Global Warming

[redrumjuice]

For my 'scientist' friend bushy.

 

The white Christmas in the South was one for the record books. Columbia, S.C., had its first significant Christmas snow since weather records were first kept in 1887.

 

Atlanta’s First White Christmas Since 1882

 

Over the past few weeks, subzero temperatures in Poland claimed 66 lives; snow arrived in Seattle well before the winter solstice, and fell heavily enough in Minneapolis to make the roof of the Metrodome collapse

 

The Los Angeles Times, in a piece on the region's strangely wet and cold weather, paraphrases Jet Propulsion Laboratory climatologist Bill Patzert as saying, "In general, as the globe warms, weather conditions tend to be more extreme and volatile."

 

Got that? No matter what the weather, it's all due to warming. This isn't science; it's a kind of faith. Scientists go along and even stifle dissent because, frankly, hundreds of millions of dollars in research grants are at stake. But for the believers, global warming is the god that failed.

 

 

I keep forgetting, is weather this week, or the past month, or the past 100 years? Al Gore and science is so confusing.

 

Can you post some 'science', k thx.

[evil_gop_liars]

Meh, it's the weather. It's damn near 40 today and 2 weeks ago it was single digits. I sure wish bobby shred could help me figure this out.

[redrumjuice]

Meh, it's the weather. It's damn near 40 today and 2 weeks ago it was single digits. I sure wish bobby shred could help me figure this out.

 

 

I know, lets spend $BILLIOSN$ in carbon credits, spend $TRILLIONS$ in 3rd world countries, raise fuel taxes 1000% just so we can fight this 'dragon' global warming monster that is gonna get us!

[Pope Flick]

OMG - it's snowing in DECEMBER!!!

 

That must mean we can forget about record highs in Russia and elsewhere this year!

[bushwacked]

I know, lets spend $BILLIOSN$ in carbon credits, spend $TRILLIONS$ in 3rd world countries, raise fuel taxes 1000% just so we can fight this 'dragon' global warming monster that is gonna get us! see how stupid I am when tropical weather systems cause snowfall in the northern hemisphere during winter

 

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[evil_gop_liars]

I know, lets spend $BILLIOSN$ in carbon credits, spend $TRILLIONS$ in 3rd world countries, raise fuel taxes 1000% just so we can fight this 'dragon' global warming monster that is gonna get us!

 

Maybe we should spend money fighting this weather monster instead...

[Jackass]

To think that cold weather disproves Global warming is a way to simplify the explanation and kind of misses the big picture. Our weather systems are more complex than most of us could imagine.

 

 

Here's an article for thought if anyone cares to read through it.

 

THE earth continues to get warmer, yet it’s feeling a lot colder outside. Over the past few weeks, subzero temperatures in Poland claimed 66 lives; snow arrived in Seattle well before the winter solstice, and fell heavily enough in Minneapolis to make the roof of the Metrodome collapse; and last week blizzards closed Europe’s busiest airports in London and Frankfurt for days, stranding holiday travelers. The snow and record cold have invaded the Eastern United States, with more bad weather predicted.

 

All of this cold was met with perfect comic timing by the release of a World Meteorological Organization report showing that 2010 will probably be among the three warmest years on record, and 2001 through 2010 the warmest decade on record.

 

How can we reconcile this? The not-so-obvious short answer is that the overall warming of the atmosphere is actually creating cold-weather extremes. Last winter, too, was exceptionally snowy and cold across the Eastern United States and Eurasia, as were seven of the previous nine winters.

 

For a more detailed explanation, we must turn our attention to the snow in Siberia.

 

Annual cycles like El Niño/Southern Oscillation, solar variability and global ocean currents cannot account for recent winter cooling. And though it is well documented that the earth’s frozen areas are in retreat, evidence of thinning Arctic sea ice does not explain why the world’s major cities are having colder winters.

 

But one phenomenon that may be significant is the way in which seasonal snow cover has continued to increase even as other frozen areas are shrinking. In the past two decades, snow cover has expanded across the high latitudes of the Northern Hemisphere, especially in Siberia, just north of a series of exceptionally high mountain ranges, including the Himalayas, the Tien Shan and the Altai.

