TimC Posted June 3, 2010 Share Posted June 3, 2010 Arabs are worse than France when it comes to fighting wars. The Mooslims are simply sheep being led around to the slaughter by whichever power is in charge. Weak people. Israel could conquer them in an hour and a half if we let them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perchoutofwater Posted June 3, 2010 Share Posted June 3, 2010 No, it really isn't. In 1967 Jordan, Syria and Egypt all working together and all bordering Israel were hammered and it took the Israelis just six days to send the whole lot of them packing and annex areas about three times bigger than their own country. In 1973 Egypt and Syria launched surprise attacks and were utterly routed, with the Israelis ending up only a few miles from both Damascus and Cairo. Arabs haven't put together a disciplined fighting army in nearly a millennium. Militarily they are completely worthless in comparison. Even if every single one of them attacked Israel simultaneously, they'd be shredded in a week. I will bow to your superior knowledge of the region, particularly in events that took place before I was born. However I would ask, during the two altercations you mentioned above, where was Israel getting it's weapons? I'm not a very good lawyer, as I don't know the answer to my question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perchoutofwater Posted June 3, 2010 Share Posted June 3, 2010 that quote is a joke more than the reality of things... Palestinians don't even fight them, they just get massacred... I have to ask, just so I know where you are coming from. Are you Palestinian or an anti-semite? I'm not trying to start chit, just want to know what your point of reference is, or what makes you feel the way you do about the conflict. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
driveby Posted June 3, 2010 Share Posted June 3, 2010 ....yeah, are you? that quote is a joke more than the reality of things... Palestinians don't even fight them, they just get massacred... Not sure what you're trying to say here but I'm guessing lobbing rockets into towns and villages and blowing up street cafe's qualifies as "fighting". And +1 to perch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEC=UGA Posted June 3, 2010 Author Share Posted June 3, 2010 so a girl gets popped in the eye with a gas grenade and she's a "loud mouth"? I have a real problem with American students going over to other countries and protesting something that they realistically know very little about. Further, when they begin to impede the process of what foreign governments are doing, they should reap what they have sewn. Is it a tragedy that some girl gets run over by a dozer or loses her eye while protesting a foreign governments action; in a sense, yes and no. These people chose to put themselves in harms way, they made the choice to go into a foreign nation and place themselves at the mercy of a foreign government that does not have the same tolerances as the US, again, that is their choice and they par the price for their unwise actions. I look at these deaths and wounds much the same as I look at the sentences meted out to those who break the laws of a foreign nation. Is it tragic that some America/UK/Australian citizen is sentenced to lif in prison for smuggling opiates into Thailand, in a sense, yes, but the law is the law. And, just because we don't run over protesters here in the US or sentence drug smugglers to death or caneing doesn't make it entirely inappropriate for other sovereign nations to do so. So, while I can feel sorry for the loss that the family and friends of these two ladies suffered, I don't feel sorry for the two ladies and I certainly do view them with little regard for their ignorant actions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEC=UGA Posted June 3, 2010 Author Share Posted June 3, 2010 I will bow to your superior knowledge of the region, particularly in events that took place before I was born. However I would ask, during the two altercations you mentioned above, where was Israel getting it's weapons? I'm not a very good lawyer, as I don't know the answer to my question. Those were the six day and Yom Kippur Wars. We were supplying Israel with their weapons and training them, much as we are now. These are the wars where Israel claimed the West Bank, Parts of Gaza and the Golan Heights. Israel pretty much got teamed up on, there were some issues with Egypt being bottle necked and unable to do too much. THe attacks were pretty poorly planned and coordination between the attacking armies was a big issue. Israel may have a little more issues rolling over Egyptian military today, though they are unlikely to try and attack again. They would absolutely destroy a coalition of Syria, Lebanaon, Jordan, etc... