dmarc117 Posted March 15, 2010 Share Posted March 15, 2010 http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/03/o...ing-upon-arrest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evil_gop_liars Posted March 15, 2010 Share Posted March 15, 2010 http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/03/o...ing-upon-arrest "upon arrest" They might want yours but they don't want mine. How is this different from finger printing and mugshots? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmarc117 Posted March 15, 2010 Author Share Posted March 15, 2010 "upon arrest" They might want yours but they don't want mine. How is this different from finger printing and mugshots? i agree with it. we discussed this awhile ago here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted March 15, 2010 Share Posted March 15, 2010 As long as the data is used solely for detection of crime, I don't see the problem here. As soon as that narrow criterion changes, I'd see a hugh problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caveman_Nick Posted March 15, 2010 Share Posted March 15, 2010 Gattaca. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Cid Posted March 15, 2010 Share Posted March 15, 2010 Gattaca. My thoughts exactly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted March 15, 2010 Share Posted March 15, 2010 As long as the data is used solely for detection of crime, I don't see the problem here. As soon as that narrow criterion changes, I'd see a hugh problem. once they have what they want, it's easy for them to bend or change the rules...balls in their court.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted March 15, 2010 Share Posted March 15, 2010 once they have what they want, it's easy for them to bend or change the rules...balls in their court.. Correct, and then I'd have a hugh problem, as I said, and as would most people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpwallace49 Posted March 15, 2010 Share Posted March 15, 2010 If it isnt being used to merge with the DNA of 10 foot tall blue humanoid creatures on Pandora . . . . then I am out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmarc117 Posted March 15, 2010 Author Share Posted March 15, 2010 because they are doing so many bad things with our prints and ss numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caveman_Nick Posted March 15, 2010 Share Posted March 15, 2010 I have cop friends who do things like sit in parking lots and run plates all day long. Some folks I know have no problem with this, saying things like "If you have done nothing wrong, you have nothing to worry about" The problem with that thinking is that the more we get conditioned to the gubment checking up on us with nothing to worry about if we have done nother wrong, the easier it is for laws to become invasive and for people to get caught doing things wrong that they didn't know were wrong. Bad recipe IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fingfootball Posted March 15, 2010 Share Posted March 15, 2010 The way I understand it alot of innocent people have been exonerated and freed from prison because of DNA collection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yo mama Posted March 15, 2010 Share Posted March 15, 2010 (edited) I have cop friends who do things like sit in parking lots and run plates all day long. Some folks I know have no problem with this, saying things like "If you have done nothing wrong, you have nothing to worry about" The problem with that thinking is that the more we get conditioned to the gubment checking up on us with nothing to worry about if we have done nother wrong, the easier it is for laws to become invasive and for people to get caught doing things wrong that they didn't know were wrong. Bad recipe IMO. Ignorance of the law isn't a defense. Easy solution: all convicted felons get their DNA tagged whether they like it or not (you have lesser privacy rights as a felon). For everyone else, its optional. For those legal adults who choose to participate in this optional program, we offer a one-time $200 federal tax credit as a reward for helping defray the costs of federal law enforcement by making your DNA available. Edited March 15, 2010 by yo mama Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
millerx Posted March 16, 2010 Share Posted March 16, 2010 I say we just get three precogs and there will be no need to give blood. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmarc117 Posted March 16, 2010 Author Share Posted March 16, 2010 The way I understand it alot of innocent people have been exonerated and freed from prison because of DNA collection. yep, dna proves both innocence and guilt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmarc117 Posted March 16, 2010 Author Share Posted March 16, 2010 i think the chances of catching bad guys far outweighs the chances of govt misuse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westvirginia Posted March 16, 2010 Share Posted March 16, 2010 i think the chances of catching bad guys far outweighs the chances of govt misuse. Dude... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmarc117 Posted March 16, 2010 Author Share Posted March 16, 2010 Dude... you really think the govt is going to use our dna to arrest innocent civilians? if so, youre nuts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evil_gop_liars Posted March 16, 2010 Share Posted March 16, 2010 you really think the govt is going to use our dna to arrest innocent civilians? if so, youre nuts. :highfive: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westvirginia Posted March 16, 2010 Share Posted March 16, 2010 i think the chances of catching bad guys far outweighs the chances of govt misuse. you really think the govt is going to use our dna to arrest innocent civilians? if so, youre nuts. OK, so based on the two statements above you'd be perfectly willing for fedgov to put cameras, microphones, wiretaps (for phone, internet, and cell), etc. in your house? That's the end result of what you're advocating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmarc117 Posted March 16, 2010 Author Share Posted March 16, 2010 (edited) OK, so based on the two statements above you'd be perfectly willing for fedgov to put cameras, microphones, wiretaps (for phone, internet, and cell), etc. in your house? That's the end result of what you're advocating. collecting dna to cross-check criminals and crimes is like putting a camera in your house? lol, ok. thats lunacy talk. Edited March 16, 2010 by dmarc117 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpwallace49 Posted March 16, 2010 Share Posted March 16, 2010 OK, so based on the two statements above you'd be perfectly willing for fedgov to put cameras, microphones, wiretaps (for phone, internet, and cell), etc. in your house? That's the end result of what you're advocating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westvirginia Posted March 16, 2010 Share Posted March 16, 2010 collecting dna to cross-check criminals and crimes is like putting a camera in your house? lol, ok. thats lunacy talk. Hey, if you're not doing anything illegal then what are you worried about? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpwallace49 Posted March 16, 2010 Share Posted March 16, 2010 Hey, if you're not doing anything illegal then what are you worried about? Ever give blood WV? If so, do you think the shadowy gubmnet is growing a clone of you somewheres in Area 51 and keeping your DNA for some diabolical purpose in conjunction with the League of Shadows and the Legion of Doom? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westvirginia Posted March 16, 2010 Share Posted March 16, 2010 (edited) Ever give blood WV? If so, do you think the shadowy gubmnet is growing a clone of you somewheres in Area 51 and keeping your DNA for some diabolical purpose in conjunction with the League of Shadows and the Legion of Doom? Dude - they could never clone me. God used up his whole supply of AWESOMIUM (pronouced awe-some-ee-um with the emphasis on the second syllable) when I was made. I'm a founding member of SHIELD, baby... ETA - when they tried, the needle broke. No one else can handle my blood... Edited March 16, 2010 by westvirginia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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