 

The high topography of Asia influences the atmosphere in profound ways. The jet stream, a river of fast-flowing air five to seven miles above sea level, bends around Asia’s mountains in a wavelike pattern, much as water in a stream flows around a rock or boulder. The energy from these atmospheric waves, like the energy from a sound wave, propagates both horizontally and vertically.

 

As global temperatures have warmed and as Arctic sea ice has melted over the past two and a half decades, more moisture has become available to fall as snow over the continents. So the snow cover across Siberia in the fall has steadily increased.

 

The sun’s energy reflects off the bright white snow and escapes back out to space. As a result, the temperature cools. When snow cover is more abundant in Siberia, it creates an unusually large dome of cold air next to the mountains, and this amplifies the standing waves in the atmosphere, just as a bigger rock in a stream increases the size of the waves of water flowing by.

 

The increased wave energy in the air spreads both horizontally, around the Northern Hemisphere, and vertically, up into the stratosphere and down toward the earth’s surface. In response, the jet stream, instead of flowing predominantly west to east as usual, meanders more north and south. In winter, this change in flow sends warm air north from the subtropical oceans into Alaska and Greenland, but it also pushes cold air south from the Arctic on the east side of the Rockies. Meanwhile, across Eurasia, cold air from Siberia spills south into East Asia and even southwestward into Europe.

 

That is why the Eastern United States, Northern Europe and East Asia have experienced extraordinarily snowy and cold winters since the turn of this century. Most forecasts have failed to predict these colder winters, however, because the primary drivers in their models are the oceans, which have been warming even as winters have grown chillier. They have ignored the snow in Siberia.

 

Last week, the British government asked its chief science adviser for an explanation. My advice to him is to look to the east.

 

It’s all a snow job by nature. The reality is, we’re freezing not in spite of climate change but because of it.

[Ursa Majoris]

Still the buffoons can't differentiate between climate and weather.

[redrumjuice]

Google "hide the decline".

 

K thx.

[redrumjuice]

All of this cold was met with perfect comic timing by the release of a World Meteorological Organization report showing that 2010 will probably be among the three warmest years on record, and 2001 through 2010 the warmest decade on record.

 

That is simply not true.

 

Read this article: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/art...l#ixzz17XzhBO7y

 

Here are the juicy parts:

 

Even Phil Jones (who shared a Nobel Peace Prize with Al Gore), the CRU director at the centre of last year's 'Climategate' leaked email scandal, was forced to admit in a littlenoticed BBC online interview that there has been 'no statistically significant warming' since 1995.

 

One of those leaked emails, dated October 2009, was from Kevin Trenberth, head of climate analysis at the US government's National Centre for Atmospheric Research and the IPCC's lead author on climate change science in its monumental 2002 and 2007 reports.

 

He wrote: 'The fact is that we can't account for the lack of warming at the moment, and it is a travesty that we can't.'

[Grimm74]

Still the buffoons can't differentiate between climate and weather.

 

Still buffoons can't differentiate between 150 and 4.4 BILLION years of data.The difference btw weather and climate is when predicting weather we are 10% right but when we predict climate some think they are 100% right. I have a feeling today's scientist can predict climate with lets say anywhere between 0-10% accuracy, but please keep dumping money into...those folks need jobs.

[bushwacked]

Still buffoons can't differentiate between 150 and 4.4 BILLION years of data.

 

 

Not sure who is feeding you the 150 year nonsense. Scientists have a very detailed record of temp, CO2, and sea levels over the past half million years. Also, the fallacy of comparing present data to 4.5 billion years ago (about 1000 million years before vigorous volcanic and tectonic activity started forming the earth and long before even single cell organisms could inhabit the planet) doesn't really need to be explained.

[bushwacked]

That is simply not true.

 

Shares for "2010 having the highest average global temperature on record" are currently selling for more than 90 cents on the dollar at Intrade. Methinks you are almost certainly woefully misinformed.

Edited December 27, 2010 by bushwacked

[Ursa Majoris]

The difference btw weather and climate is when predicting weather we are 10% right

Depends how far out you're looking at weather but the hit rate is a lot more than 10%.

