Coffeeman Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 A snippet from the Obama web site:That's just the tax piece, there's a ton more on the economy on the same page. thanks UM - damn, I'm gonna have to trade some tv time tonight to surf some of these sites now. Is there a site somewhere that features some top econ minds comparing and contrasting the candidates' plans? (and where's wiegie??) That would be very nice.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Swerski Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 Nice way to dead end a discussion. While Carter started the funding he wasn't the one bringing radical muslims from around the world  Radical muslims were the ones being armed under the Carter administration. Islamofascists issued a fatwah a full year and a half before Reagan took the Oath. This is where bin Laden's terrorist career began.  When the Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan in 1979, Azzam issued a fatwa, Defense of the Muslim Lands, the First Obligation after Faith [7] declaring that both the Afghan and Palestinian struggles were jihads in which killing occupiers of your land (no matter what their faith) was fard ayn (a personal obligation) for all Muslims. The edict was supported by Saudi Arabia's Grand Mufti (highest religious scholar), Abd al-Aziz Bin Bazz. In Pakistan in 1980, Azzam began to teach at International Islamic University in Islamabad. Soon thereafter, he moved from Islamabad to Peshawar, closer to the Afghan border, where he then established Maktab al-Khadamat (Services Office) to organize guest houses in Peshawar and paramilitary training camps in Afghanistan to prepare international recruits for the Afghan war front.... After Osama bin Laden graduated from the university in Jeddah in 1981, he also came to live for a time in Peshawar, "Azam prevailed on him to come and use his money" for training recruits, according to Rahimullah Yusufzai, executive editor of the English-language daily The News International. [8]  or leaving them behind after the Russians left. They should have been de briefed and returned to their home countries.  So, are you saying that Reagan should've invaded Afghanistan to take their assault rifles and RPGs back? I hope not, because that would never work.  Like I said there was a lot of blame to go around, but you blame only Clinton.  No, you made an ill-informed comment about Clinton being more effective at combating terrorism than Bush. And now you're making a stupid straw man argument to try to get out of it.  There are a myriad of very valid criticisms that one could make of the Bush administration. Try using one of those next time, rather than making something up to prop up Clinton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimC Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 Blaa Bllaa Blaa LULUgive it a rest.  This is a new election Bush is not running. check the title of the thread. your stick is old. We need a change That change is LULU to quite blaming everything that happens in this world on Rove and Bush. You lost the election -get over it.- The goal was to Protect American soli. The goal was to control the Middle east. Mission accomplished The middle east may not be stable but we own it.  Now back to the election  Beautiful. And so much greater when you have this playing in the background like I did when reading it. :usa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 thanks UM - damn, I'm gonna have to trade some tv time tonight to surf some of these sites now. Is there a site somewhere that features some top econ minds comparing and contrasting the candidates' plans? (and where's wiegie??) That would be very nice.... To be honest, I found it a bit thin. I like Obama a lot but there's really insufficient here to go on. He has that in common with all the other candidates, IMO. I also would like to see a neutral assessment of each aspect of each candidate side by side - good luck with finding "neutral" in this day and age though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffeeman Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 (edited) To address this, do we really need to spend more on defense than the entire rest of the world combined? Because that's what we do. As far as addressing terrorists, that's best done by a combination of excellent intelligence and surgical military strikes, asking permission of no-one and destroying just the terrorists. Tank divisions and battleships are crappy against terrorists. So...can we convince some others to help and not have to do it all ourselves? I sure hope so, but aside from maybe England, Australia & Canada, most others are pussies. I agree with the tank part, not sure about the boat part. Since others (i.e. Israel) are good with tanks and planes too, carriers and battleships are what distinguish our military from most others in the world...  Edit to add: our Air Force and special ops guys are pretty cool too... Edited January 9, 2008 by Coffeeman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moneymakers Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 I dont have a problem with the economy. I did not run up my credit cards. I pay them off monthly. My cars are paid for. Taxes are incredibly low for all. Â I finance my house with a good fixed rate. Â everyone I know has a job. Â everyone I know has health care except for a few that CHOOSE not to. Have never seen a hospital turn away a sick person. Â free lunch and free breakfast still going strong at the public schools. Â methadone clinics are in full swing. those people happy. Â Section 8 still paying rent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 So...can we convince some others to help and not have to do it all ourselves? I sure hope so, but aside from maybe England, Australia & Canada, most others are pussies. I agree with the tank part, not sure about the boat part. Since others (i.e. Israel) are good with tanks and planes too, carriers and battleships are what distinguish our military from most others in the world... Edit to add: our Air Force and special ops guys are pretty cool too... If you're talking anti-terrorist, special ops is where it's at, along with Cruise missiles and SMART weapons where required, all coupled to an efficient and accurate intelligence system. Sure, we still need a large Navy and a conventional force but Rumsfeld actually had it right when he was talking about a lean fast force, considering the enemies that actually exist right now. Special ops and cruise won't help much in an occupation operation like Iraq though so the question is what do we want to afford and where are the $$$ best spent? