Rileyrott Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 That rule needs changing next year. A bid is a bid whether it's the only one or not. Totally agree with this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrTed46 Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 lamezilla Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nelsosi Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 I was mad at myself in my league. We have a rule that if nobody bids against you, you made the only claim on said player, that it costs nothing regardless of your bid. I didn't really have much interest in Morris, especially for the 20-30/100 I expected him to go for. Well the guy that got him bid $33/100 BUT NOBODY ELSE MADE A CLAIM so he got him FREE. Pissed me off because it crossed my mind to put $1 on him just to make sure, but I assumed there would be plenty of claims so I didn't bother. Won't let that happen again. If was in that league, I'd be throwing $1 werkly bids at just about anyone of note just to ensure nobody gets a freebie. Silly rule if u ask me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slinger Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 He went for $81 out of $100 in one and $25 of $100 in my other. In both leagues, he will be a backup player as their two starters are decent enough already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deathtoll Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 He was my first waiver wire pickup! If you remember last year though, with Helu, he became quite the fantasy stud under Shanahan. But Helu is also on that roster still, so who knows what will happen 4 weeks from now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delusions of grandeur Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 That rule needs changing next year. A bid is a bid whether it's the only one or not. I suppose, but that's actually the thing that I don't like about blind bidding.... Yes it does add an element of strategy, but I don't really care to guess what my leaguemates might be thinking. I'd rather strategize what I'm willing to spend, but not be bound to my maximum bid unless it's necessary. Ebay doesn't stick you with your max bid, so I think a good method would be for the high bidder to get him $1 more than the next bidder. If you don't like that, then bid more and bid him up, but risk having to be the one stuck paying more than you want to. Not to say that there's anything wrong with the normal way you do blind bidding, but I don't see how this is that problematic, when it's entirely up to your leaguemates whether you have to pay a lot or get off cheap, rather than you being the one who has to be bound to a wild guess on interest and apathy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChampSampson Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 I suppose, but that's actually the thing that I don't like about blind bidding.... Yes it does add an element of strategy, but I don't really care to guess what my leaguemates might be thinking. I'd rather strategize what I'm willing to spend, but not be bound to my maximum bid unless it's necessary. Ebay doesn't stick you with your max bid, so I think a good method would be for the high bidder to get him $1 more than the next bidder. If you don't like that, then bid more and bid him up, but risk having to be the one stuck paying more than you want to. Not to say that there's anything wrong with the normal way you do blind bidding, but I don't see how this is that problematic, when it's entirely up to your leaguemates whether you have to pay a lot or get off cheap, rather than you being the one who has to be bound to a wild guess on interest and apathy. I suppose, but that's actually the thing that I don't like about blind bidding.... Yes it does add an element of strategy, but I don't really care to guess what my leaguemates might be thinking. I'd rather strategize what I'm willing to spend, but not be bound to my maximum bid unless it's necessary. Ebay doesn't stick you with your max bid, so I think a good method would be for the high bidder to get him $1 more than the next bidder. If you don't like that, then bid more and bid him up, but risk having to be the one stuck paying more than you want to. Not to say that there's anything wrong with the normal way you do blind bidding, but I don't see how this is that problematic, when it's entirely up to your leaguemates whether you have to pay a lot or get off cheap, rather than you being the one who has to be bound to a wild guess on interest and apathy. E-bay is not blind bid, and uncontested bids usually go cheap, the advantage comes from those who can't figure out basic laws of demand. I love the guy that blows a wad on a kicker for instance. I like edges, they equal profit in a zero-sum game. But regardless, you now have to enter $1 bids EVERY time to counter the freebie play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delusions of grandeur Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 (edited) E-bay is not blind bid, and uncontested bids usually go cheap, the advantage comes from those who can't figure out basic laws of demand. I love the guy that blows a wad on a kicker for instance. I like edges, they equal profit in a zero-sum game. But regardless, you now have to enter $1 bids EVERY time to counter the freebie play. Ebay is somewhat a blind-bid, since you cannot know how high the other bidders are willing to go, but that's jsut a loose analogy, and has nothing to do with whether that form of bidding would be problematic or not. (ETA: nevermind, it is actually more like open-bidding, so forget this point, other than it not being problematic) What's the problem with