3rd Party ruling

[toolman]

Ok fellow Huddlers we have a dilemna in our league. Its an established league (15 years) 10 team performance, 2 divisions of 5 teams, you play everyone in your division twice and everyone in the other division once for a total of 13 games. Top 3 teams in each division go to playoffs, the division winner gets a week 14 (rd 1 of playoffs) bye.

Ok heres the problem one division has a 3 way tie all 3 teams are at 8-5 overall record and 4-4 division record. Here I'll post it:

 

Team W L T Pct W L T Pct Tot Avg Tot Strk LP

Team T 8 5 0 0.615 4 4 0 0.500 744 57.2 690 L2 49

 

Tean M 8 5 0 0.615 4 4 0 0.500 726 55.8 622 W1 72

 

Team C 8 5 0 0.615 4 4 0 0.500 625 48.1 682 W2 74

 

Heres our rules for Division rankings:

Division Ranking

Teams are ranked within a division using the following order:

 

1. Overall Winning Percentage

2. Division Winning Percentage

3. Head-to-HEAD Games Played (2 teams only)

4. Most Points For, Season To Date

5. Virtual Coin Toss

 

 

Team T and Team C split their division series, Team M and Team C split their division series, Team M beat Team T both times in division matchups. Our system has Team T as the Division champ and Teams M and C playing each other in the first round of the playoffs. I think thats wrong and heres why, Team M beat Team T 2-0 in the division so he shouldn't even be considered for div champ, team M and team C splith their matchup 1-1 but Team M has more total points scored so I say it should be Team M 1st, Team T 2nd and Team C 3rd as him and T tied in division and Team T has more points scored.

 

Please anyone with serious fantasy football experience (running a league) let me know what you think I say no way can a team that went 0-2 against another team be Division champ over said team. Thank you and I know its long but please help with some insight thank you again!

[toolman]

Anyone?

[jaguars72]

Based on the third tie breaker rule it looks like Team M should be awarded 1st place

[toolman]

Thanks Jags

[GoNads]

Sounds like a BCS mess? You sure this isn't the Big 12?

 

I'd agree w/ Team M. You should change your tie-breaker to points. Gets rid of all that non-sense.

[Eagle2003]

All teams run into this and here is the eaiest fix in the world. Make total points the 1st tiebreaker next year.

[BYoder]

Looks like the software has it right to me based on your rules.

 

Teams are ranked within a division using the following order:

 

1. Overall Winning Percentage

All teams are tied at 0.615

2. Division Winning Percentage

All teams are tied at 0.500

3. Head-to-HEAD Games Played (2 teams only)

There are 3 teams tied so you have to skip this step

4. Most Points For, Season To Date

Team T - 744

Team M - 726

Team C - 625

5. Virtual Coin Toss

Based on the way that your tiebreakers are setup it does not matter that Team M beat Team T twice since head-to-head only comes into play with 2 teams.

Edited December 5, 2008 by BYoder

[Eagle2003]

By the way I would say Team M or Total Points.

[Big John]

rules say:

 

3. Head-to-HEAD Games Played (2 teams only)

 

Since 3 teams are involved, H2H can't be used.

 

Next to #4 to most points and team T wins the division.

 

 

If it was a 2-way tie between teams M and T, Team M would have won the division, but since Team C was also tied with them, that throws out the H2H since league rules clearly state that H2H applies only when 2 teams are involved.

Edited December 5, 2008 by Big John

[Eagle2003]

Well put Big John!

[toolman]

rules say:

 

3. Head-to-HEAD Games Played (2 teams only)

 

Since 3 teams are involved, H2H can't be used.

 

Next to #4 to most points and team T wins the division.

 

 

If it was a 2-way tie between teams M and T, Team M would have won the division, but since Team C was also tied with them, that throws out the H2H since league rules clearly state that H2H applies only when 2 teams are involved.

 

Thanks everyone for your input. Here's where I think its open for interpetation, Team T shouldn't even be considered in the mix for division champ sure he's tied with overall and div record with the other two teams. But seeing as he was beat by Team M twice the two teams implied by the head to head (2 teams) rule are Team M and Team C as they were both split their in div match-up thus it falls to points scored between these two.

 

I ran this scenario by our leagues members:

Here's a scenario say Team M and Team C beat Team T both times so that all three of them still were 8-5 and 4-4 div record but the other two teams had 2-0 record against him head to head, Team T would still be div champ??? based on points scored that's not right.

And for those of you wondering I am not any of the 3 teams in this discussion I won my division hands down. Thanks again.

Edited December 5, 2008 by toolman

[JetFanMike]

There's two different questions. Question one is what to do this year, and you simply can't change the rules mid-stream. It's got to go to total points (which in reality, probably IS the fairest way in Fantasy -- the best fantasy team isn't the one with the most wins, it's the one with the most points, right? -- think about who you would rather face in the playoffs).

 

Question two is which way it SHOULD be done. If this was "real" head-to-head, you could do "mini-standings". That's multiple team head to head -- you take all the tied teams and see how they did against each other. In your example, M would be 3-1, C would be 2-2, and T would be 1-3 so M would win. And in a "real" sport I would say that's the way to go. But not in Fantasy, and you can't change it now.

 

One other suggestion for this year -- don't give ANY of them the bye (none of them earned it) -- have all three teams set a lineup for this week, and let the two highest scores this week advance.

[toolman]

There's two different questions. Question one is what to do this year, and you simply can't change the rules mid-stream. It's got to go to total points (which in reality, probably IS the fairest way in Fantasy -- the best fantasy team isn't the one with the most wins, it's the one with the most points, right? -- think about who you would rather face in the playoffs).

 

Question two is which way it SHOULD be done. If this was "real" head-to-head, you could do "mini-standings". That's multiple team head to head -- you take all the tied teams and see how they did against each other. In your example, M would be 3-1, C would be 2-2, and T would be 1-3 so M would win. And in a "real" sport I would say that's the way to go. But not in Fantasy, and you can't change it now.

 

One other suggestion for this year -- don't give ANY of them the bye (none of them earned it) -- have all three teams set a lineup for this week, and let the two highest scores this week advance.

 

Yea I'm not suggesting we change it mid season I just can't get the two commish's to admit its not right. We've done head to head for 10 years at least.

[Dooomsday]

yeah, tool, I am sure they didnt consider this scenario but T has to get it since it clearly says 2 way head to head tie break. If it said 3 way or nothing at all,you're right.