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yukon Cornelius Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 So...can we convince some others to help and not have to do it all ourselves? i kinda doubt it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffeeman Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 ...all coupled to an efficient and accurate intelligence system....so the question is what do we want to afford and where are the $$$ best spent? I think you answered your own Q. I think it may take trillions to build that part! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiegie Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 and where's wiegie?? I'm in Germany (for a year-long meeting of the David Hasselhof fan club society). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azazello1313 Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 A snippet from the Obama web site:That's just the tax piece, there's a ton more on the economy on the same page. Â so obama is going to fix the economy by cutting taxes and implementing a bunch of new spending. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEC=UGA Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 I just want to know who Obama considers to be "working" or "middle class"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimC Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 All these Democrats are talking about change, but I think they will take our dollars as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 so obama is going to fix the economy by cutting taxes and implementing a bunch of new spending. Like I said, the page certainly seems a bit thin, as do all the candidates when talking about the economy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiegie Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 Obama needs to take a class in economics. (Seriously... some of his proposals sound like stuff that my introductory macroeconomics students think are a good idea when they first come into my classes.) Â I really really want to like him but if I vote for him (which I still might do) it will be in spite of the distaste I have for some of his economic proposals. Â Anybody know who his economic advisors are? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaP'N GRuNGe Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 I'm guessing he probably was required to take an economics class or two at Harvard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEC=UGA Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 Obama needs to take a class in economics. (Seriously... some of his proposals sound like stuff that my introductory macroeconomics students think are a good idea when they first come into my classes.)Â I really really want to like him but if I vote for him (which I still might do) it will be in spite of the distaste I have for some of his economic proposals. Â Anybody know who his economic advisors are? Â Â Some kids from your intro econ class.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaP'N GRuNGe Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 (edited) Here you go wiegie... Â http://faculty.chicagogsb.edu/austan.gools...earch/vitae.htm Edited January 9, 2008 by CaP'N GRuNGe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DemonKnight Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 I just want to know who Obama considers to be "working" or "middle class"? Â Those under 78k in houshold income are included in his tax cuts. Per an interview I saw with him this morning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Swerski Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 I'm guessing he probably was required to take an economics class or two at Harvard. Â Law students are required to take economics courses? I don't think that even undergraduate Liberal Arts students are required to take econ at most universities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azazello1313 Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 Obama needs to take a class in economics. (Seriously... some of his proposals sound like stuff that my introductory macroeconomics students think are a good idea when they first come into my classes.)Â I really really want to like him but if I vote for him (which I still might do) it will be in spite of the distaste I have for some of his economic proposals. Â Anybody know who his economic advisors are? Â i like listening to obama talk, but every time he goes into any detail at all on his economic policies, i wince. hell, every time he goes into detail on almost ANYTHING, i wince. i dunno, the more i learn about the guy, the less i think of his policies. he seems to be getting by on "image" and a lot of hot air about "hope" and "change". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idahov Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 Those under 78k in houshold income are included in his tax cuts. Per an interview I saw with him this morning. Â So if you make more than 78k combined household he considers you rich? That's a friggin joke, especially in places where cost of living is high. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtomicCEO Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 I just want to know who Obama considers to be "working" or "middle class"? Â That is actually a very valid question. Â Long time no see, dude. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffeeman Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 So if you make more than 78k combined household he considers you rich? That's a friggin joke, especially in places where cost of living is high. Well, if he's not smart enough to vary this threshold by state, or even by county in big states like CA, he's not smart enough to run my country... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azazello1313 Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 Well, if he's not smart enough to vary this threshold by state, or even by county in big states like CA, he's not smart enough to run my country... Â well, the tax code doesn't currently discriminate on that basis in deterniming its income thresholds and never has. but it would be interesting to consider whether it should. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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