Puddy Posted April 18, 2006 Share Posted April 18, 2006 The Pistons and Red Wings are the first teams from the same city to finish with the NBA and NHL's best regular-season record in the same season. Will it translate into two titles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Holliday Posted April 18, 2006 Share Posted April 18, 2006 The Pistons and Red Wings are the first teams from the same city to finish with the NBA and NHL's best regular-season record in the same season. Will it translate into two titles 1425025[/snapback] Feels good to have the bag off for a while huh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiefjay Posted April 18, 2006 Share Posted April 18, 2006 Both teams are unbelievable. I think the Pistons chances lie with Big Ben, I'm still not sure he's been as good this years as he has in the past few. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitem0nkey Posted April 18, 2006 Share Posted April 18, 2006 congrads, i hope my bulls dont have to play you in the first round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sarge5121976 Posted April 18, 2006 Share Posted April 18, 2006 Just wait till football season starts and we have 3 teams........oh wait Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmarc117 Posted April 18, 2006 Share Posted April 18, 2006 whats the NHL? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip_Side Posted April 19, 2006 Share Posted April 19, 2006 (edited) The Pistons and Red Wings are the first teams from the same city to finish with the NBA and NHL's best regular-season record in the same season. Will it translate into two titles 1425025[/snapback] Nope neither will win it. I don't know much about hockey, but I don't think the Red Wings will win it. And the Pistons will get lucky to even make it to the Finals, they will most likely play the Heat in the East Championship, that will be a tough game. If they win they go to play the best in the West, and the West always will be able to beat the East. Edited April 19, 2006 by Flip_Side Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiefjay Posted April 19, 2006 Share Posted April 19, 2006 Nope neither will win it.I don't know much about hockey, but I don't think the Red Wings will win it. And the Pistons will get lucky to even make it to the Finals, they will most likely play the Heat in the East Championship, that will be a tough game. If they win they go to play the best in the West, and the West always will be able to beat the East. 1426182[/snapback] Seahawks37 type analysis here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip_Side Posted April 19, 2006 Share Posted April 19, 2006 Seahawks37 type analysis here. 1426185[/snapback] Why is that? I'm just speaking on what I think will happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puddy Posted April 19, 2006 Author Share Posted April 19, 2006 Nope neither will win it.I don't know much about hockey, but I don't think the Red Wings will win it. And the Pistons will get lucky to even make it to the Finals, they will most likely play the Heat in the East Championship, that will be a tough game. If they win they go to play the best in the West, and the West always will be able to beat the East. 1426182[/snapback] Hmmm...The West didn't win it two years ago as the Pistons beat the Lakers in 5. They then took San Antonio to a 7th game in last years finals. Learned the importance of garnering the best record to secure home court advantage for that specific reason and went out and did it. They are focused and I believe the favorite to win it all. Hockey is a different animal as you see upsets much more often in the playoffs than in the NBA. However, I like the Wings chances there as well. Of course, I'm slightly biased. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LegFuJohnson Posted April 19, 2006 Share Posted April 19, 2006 Hmmm...The West didn't win it two years ago as the Pistons beat the Lakers in 5. They then took San Antonio to a 7th game in last years finals. Learned the importance of garnering the best record to secure home court advantage for that specific reason and went out and did it. They are focused and I believe the favorite to win it all.Hockey is a different animal as you see upsets much more often in the playoffs than in the NBA. However, I like the Wings chances there as well. Of course, I'm slightly biased. 1426256[/snapback] Why did having Game 7 on the road in San Antonio mean so much last year, but having Game 7 in Miami (and no home court advantage vs the Lakers) not matter the year before? But I've got no problems with the Pistons... hopefully the Devils will have something to say about the Wings chances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puddy Posted April 19, 2006 Author Share Posted April 19, 2006 Why did having Game 7 on the road in San Antonio mean so much last year, but having Game 7 in Miami (and no home court advantage vs the Lakers) not matter the year before? 1426284[/snapback] San Antonio has lost 7 games at home this year, Dallas 6 and Detroit only 3. Doesn't mean it can't be done, but it sure is nice if it's in your backyard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furd Posted April 19, 2006 Share Posted April 19, 2006 Maybe most impressive of all is that the Pistons have done it without Carlos Arroyo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donutrun Jellies Posted April 19, 2006 Share Posted April 19, 2006 whats the NHL? 1425852[/snapback] +1 Hey, and the Tigers got off to a nice start ... and maybe the Lions will play well in preseason ... sooo, even though "on top of the sports world" maaaaay be a little strong, the Pistons/Wings thing is worthy of some notice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiefjay Posted April 19, 2006 Share Posted April 19, 2006 (edited) Why did having Game 7 on the road in San Antonio mean so much last year, but having Game 7 in Miami (and no home court advantage vs the Lakers) not matter the year before? But I've got no problems with the Pistons... hopefully the Devils will have something to say about the Wings chances. 