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted June 3, 2010 Share Posted June 3, 2010 (edited) I have to ask, just so I know where you are coming from. Are you Palestinian or an anti-semite? I'm not trying to start chit, just want to know what your point of reference is, or what makes you feel the way you do about the conflict. neither....I have Jewish friends and have made one Palestinian friend in my life...I just know right from wrong and have followed this situation on the Gaza strip for quite some time... ht e Zionist group running things over there have their people brainwashed and it's very disturbing to watch... edit: I'd also like to add that I find it hilarious that if you hate any other group of people than the Israeli's, you are prejudice or racist....but if you hate Israeli's then you are "anti-semite"...they have their own form of hate spewed from BS propaganda... Edited June 3, 2010 by Avernus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted June 3, 2010 Share Posted June 3, 2010 Not sure what you're trying to say here but I'm guessing lobbing rockets into towns and villages and blowing up street cafe's qualifies as "fighting". And +1 to perch are you lumping in other Arab nations with Palestinians?....before all this crap started, Palestinians and Israeli's watched each other's children and got along just fine...until the Zionist group came in and wanted only Hebrews/Jews living in Israel.... It doesn't matter who you are, if you walk in certain areas of the Gaza strip or around that area, you will get sniped and it's not like they have some secret military base there...they have children and families there... the paranoia in the Tailgate is tremendous because apparently all the people in that region other than Israeli's are terrorists... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted June 3, 2010 Share Posted June 3, 2010 I have a real problem with American students going over to other countries and protesting something that they realistically know very little about. Further, when they begin to impede the process of what foreign governments are doing, they should reap what they have sewn. Is it a tragedy that some girl gets run over by a dozer or loses her eye while protesting a foreign governments action; in a sense, yes and no. These people chose to put themselves in harms way, they made the choice to go into a foreign nation and place themselves at the mercy of a foreign government that does not have the same tolerances as the US, again, that is their choice and they par the price for their unwise actions. I look at these deaths and wounds much the same as I look at the sentences meted out to those who break the laws of a foreign nation. Is it tragic that some America/UK/Australian citizen is sentenced to lif in prison for smuggling opiates into Thailand, in a sense, yes, but the law is the law. And, just because we don't run over protesters here in the US or sentence drug smugglers to death or caneing doesn't make it entirely inappropriate for other sovereign nations to do so. So, while I can feel sorry for the loss that the family and friends of these two ladies suffered, I don't feel sorry for the two ladies and I certainly do view them with little regard for their ignorant actions. you can't compare the two...in one case there was someone standing up for families who get treated like cattle every day and are shot at for fun for what might be the duration of their lives....where-as you have another situation where someone smuggled an illegal substance into another Country where he knew he was wrong... we just have two completely different views of what is going on over there...that is all.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEC=UGA Posted June 3, 2010 Author Share Posted June 3, 2010 you can't compare the two...in one case there was someone standing up for families who get treated like cattle every day and are shot at for fun for what might be the duration of their lives....where-as you have another situation where someone smuggled an illegal substance into another Country where he knew he was wrong... we just have two completely different views of what is going on over there...that is all.. Unlawful assemblage is against the law in many countries. These ladies were breaking the law. The families get treated like cattle for a reason, at night they lob rockets into civilian areas for fun and during the day, well, they throw rocks and fire weapons at soldiers and lob rockets into civilian areas for fun. You are absolutely correct on one point, though, we do have very different views of what is transpiring in this region. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rattsass Posted June 3, 2010 Share Posted June 3, 2010 Why can't Israel just let the Palestinians open up some unregulated casinos. It worked for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted June 3, 2010 Share Posted June 3, 2010 Unlawful assemblage is against the law in many countries. These ladies were breaking the law. The families get treated like cattle for a reason, at night they lob rockets into civilian areas for fun and during the day, well, they throw rocks and fire weapons at soldiers and lob rockets into civilian areas for fun. You are absolutely correct on one point, though, we do have very different views of what is transpiring in this region. is there actual footage of this?...the people of Gaza have NO weapons as they've been disarmed and live in a camp surrounded by fences, tanks and soldiers.. when do they find time to sneak out and buy these rockets?...or are they bottle rockets?.....or do they have Tony Stark hiding in a cave building Iron Men for the Palestinians so they can start slaughtering like the Israeli army.... several soldiers of the Israeli army have stepped down from what they are doing because they acknowledge that they are wrong and can't keep doing what they are told to do by the higher chain of command... you've been eating and digesting some good old fashioned propaganda, my friend... