Record warm winter for northern Europe

[AtomicCEO]

If you interviewed every "scientist" on earth, my somewhat educated guess is that it would be about 50-50 on human contribution to climate change.

 

You'd be wrong. Look it up.

 

Pollution rules! Yay!

[Redfish]

You'd be wrong. Look it up.

 

Pollution rules! Yay!

 

No, I wouldn't be wrong. And you are being an obtuse pekkerhead. Below are five pages of names from a total of 31,478 scientists who have signed a document repudiating the UN stance on manmade GW. Spend some time on this site and give your partisan bullcrap a rest.

 

Petition Project

 

Dr. Fredrick Seitz, Past President of Rockefeller University, Past President of National Academy of Sciences – deceased March, 2008

Dr. Fred Singer, Professor Emeritus of Environmental Science University of Virginia, The First Director of the U. S. Weather Satellite Center, formerly a Research Physicist, Upper Atmospheric Rocket Program at John Hopkins University

Dr. Robert Jastrow, Founding Director of NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies and a former Professor of Earth Sciences of Dartmouth College, past Director and Chairman of the Board of Trustees of the Mount Wilson Institute, which manages Mount Wilson Observatory in California on behalf of the Carnegie Institution of Washington,– deceased February, 2008

Dr. Wei-Hock (“Willie”) Soon, Physicist at the Stellar Physics Division of the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics. Also is a Senior Scientist at the George C. Marshall Institute

Dr. Robert C. Balling, Professor and Director Office of Climatology at Arizona State University

Dr Arthur B. Robinson, President and Professor, Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine

Dr. Sallie Baliunas, Astrophysicist at the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics

Allegre, Claude, Ph.D. – Member, U.S. National and French Academies of Science.

Lindzen, Richard, Ph.D. – Professor, Meteorology, MIT; National Research Council Board of Atmospheric Sciences and Climate, U.S.

Abdussamatov, Habibullo, Ph.D. – Director, Space Research Laboratory, Russian Academy of Science’s Pulkova Observatory; Director, International Space Station Astrometria Project.

Solanki, Sami, Ph.D. – Director, Max Planck Institute for Solar System Research, Germany.

Dyson, Freeman, Ph.D. – Professor of Physics, Princeton University.

Fiis-Christensen, Eigil, Ph.D. – Director, Danish National Space Center; VP, International Association of Geomangnetism and Aeronomy.

Mackey, Richard – Statistician, Australia.

Shindell, Drew T, Ph.D. – National Aeronautics and Space Administration, U.S.

Svensmark, Henrik – Physicist, Danish National Space Center, Copenhagen.

Knappenberger, Paul C. – Climatologist, State of Virginia; New Hope Environmental

McKitrick, Ross, Ph.D. – Associate Professor, environmental economics and policy analysis, University of Guelph, Ontario; Sr. Fellow, Fraser Institute, Vancouver.

Tsonis, Anastasios A., Ph.D. – Professor, Department of Mathematics, University of Wisconsin, Milwaulkee.

Alexander, W.J.R., Ph.D. – Professor Emeritus, Department of Civil and Biosystems Engineering, University of Pretoria, South Africa; Past member of UN Scientific and Technical Committee on Natural Disasters.

Pielke, Roger A., Jr. – Professor, Environmental Studies; Fellow and past Director, Cooperative Institute for Research in Environmental Sciences, University of Colorado, Boulder.

Lupo, Anthony, R., Ph.D. – Associate Professor of Atmospheric Science, Department of Soil, Environmental, and Atmospheric Science, University of Missouri, Columbia.

McIntyre, Stephen – Founder, ClimateAudit.org.

Karlen, Wibjorn, Ph.D. – Professor, Physical Geography and Quaternary Geology, Stockholm University; Contributing author, Fraser Institute.

Landsea, Christopher W., Ph.D. - Science and Operations Officer, National Hurricane Center, Miami.

Rind, David, Ph.D. – National Aeronautics and Space Administration, U.S.

Lean, Judith, Ph.D. – Naval Research Laboratory Space Science Division; National Academy of Sciences, U.S.

Lonergan, Patrick, Ph.D. – Goddard Institute of Space Studies, U.S.

