in any of the draft this year. early 2 nd every time http://football36.myfantasyleague.com/2006...ns?L=84964&O=07 went 2.01 http://football32.myfantasyleague.com/2006...ns?L=66099&O=07 went 2.07 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeeR Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 If you don't get him go for the latest of Heap/Shockey/Crumpler. Whoever is drafted last would be a bargain. Those 3 are pretty much inter-changable. Agree. I wouldn't draft Gates until early 3I wouldn't touch him till the 4th ie I won't own him. There is way too much 2d/3d tier quality avail this year to take Gates and "cheat" yourself of a high-quality WR or RB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
49erAddict-08 Posted August 10, 2006 Author Share Posted August 10, 2006 (edited) i have not seen him last that long in any of the draft this year. early 2 nd every time You're right. In a 14-team league I wouldn't expect Gates to be available in the 3rd round. However, MFL's ADP tool has him going at 24 right now, meaning he will (on average) be available late 2nd to early 3rd in 12-team leagues and early to mid 3rd in 10-team leagues. Edited August 10, 2006 by 49erAddict-08 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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