1426284[/snapback] I would say HF Adv is important no matter what. We caught LA at an opportune time for them and us. We were at the top of our game going into that Series and LA was at the end of their proverbial rope with all the Phil / Kobe / Shaq stuff. The Miami series I believe we were fortunate in that DWADE was hurt quite a bit or I think that series could have turned out differently with Home Court. The difference between the Miami and SA series was the last 5-6 minutes of Game 7 of each Series, Det out played Miami in Game 7 down the stretch and SA outplayed DET down the stretch. I blame Larry brown for the latter. Hockey is truely more of a crap shoot; I hope Detroit can continue this unbelievable season, no one in Detroit could have predicted 120+ pts. Edited April 19, 2006 by chiefjay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmarc117 Posted April 19, 2006 Share Posted April 19, 2006 (edited) hockey question...... did the lockout help or hinder the game? and another thing, poor mccarty...he seemed like a good guy. Edited April 19, 2006 by dmarc117 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LegFuJohnson Posted April 19, 2006 Share Posted April 19, 2006 The difference between the Miami and SA series was the last 5-6 minutes of Game 7 of each Series, Det out played Miami in Game 7 down the stretch and SA outplayed DET down the stretch. 1426742[/snapback] So you are saying that the team that outplayed the other down the stretch won both series? I agree 100%. That's usually how it plays out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LegFuJohnson Posted April 19, 2006 Share Posted April 19, 2006 hockey question...... did the lockout help or hinder the game? and another thing, poor mccarty...he seemed like a good guy. 1426785[/snapback] Good question. I'd say that it helped overall. Didn't help the players, didn't help the fans, but I think it helped the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puddy Posted April 19, 2006 Author Share Posted April 19, 2006 So you are saying that the team that outplayed the other down the stretch won both series? I agree 100%. That's usually how it plays out. 1427166[/snapback] San Antonio has lost 7 games at home this year, Dallas 6 and Detroit only 3. 1426288[/snapback] You didn't respond to this post though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiefjay Posted April 19, 2006 Share Posted April 19, 2006 So you are saying that the team that outplayed the other down the stretch won both series? I agree 100%. That's usually how it plays out. 1427166[/snapback] I'm saying that in those two series Home Court wasn't a factor but rather the team that played the best the last 5 minutes in Game 7 won both Series. Both series were even heading into the last half of the last period of the Series. In comparison Detroit Kicked LA's asz two years back so it did not come down to the last 5 minutes at all. Sometimes the team that plays best in the last 5 minutes doesn't win the game if they were down 20 going into the 4th Qtr. Or down two goals going into the last period, or down 11 pts going into the last quarter (Football). That's what I'm saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puddy Posted April 20, 2006 Author Share Posted April 20, 2006 Detroit produces the top teams in both the NBA and NHL By LARRY LAGE, AP Sports Writer April 19, 2006 DETROIT (AP) -- Hockeytown or Hoopstown? Detroit is both. The top teams at the end of the NBA and NHL regular seasons are in the same city for the first time, with the Pistons and Red Wings combining to pull off the feat for the Motor City. "It's always cool to be a part of anything that hasn't happened before," Joe Dumars, the Pistons' president of basketball operations, said Wednesday in an interview with The Associated Press. "This is a great sports town, and the fans around here are about to really have some fun following both teams." The Red Wings ended the regular season Tuesday with an NHL-best 58 wins, and the Pistons closed Wednesday night with a 96-80 loss to Washington, finishing the season with an NBA-best 64 wins. "We both established ourselves at home with great crowds, and both have been the best teams on the road," Pistons coach Flip Saunders said. "Different sports, but it's like we've been looking at each other in the mirror." The Red Wings will face the Edmonton Oilers in Game 1 of the first-round playoffs Friday night, and the Pistons will open the postseason Sunday night against the Milwaukee Bucks. If the Red Wings and Pistons win titles in two months, Detroit will be the first city to have NBA and NHL teams win championships in the same year. Anything less will be a disappointment for both teams -- and their fans -- because of a championship-or-bust mentality that has been cultivated with sustained success. The Pistons won it all two years ago, came just short of repeating last season and have won 50-plus games five straight years. The Red Wings, easily the NHL's winningest team the past 15 seasons, won three titles in a six-year span before two straight early exits in the playoffs before the lockout that canceled last season. Red Wings coach Mike Babcock said his players did not want to touch the Presidents' Trophy -- awarded to the NHL team with the best record -- because they want to hoist the Stanley Cup. "We all know what it's about here," Babcock said. For Detroit fans, they know it's wise to enjoy the Pistons and Red Wings while they're in season because the other two pro teams in town -- the Tigers and Lions -- will likely let them down. Detroit hasn't had a baseball team with a winning record since 1993 and hasn't