Beer, Jurg – Swiss Federal Institute of Environmental Science and Technology.

Vonmoos, Maura – Swiss Federal Institute of Environmental Science and Technology.

Musheler, Raimund – Climate and Radiation Branch, NASA Goddard Space Flight Center.

Hammel, H.B. – Space Science Institute, U.S.

Lockwood, G.W. – Lowell Observatory, U.S.

Camp, Charles D., Scientist – Mathematics Department, California Polytechnic State University, US.

Michaels, Patrick J., Ph.D. – Research professor, Environmental Sciences, University of Virginia; former climatologist for State of Virginia.

Nielson-Gammon, A. John, Ph.D. – Professor, Department of Ecosystem Science and Management, Texas A & M University; Texas State Climatologist.

Davis, Robert E., Ph.D. – Professor of Climatology, Dept. of Environmental Sciences, University of Virginia ; contributing editor, World Climate Report.

Keigwin, Lloyd, D., Ph.D. - Dept. of Geology and Geophysics Woods Hole Oceanographic Institute.

Gu, Zhaoyan – Institute of Geology and Geophysics, Chinese Academy of Sciences.

Liu, Tungsheng – Institute of Geology and Geophysics, Chinese Academy of Sciences.

McConnell, Joseph R., Ph.D. – Research Professor, Director, Ultra-Trace Chemistry Laboratory, Hydrogeology and Water Resources, University of Arizona.

Mursula, Kalevi – Professor, Space Physics, Space Research Group, Dept. of Physical Sciences, University of Oulu, Finland.

Veizer, Jan, Ph.D. – Professor Emeritus, Earth Sciences, University of Ottawa; NSERC/Noranda/CIFAR Industrial Chair, Earth System Isotope and Environmental Geochemistry.

Shaviv, Nir J. Ph.D. – Professor, Racah Institute of Physics, The Hebrew University, Jerusalem, Israel; Post doctoral fellow, The Canadian Institute of Theoretical Astrophysics, University of Toronto.

Crowley, Thomas J. - Professor, Nicholas School of the Environment, Duke University.

Avery, Dennis – Director, Center for Global Food Issues; Senior Fellow, Hudson Institute, Washington, D.C.; former Agricultural Analyst, U.S. Department of State.

Taylor, George – President, American Association of State Climatologists; Atmospheric Scientist, State of Oregon.

Anderson, Warren – Economist, George Mason University, Fairfax, Virginia.

Battaglia, Franco – Professor of Chemical Physics and Environmental Chemistry, University of Modena, Italy.

Carter, Robert – Paleoclimatologist, James Cook University, Townsville, Australia.

Courtney, Richard S. – Engineering expert for fuel use and climate consequences, founding member of European Science and Environment Forum, United Kingdom.

D’Aleo, Joseph – Meteorologist; Fellow and elected Councilor, American Meteorological Society.

Michaels, Patrick J., Ph.D. – Research Professor, Environmental Sciences, University of Virginia; former Climatologist for State of Virginia.

Goldberg, Fred, Ph.D. – Professor, Royal School of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden.

Gray, Vincent R., Ph.D. in Physical Chemistry, Cambridge University, U.K. - Founder, New Zealand Climate Science Coalition.

Haapala, Kenneth, M.S. – Economist, energy and economic modeler, Fairfax, VA.

Heiss, Klaus P., Ph.D. - Economist; Director, High Frontier Inc., Alexandria, VA.

Idso, Craig D., Ph.D. – Geographer and Agronomist; Founder and Chairman, Center for the Study of Carbon Dioxide and Global Change, Tempe, Arizona.

Jaworowski, Zbigniew , Ph.D. – Physicist; Senior Science Advisor, Central Laboratory for Radiological Protection, Warsaw, Poland.

Kärner, Olavi, Ph.D. - Physicist, Tartu Observatory, Estonia.

Khandekar, Madhav, Ph.D. – Meteorologist; Expert, Extreme Weather Events; former Research Scientist with Environment Canada.

Kininmonth, William, M.Sc., MAdmin –Former head, National Climate Centre, Australia; Consultant, Commission for Climatology, World Meteorological Organization, Kew, Australia.