having to place a bid to ensure that someone else doesn't get him for $1? If no one else is demanding the player except you, then they clearly don't value the player and shouldn't care what you get him for. However, if you want to stick it to other owners, you could certainly do that under this format, but you'd have to risk being the team who overpays. We do open-bidding in several of my BoTH leagues, which works without issue. This would simply be a hybrid betwen open and blind bidding, and would reflect the demand of the player, not jsut what one team is willing to pay at maximum, that might be completely unnecessary to pay if your guess about league demand is wrong. It's bringing it back to being based purely on demand, and not just a guessing game of how much someone else might or might not want him. (ETA: to clarify I'm not arguing doing it how that league in question does it. I'm talking about a similar solution, where the high bidder pays $1 more than the next) Edited September 15, 2012 by delusions of grandeur Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpwallace49 Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 Oopoo! Playing by eBay bidding rules! I bid 70% of my cap. I already had helu, and this league drafted immediately after the super bowl with 22 man rosters so there is almost zero high ceiling players available. I put bid 3 other owners by 5% or less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delusions of grandeur Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 (edited) Oopoo! Playing by eBay bidding rules! Is that not essentially what we do with open-bidding in LLD and YODT? This would be the same idea, but without taking potentially weeks for an auction to end, and instantaneously instead. Edited September 15, 2012 by delusions of grandeur Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpwallace49 Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 Is that not essentially what we do with open-bidding in LLD and YODT? No, because we have set limits that everyone is aware of Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delusions of grandeur Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 No, because we have set limits that everyone is aware of I don't follow what you mean by limits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonsoxandy Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 34% in my league for Morris, Ogletree went for 40% as well. Crazeee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpwallace49 Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 I don't follow what you mean by limits. Sigh On ebay the guy could have a limit of a million bucks. In our leagues we have FA pounds, and it is publically listed exactly how much we all have to bid with Savvy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delusions of grandeur Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 Sigh On ebay the guy could have a limit of a million bucks. In our leagues we have FA pounds, and it is publically listed exactly how much we all have to bid with Savvy? Sigh? I figured by the that you were just giving me a hard time, because that's reading way too much into the analogy. Unless of course you think I'm advocating actually selling free agents on ebay to the highest bidder in real cash How is it at all problematic to this idea that we know how much each owner has to work with? That only adds to the strategy, regarldess of whether you're talking blind-bidding, open-bidding or this hybrid. It seems that everyone arguing against it is looking too much at how it's not like ebay, rather than if it's a sound alternative. It is only like ebay in that it would end at a certain time (like blind bidding), but the winning bid is the highest bid, not the maximum that owner is willing to spend (like open-bidding). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irish Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 I drafted him in every league I'm in if he wasn't taken before I could get him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nelsosi Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 Any indication who is the starter this week? Its been silence on this topic since Shanahan's comments on Monday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delusions of grandeur Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 Any indication who is the starter this week? Its been silence on this topic since Shanahan's comments on Monday New to FF? Morris might be a stud all year or be benched this week, but Shanny will never even hint at which it is... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nelsosi Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 (edited) Dude I know all about Shanahingans. Just wondering if anyone has heard anything new now that we're 3 hours to game time. Who's getting 1st team reps at practice? Any more sound bites from coaches? Etc Edited September 16, 2012 by nelsosi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonsoxandy Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 Dude I know all about Shanahingans. Just wondering if anyone has heard anything new now that we're 3 hours to game time. Who's getting 1st team reps at practice? Any more sound bites from coaches? Etc Morris should be starting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grits and Shins Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 I don't get the whole idea of allowing owners out of their bid if they are the only bidder ... part of the strategy of blind bids is attempting to figure out the lowest amount you can bid and still win the player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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