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted June 3, 2010 Share Posted June 3, 2010 Why can't Israel just let the Palestinians open up some unregulated casinos. It worked for us. casino's are the devil's best work....I could live at one of these joints if I had enough money to stay at the hotel... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
driveby Posted June 3, 2010 Share Posted June 3, 2010 the paranoia in the Tailgate is tremendous because apparently all the people in that region other than Israeli's are terrorists... That's not the point. You seem to be portraying the palestinians as blameless victims and the Israeli's as evil "Zionist group" oppressors. Talk about paranoia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted June 3, 2010 Share Posted June 3, 2010 (edited) That's not the point. You seem to be portraying the palestinians as blameless victims and the Israeli's as evil "Zionist group" oppressors. Talk about paranoia. nope, the leaders of Israel are doing this...not all the people are "with this"....but a good portion are because they think they have to fear them.... the one's they have to fear are Syrians and other Arab countries...the one's with ...ya'know, WEAPONS...not the one's who have been disarmed over the past 48 years and put in a concentration camp type setting... the Israeli government is like a molested child who grew up to be a pedophile...and you trying to paint me as someone who hates Israeli's is a lame attempt to try and "win" an argument or discredit what I say.... Edited June 3, 2010 by Avernus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
driveby Posted June 3, 2010 Share Posted June 3, 2010 the people of Gaza have NO weapons as they've been disarmed and live in a camp surrounded by fences, tanks and soldiers.. You've completely blown any shred of credibility you had with this whopper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted June 3, 2010 Share Posted June 3, 2010 You've completely blown any shred of credibility you had with this whopper. I think we're talking about two different groups of people here... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimC Posted June 3, 2010 Share Posted June 3, 2010 I have a real problem with American students going over to other countries and protesting something that they realistically know very little about. It's sorta like the 3 kids that thought a fun vacation would be hiking on the Iraq/Iran border without a map. Don't put yourself in dumb positions like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
driveby Posted June 3, 2010 Share Posted June 3, 2010 I think we're talking about two different groups of people here... Then just what in allah's name are you talking about? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yukon Cornelius Posted June 3, 2010 Share Posted June 3, 2010 Not sure what you're trying to say here but I'm guessing lobbing rockets into towns and villages and blowing up street cafe's qualifies as "fighting". And +1 to perch think of it like 22's against tanks. the Palestinians dont have a chance if the Jews unleash what they have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yukon Cornelius Posted June 3, 2010 Share Posted June 3, 2010 You've completely blown any shred of credibility you had with this whopper. well, to his credit he is partly right and you are mostly wrong . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
driveby Posted June 3, 2010 Share Posted June 3, 2010 well, to his credit he is partly right and you are mostly wrong . I'd ask you to elaborate but you're pretty well tapped out once you get past this response---> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
driveby Posted June 3, 2010 Share Posted June 3, 2010 More Zionist propaganda and one more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yukon Cornelius Posted June 3, 2010 Share Posted June 3, 2010 I'd ask you to elaborate but you're pretty well tapped out once you get past this response---> u know what they say about arguing with idiots............................. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duchess Jack Posted June 3, 2010 Share Posted June 3, 2010 So are the reports about Palistinian rocket attacks (and Israel's heavy handed responses) made up? Are we denying that there are tunnel used to smuggle goods into Gaza (including weapons)? If the Israelis allowed for open boarders - do you think the Palistinians would arm themselves? Didn't Sharone give the Palastinians like 90% of the land they wanted a few years ago - only to have the Palastinians return to Hamas business as normal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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