won a World Series since 1984. The Lions have been the NFL's worst team since 2001, and they have one playoff victory since their last title in 1957. For the Motor City's Big Four, success -- or lack of it -- seems to come from the top. Mike Ilitch owns the Red Wings and Tigers, and his hockey team's reign atop the league was established when he hired general manager Jim Devellano in 1982. "Hockey wasn't on the map when Mike Ilitch bought the team, but Jimmy D. did a great job by changing that," said Red Wings GM Ken Holland, who has kept Devellano's momentum going since being promoted in 1997. "We would not be the franchise we are today without Jimmy D.'s moves and vision." Holland kept the Red Wings on top this season despite cutting their payroll almost in half to get under the salary cap because of the NHL's new collective bargaining agreement. While it was Jimmy D. who turned around the Red Wings, who used to give cars away to attract fans, Joe D. made the Pistons a championship-caliber team after they sunk following back-to-back titles he helped them win in 1989 and '90. Brendan Shanahan said the Pistons were irrelevant when he started playing for the Red Wings in 1996. "It was like they didn't exist," Shanahan said. "It's been great to see what Dumars has done to turn the Pistons around because I root for all of the pro teams around here." The Lions and Tigers have been harder to pull for because their owners -- William Clay Ford and Ilitch -- have not seemed to find a GM like Devellano, Holland or Dumars. That doesn't stop Dumars, who has evolved into a "certified Detroit sports fan" since being drafted by the Pistons in 1985. "My wish would be that all four teams could be contenders," he said. "The Pistons and Red Wings are there, and the other two are not far behind. I think the Lions are going to take (Michael) Huff in the draft to help right away, and I think the Tigers have a chance to be in the playoffs." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LegFuJohnson Posted April 20, 2006 Share Posted April 20, 2006 (edited) You didn't respond to this post though. 1427245[/snapback] Sorry, didn't know it required a response. You were just posting the amount of losses each team had this year at home. Neither lost too many. The top teams never do during the regular season. I didn't know there was anything more to say. I didn't really think your answer had anything to do with my initial question though. I asked why home court mattered so much last year in one series vs SA, when it didn't matter prior (against LA & Miami) and you posted stats from this year. Edited April 20, 2006 by LegFuJohnson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LegFuJohnson Posted April 20, 2006 Share Posted April 20, 2006 I'm saying that in those two series Home Court wasn't a factor but rather the team that played the best the last 5 minutes in Game 7 won both Series. Both series were even heading into the last half of the last period of the Series. In comparison Detroit Kicked LA's asz two years back so it did not come down to the last 5 minutes at all. Sometimes the team that plays best in the last 5 minutes doesn't win the game if they were down 20 going into the 4th Qtr. Or down two goals going into the last period, or down 11 pts going into the last quarter (Football). That's what I'm saying. 1427604[/snapback] I don't disagree. "In those two series Home Court wasn't a factor"... I agree totally, that was the purpose of my initial question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puddy Posted April 20, 2006 Author Share Posted April 20, 2006 Sorry, didn't know it required a response.You were just posting the amount of losses each team had this year at home. Neither lost too many. The top teams never do during the regular season. I didn't know there was anything more to say. I didn't really think your answer had anything to do with my initial question though. I asked why home court mattered so much last year (2005), when it didn't the year before (2004)... and you posted stats from 2006. 1428440[/snapback] I think posting the fact that the top three teams in the league this year lost a total of 16 games between them at home (compared to over 100 wins) is pretty good evidence why home court advantage is important in the playoffs. The Pistons squeaked a close one out over the Heat two years ago in game 7 on the road. That doesn't change my opinion that getting the home court advantage is very important. Oh and given my namesake - I would normally say "NOBODY BEATS THE DEVILS"... but as a Red Wing fan, I cannot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LegFuJohnson Posted April 20, 2006 Share Posted April 20, 2006 I think posting the fact that the top three teams in the league this year lost a total of 16 games between them at home (compared to over 100 wins) is pretty good evidence why home court advantage is important in the playoffs. The Pistons squeaked a close one out over the Heat two years ago in game 7 on the road. That doesn't change my opinion that getting the home court advantage is very important.Oh and given my namesake - I would normally say "NOBODY BEATS THE DEVILS"... but as a Red Wing fan, I cannot. 1428445[/snapback] I suppose, but that is always the case (top teams losing very few home games), and every year it seems that the better team wins... no matter who has home court advatange. Last year San Antonio was the best team, so they won. The year before the Pistons were the best team (most people thought the Lakers were the best, myself included, but we were all wrong) so they won. It seems that when you get a case where the better team is without home court, they win the series anyway. As far as the Devils/Red Wings, hopefully we'll meet up in 6 weeks or so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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