[redrumjuice]

Shares for "2010 having the highest average global temperature on record" are currently selling for more than 90 cents on the dollar at Intrade. Methinks you are almost certainly woefully misinformed.

 

 

A quick google search shows even the leftist state it as the 2nd. Bow down to your global warming god.

 

Hey, and tell Cali they are running out of water!

[bushwacked]

The 2010 meteorological year, which ended on 30 November, was the warmest in NASA's 130-year record, data posted by the agency today shows. Over the oceans as well as on land, the average global temperature for the 12-month period that began last December was 14.65˚C. That's 0.65˚C warmer than the average global temperature between 1951 and 1980, a period scientists use as a basis for comparison.

 

The 2010 meteorological year was slightly warmer than the previous warmest year, the 2005 calendar year, when the average temperature was 14.53˚C.

 

In 2010, temperatures measured over land alone were also the warmest ever, with instruments showing a December-November average of 14.85˚C. Combining this warming with above-average ocean temperatures led to the global average of 14.65˚C.

 

November brought frigid temperatures to certain areas of Europe. But the data, compiled by the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies in New York City, show that, globally, last month was the warmest November ever recorded, nearly 0.96˚C warmer than the 1951 to 1980 average for the month.

 

According to NASA climatologist and Goddard director James Hansen, the main driver for the increased warmth was the Arctic, where temperatures in Hudson Bay were "10˚C above normal" for November. That month, Hansen says, "sea ice was absent while normally that [body of water] is covered by sea ice." Water devoid of ice absorbs much more solar radiation than water covered with ice, which reflects much of the radiation back toward space.

 

The record temperatures occurred despite a moderate occurrence of La Niña, a phenomenon over the Pacific Ocean that tends to lead to cooler temperatures at the surface, affecting the global mean.

 

http://news.sciencemag.org/sciencenow/2010...al-year-wa.html

[Ursa Majoris]

http://news.sciencemag.org/sciencenow/2010...al-year-wa.html

Tsk tsk. Facts again. How will you ever get a job on Faux News?

[Yukon Cornelius]

Still buffoons can't differentiate between 150 and 4.4 BILLION years of data.The difference btw weather and climate is when predicting weather we are 10% right but when we predict climate some think they are 100% right. I have a feeling today's scientist can predict climate with lets say anywhere between 0-10% accuracy, but please keep dumping money into...those folks need jobs.

[redrumjuice]

Science!!!

 

As global temperatures have warmed and as Arctic sea ice has melted over the past two and a half decades, more moisture has become available to fall as snow over the continents. So the snow cover across Siberia in the fall has steadily increased.

 

The sun's energy reflects off the bright white snow and escapes back out to space. As a result, the temperature cools.

 

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/26/opinion/26cohen.html

 

That right there is settled science! Huh bushy?

[bushwacked]

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/26/opinion/26cohen.html

 

This is the 2nd time you've posted this article, in this thread, 18 posts apart. I'd stick to baiting CaptainDoofus in the main forum. This fishing trip is backfiring horrendously for you.

Edited December 28, 2010 by bushwacked

[redrumjuice]

So bushy, you agree that global warming causes more snow, and the snow reflects the suns rays to make it colder, hence defeating global warming?

 

 

When EVERYTHING is a result of, or cause of global warming, and I do me EVERYTHING, you may want to recheck that 'science'.

[tonorator]

Not sure who is feeding you the 150 year nonsense. Scientists have a very detailed record of temp, CO2, and sea levels over the past half million years.

 

i'm not sure how this is possible. were neandrathals etching the data on stone tabets?

[whoopazz]

i'm not sure how this is possible. were neandrathals etching the data on stone tabets?

 

Read This, its explained in "laymen's" terms.

[bushwacked]

i'm not sure how this is possible. were neandrathals etching the data on stone tabets?

 

I question the sincerity of your question as I thought you literally believed the earth is 6,000 years old.

[tonorator]

I question the sincerity of your question as I thought you literally believed the earth is 6,000 years old.

 

we sure got smart as a people about that time. it's almost like all of evolution culminated in making us intelligent all at once ...

 

or maybe no as you have people recording co2 levels hundreds of thousands of years prior somehow.