Labohm, Hans H.J., Ph.D. – Economist; former Deputy Foreign Policy Planning Advisor, Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Netherlands; former advisor, The Netherlands Institute of International Relations, Leimuiden, Netherlands.

Monckton, Christopher, Viscount of Benchley – Chief Policy Advisor, Science and Public Policy Institute, Carie, Rannoch, Scotland; former Advisor to Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher.

Davros-Motl, Luboš, Ph.D. – Theoretical Physicist, former Assistant Professor at Harvard; Publisher, The Reference Frame Blog, Czech Republic.

Segalstad, Tom V. – Geologist; Head of the Geological Museum and program chairman for mineralogy/petrology/geochemistry, University of Oslo, Norway; former reviewer, IPCC.

Thoenes, DIck – Professor Emeritus, Chemical Engineering, Eindhoven University of Technology, Netherlands; former Chairman, Royal Netherlands Chemical Society.

Uriaite, Anton, Ph.D. – Professor of Geography, University de Zaragoza, Aragón, Spain.

Weber, Gerd-Rainer, Ph.D. – Consulting Meteorologist, Essen, Germany.

[McBoog]

... It's okay if you have a different opinion, but why are you spewing all the condescending poo? You're treating others like idiots and they are not.

 

It is the fascist way of the modern, "tolerant" liberal. You are stooopid and the devil if you do not agree with their rightous position of unquestionability. We are all idiots and will be duley treated as such until we are embarassed into submission with the elitist vantage from which they perch.

 

Give it up brah. It is a lost cause to talk about anything. There is no middle ground. You either agree or you will be re-educated.

[AtomicCEO]

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/...90119210532.htm

 

"A group of 3,146 earth scientists surveyed around the world overwhelmingly agree that in the past 200-plus years, mean global temperatures have been rising, and that human activity is a significant contributing factor in changing mean global temperatures."

 

Here's some info on your bogus petition project:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oregon_Petition

 

"In a previous incarnation of the petition, many fake names were discovered to have been added with the aim of showing the dubious methods by which the Petition Project gathered names. These have included an actor, a senator, a fictional character and a spice girl. It would appear that a number of names are duplicates, or belong to people who have died or have since changed their minds."

 

I have science. You have conspiracy theories. That's why I'm flip about this. I have the overwhelming support of Earth Science, studies, and data... and you are grasping at straws.

[bushwacked]

No, I wouldn't be wrong. And you are being an obtuse pekkerhead. Below are five pages of names from a total of 31,478 scientists who have signed a document repudiating the UN stance on manmade GW. Spend some time on this site and give your partisan bullcrap a rest.

 

Petition Project

 

Dr. Fredrick Seitz, Past President of Rockefeller University, Past President of National Academy of Sciences – deceased March, 2008

Dr. Fred Singer, Professor Emeritus of Environmental Science University of Virginia, The First Director of the U. S. Weather Satellite Center, formerly a Research Physicist, Upper Atmospheric Rocket Program at John Hopkins University

Dr. Robert Jastrow, Founding Director of NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies and a former Professor of Earth Sciences of Dartmouth College, past Director and Chairman of the Board of Trustees of the Mount Wilson Institute, which manages Mount Wilson Observatory in California on behalf of the Carnegie Institution of Washington,– deceased February, 2008

Dr. Wei-Hock (“Willie”) Soon, Physicist at the Stellar Physics Division of the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics. Also is a Senior Scientist at the George C. Marshall Institute

Dr. Robert C. Balling, Professor and Director Office of Climatology at Arizona State University

Dr Arthur B. Robinson, President and Professor, Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine

Dr. Sallie Baliunas, Astrophysicist at the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics

Allegre, Claude, Ph.D. – Member, U.S. National and French Academies of Science.

Lindzen, Richard, Ph.D. – Professor, Meteorology, MIT; National Research Council Board of Atmospheric Sciences and Climate, U.S.

Abdussamatov, Habibullo, Ph.D. – Director, Space Research Laboratory, Russian Academy of Science’s Pulkova Observatory; Director, International Space Station Astrometria Project.

Solanki, Sami, Ph.D. – Director, Max Planck Institute for Solar System Research, Germany.

Dyson, Freeman, Ph.D. – Professor of Physics, Princeton University.

Fiis-Christensen, Eigil, Ph.D. – Director, Danish National Space Center; VP, International Association of Geomangnetism and Aeronomy.

Mackey, Richard – Statistician, Australia.

Shindell, Drew T, Ph.D. – National Aeronautics and Space Administration, U.S.

Svensmark, Henrik – Physicist, Danish National Space Center, Copenhagen.

Knappenberger, Paul C. – Climatologist, State of Virginia; New Hope Environmental

McKitrick, Ross, Ph.D. – Associate Professor, environmental economics and policy analysis, University of Guelph, Ontario; Sr. Fellow, Fraser Institute, Vancouver.

Tsonis, Anastasios A., Ph.D. – Professor, Department of Mathematics, University of Wisconsin, Milwaulkee.

Alexander, W.J.R., Ph.D. – Professor Emeritus, Department of Civil and Biosystems Engineering, University of Pretoria, South Africa; Past member of UN Scientific and Technical Committee on Natural Disasters.

Pielke, Roger A., Jr. – Professor, Environmental Studies; Fellow and past Director, Cooperative Institute for Research in Environmental Sciences, University of Colorado, Boulder.

Lupo, Anthony, R., Ph.D. – Associate Professor of Atmospheric Science, Department of Soil, Environmental, and Atmospheric Science, University of Missouri, Columbia.

McIntyre, Stephen – Founder, ClimateAudit.org.

Karlen, Wibjorn, Ph.D. – Professor, Physical Geography and Quaternary Geology, Stockholm University; Contributing author, Fraser Institute.

Landsea, Christopher W., Ph.D. - Science and Operations Officer, National Hurricane Center, Miami.

Rind, David, Ph.D. – National Aeronautics and Space Administration, U.S.

Lean, Judith, Ph.D. – Naval Research Laboratory Space Science Division; National Academy of Sciences, U.S.

Lonergan, Patrick, Ph.D. – Goddard Institute of Space Studies, U.S.

Beer, Jurg – Swiss Federal Institute of Environmental Science and Technology.

Vonmoos, Maura – Swiss Federal Institute of Environmental Science and Technology.

Musheler, Raimund – Climate and Radiation Branch, NASA Goddard Space Flight Center.

Hammel, H.B. – Space Science Institute, U.S.

Lockwood, G.W. – Lowell Observatory, U.S.

Camp, Charles D., Scientist – Mathematics Department, California Polytechnic State University, US.

Michaels, Patrick J., Ph.D. – Research professor, Environmental Sciences, University of Virginia; former climatologist for State of Virginia.

Nielson-Gammon, A. John, Ph.D. – Professor, Department of Ecosystem Science and Management, Texas A & M University; Texas State Climatologist.

Davis, Robert E., Ph.D. – Professor of Climatology, Dept. of Environmental Sciences, University of Virginia ; contributing editor, World Climate Report.

Keigwin, Lloyd, D., Ph.D. - Dept. of Geology and Geophysics Woods Hole Oceanographic Institute.

Gu, Zhaoyan – Institute of Geology and Geophysics, Chinese Academy of Sciences.

Liu, Tungsheng – Institute of Geology and Geophysics, Chinese Academy of Sciences.

McConnell, Joseph R., Ph.D. – Research Professor, Director, Ultra-Trace Chemistry Laboratory, Hydrogeology and Water Resources, University of Arizona.

Mursula, Kalevi – Professor, Space Physics, Space Research Group, Dept. of Physical Sciences, University of Oulu, Finland.

Veizer, Jan, Ph.D. – Professor Emeritus, Earth Sciences, University of Ottawa; NSERC/Noranda/CIFAR Industrial Chair, Earth System Isotope and Environmental Geochemistry.

Shaviv, Nir J. Ph.D. – Professor, Racah Institute of Physics, The Hebrew University, Jerusalem, Israel; Post doctoral fellow, The Canadian Institute of Theoretical Astrophysics, University of Toronto.

Crowley, Thomas J. - Professor, Nicholas School of the Environment, Duke University.

Avery, Dennis – Director, Center for Global Food Issues; Senior Fellow, Hudson Institute, Washington, D.C.; former Agricultural Analyst, U.S. Department of State.

Taylor, George – President, American Association of State Climatologists; Atmospheric Scientist, State of Oregon.

Anderson, Warren – Economist, George Mason University, Fairfax, Virginia.

Battaglia, Franco – Professor of Chemical Physics and Environmental Chemistry, University of Modena, Italy.

Carter, Robert – Paleoclimatologist, James Cook University, Townsville, Australia.

Courtney, Richard S. – Engineering expert for fuel use and climate consequences, founding member of European Science and Environment Forum, United Kingdom.

D’Aleo, Joseph – Meteorologist; Fellow and elected Councilor, American Meteorological Society.

Michaels, Patrick J., Ph.D. – Research Professor, Environmental Sciences, University of Virginia; former Climatologist for State of Virginia.

Goldberg, Fred, Ph.D. – Professor, Royal School of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden.

Gray, Vincent R., Ph.D. in Physical Chemistry, Cambridge University, U.K. - Founder, New Zealand Climate Science Coalition.

Haapala, Kenneth, M.S. – Economist, energy and economic modeler, Fairfax, VA.

Heiss, Klaus P., Ph.D. - Economist; Director, High Frontier Inc., Alexandria, VA.

Idso, Craig D., Ph.D. – Geographer and Agronomist; Founder and Chairman, Center for the Study of Carbon Dioxide and Global Change, Tempe, Arizona.

Jaworowski, Zbigniew , Ph.D. – Physicist; Senior Science Advisor, Central Laboratory for Radiological Protection, Warsaw, Poland.

Kärner, Olavi, Ph.D. - Physicist, Tartu Observatory, Estonia.

Khandekar, Madhav, Ph.D. – Meteorologist; Expert, Extreme Weather Events; former Research Scientist with Environment Canada.

Kininmonth, William, M.Sc., MAdmin –Former head, National Climate Centre, Australia; Consultant, Commission for Climatology, World Meteorological Organization, Kew, Australia.

Labohm, Hans H.J., Ph.D. – Economist; former Deputy Foreign Policy Planning Advisor, Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Netherlands; former advisor, The Netherlands Institute of International Relations, Leimuiden, Netherlands.

Monckton, Christopher, Viscount of Benchley – Chief Policy Advisor, Science and Public Policy Institute, Carie, Rannoch, Scotland; former Advisor to Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher.

Davros-Motl, Luboš, Ph.D. – Theoretical Physicist, former Assistant Professor at Harvard; Publisher, The Reference Frame Blog, Czech Republic.

Segalstad, Tom V. – Geologist; Head of the Geological Museum and program chairman for mineralogy/petrology/geochemistry, University of Oslo, Norway; former reviewer, IPCC.

Thoenes, DIck – Professor Emeritus, Chemical Engineering, Eindhoven University of Technology, Netherlands; former Chairman, Royal Netherlands Chemical Society.

Uriaite, Anton, Ph.D. – Professor of Geography, University de Zaragoza, Aragón, Spain.

Weber, Gerd-Rainer, Ph.D. – Consulting Meteorologist, Essen, Germany.

 

A lot of Economists, Weathermen, Engineers, and Geographers listed there. 97% of climatologists believe in anthropogenic warming. Again, the right is very successful in spinning this.

[dmarc117]

A lot of Economists, Weathermen, Engineers, and Geographers listed there. 97% of climatologists believe in anthropogenic warming. Again, the right is very successful in spinning this.

 

 

100% of your 97% are invested in al bore's funds.

[Redfish]

A lot of Economists, Weathermen, Engineers, and Geographers listed there. 97% of climatologists believe in anthropogenic warming. Again, the right is very successful in spinning this.

 

No partisan spin intended here Bush. My point (other than Atomic was being a putz) is that the debate is far from resolved. With one google inquiry, I could post ten thousand links that question the validity of AGW theory. And so could you for the opposite position. That IS the point. The NASA link posted in the other thread is just another scientific analysis.

[MrTed46]

It is sad to me when people claim that man is not at fault.

 

I was watching the history channel, I forget the name of the show but it was about the depth of our oceans and how we still have not been to the ocean floor in alot of areas. A scientist on the show said something like, although we havnt touched on every area in the deep ocean, I guarantee you we will find some type of man made pollution such as a beer can. This sadens me alot to be honest.

 

I dont know if we are the cause of global warming or not, but we are sure polluting the crap out of this planet and we need to stop ASAP and I hope it is not too late. The fact that there is a high concentration of Mercury in large fish is proof we are out of control.

Edited June 2, 2009 by MrTed46

[bpwallace49]

When will everyone realize that EVERY politician has an agenda to advance?

 

Mcboog is saying that pollution sucks, there may be a negative trend with human-caused emmissions, but it is still inconclusive. This is a very intelligent and rational point to make. I read this whole thread and never saw anyone saying "the sky is falling" but for some reason H8 seems to fixate on it.

 

Should we reduce our pollution and look for cleaner energy? Absolutely. Will everyone buying a hybrid change the world? Severly doubtful . . .

 

Each side of the political landscape needs their "ivory tower" of belief to cause fear in the populace that will cause voters to support them. For GWB and the republicnas, their politics of fear lie in making you beleive your house is the target of a terrorist threat and keeping the level of fear ratcheted up. The democrats and Gore believe in the impending doom of global warming to unite the world in climate salvation.

 

I think global warming is quite possibly harming the environment at an un-natural rate (which is different than the natural cycle of volcanoes and warm/freeze cycles in the past), but doubt that mankind has any kind of widespread power to change that fact. the US can do whatever the hell it wants to, but it wont change the coal plants in China and India. I read an article where it said that farm animals contribute more methane and greenhouse gasses than cars . . . I have to go find that . . .

[Azazello1313]

97% of climatologists believe in anthropogenic warming.

 

that's very convincing. coincidentally, 97% is also the percentage of UFO-ologists who believe we are visited extra-terrestrials. good enough for me!

[The Holy Roller]

I liked 97% of everything I had for lunch today.

[H8tank]

I think global warming is quite possibly harming the environment at an un-natural rate

 

The earth is not warming, we are cooling now.

 

How do you explain the recent global warming on Mars?

[MrTed46]

The earth is not warming, we are cooling now.

 

How do you explain the recent global warming on Mars?

 

?

 

I havnt heard about this would like to read

[bushwacked]

that's very convincing. coincidentally, 97% is also the percentage of UFO-ologists who believe we are visited extra-terrestrials lung doctors who think smoking is bad for your health. good enough for me!

 

Fixed for a much more applicable, and less politically motivated comparison.

[Redfish]

When will everyone realize that EVERY politician has an agenda to advance?

 

Mcboog is saying that pollution sucks, there may be a negative trend with human-caused emmissions, but it is still inconclusive. This is a very intelligent and rational point to make. I read this whole thread and never saw anyone saying "the sky is falling" but for some reason H8 seems to fixate on it.

 

Agreed about most of what you say. We all have a stake in improving how things are manufactured, utilized and disposed. Clean air and water affect us all, as does the economy and the geopolitical status of our nation. We need to take all these things into consideration. The Kyoto Protocols were poorly written, unenforceable and will make no difference in the big polluting countries like Russia, China and India. In terms of tons of pollution per dollar of GDP, we are actually one of the more efficient countries in the world.. And Al Gore may be the most agenda-driven of them all, particularly since his tilto/insanity episode after losing the election. He is a caricature now.

 

Believe me, I am anti-pollution as they come. On a small scale (and those things I can control), I do my part and more.

[AtomicCEO]

No partisan spin intended here Bush. My point (other than Atomic was being a putz) is that the debate is far from resolved. With one google inquiry, I could post ten thousand links that question the validity of AGW theory. And so could you for the opposite position. That IS the point. The NASA link posted in the other thread is just another scientific analysis.

 

No, what you've got is the people who study this all agree convincingly that this is a real phenomenon.

 

Then what McBoog has is a guy who spammed out requests for signatures to every economist, medical doctor and engineeer in the world and came back with like 32K signatures of people who don't study this who think it's fake. That is not a successful rebuttal.

 

If you do a Google inquiry, you will also find ten thousand links that say UFOs are real, that the jews planned 9/11, and that the holocaust never happened. This is not a justification. If you want a justification... ask the people who study this.