Bronco Billy Posted March 11, 2012 Author Share Posted March 11, 2012 (edited) And he's 25 years old, on a team with a horrible OC, terrible WR's, and an average running game. I'm not saying he's elite, but he's far from garbage. The hate on this guy is blind. I don't get how Sanchez is viewed as horrible, but everyone considers Matt Ryan a great up and coming QB... Even though he's done less with a far better offense. Ahhh - the old, "That other guy sucks too, so this guy doesn't suck so bad" argument. I was wondering how long that would take to emerge.And FWIW, I think Ryan is lacking to date as a franchise QB who can carry his team to anywhere near a championship level. Well, let's just look at the numbers: 2011 Atlanta Falcons 10-6 Rushing O 17thyds 21st ypa D 12th yds 18th pts allowed Matt Ryan QB rating 92.2 61.3 comp % 7.4 ypa 4177 yds 29 TDs 12 INTs NY Jets 8-8 Rushing O 13thyds 7th ypa D 20th yds 5th pts allowed Mark Sanchez QB rating 78.2 56.7 comp % 6.4 ypa 3474 yds 26 TDs 18 INTs 2010 Atlanta Falcons 13-3 Rushing O 12thyds 26st ypa D 16th yds 5th pts allowed Matt Ryan QB rating 91.0 62.5 comp % 6.5 ypa 3705 yds 28 TDs 9 INTs NY Jets 11-5 Rushing O 4thyds 8th ypa D 6th yds 3rd pts allowed Mark Sanchez QB rating 75.3 54.8 comp % 6.5 ypa 3291 yds 17 TDs 13 INTs 2009 Atlanta Falcons 9-7 Rushing O 15thyds 18st ypa D 14th yds 21st pts allowed Matt Ryan QB rating 80.9 58.3 comp % 6.5 ypa 2916 yds 22 TDs 14 INTs NY Jets 9-7 Rushing O 8thyds 4st ypa D 1st yds 1st pts allowed Mark Sanchez QB rating 63.0 53.8 comp % 6.7 ypa 2444 yds 12 TDs 20 INTs ************************ So, by any objective standard, ATL has performed better in comparison with the Jets, despite the Jets and Sanchez having better run Os and better Ds each of those years. And looking at the meaningful QB stats, it's just as obvious that Ryan has far outperformed Sanchez. Needless to say, Sanchez hasn't been capable of carrying Ryan's jock so far. There's no way to possibly make an argument that Sanchez is anywhere near Ryan's level of play. Edited March 11, 2012 by Bronco Billy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caddyman Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 Horrible OC? Thats funny...considering he was forced to turn the playbook into a pass happy offense because of Sanchez. How horrible was he when they were a run dominant team when Mr.High Ole Mighty was the QB? Yeah....same OC. Was he horrible then? Face it, Sanchez is not a good QB. Hell I'd take Tebow over Sanchez. When I look at this list of QBS from last year... I really have to think hard about which ones I would pick Sanchez over...Maybe Tavaris Jackson, Orton, and Grossman...maybe. Outside of a few of those that were not really starters like Skelton...man is he low on my list. 1 Aaron Rodgers, QB GB 502 343 68.3 4,643 9.25 93 45 6 36 122.5 310 2 Drew Brees, QB NO 657 468 71.2 5,476 8.34 79 46 14 24 110.6 342 3 Tom Brady, QB NE 611 401 65.6 5,235 8.57 99 39 12 32 105.6 327 4 Tony Romo, QB DAL 522 346 66.3 4,184 8.02 77 31 10 36 102.5 262 5 Matthew Stafford, QB DET 663 421 63.5 5,038 7.60 73 41 16 36 97.2 315 6 Matt Schaub, QB HOU 292 178 61.0 2,479 8.49 80 15 6 16 96.8 248 7 Eli Manning, QB NYG 589 359 61.0 4,933 8.38 99 29 16 28 92.9 308 8 Matt Ryan, QB ATL 566 347 61.3 4,177 7.38 80 29 12 26 92.2 261 9 Alex Smith, QB SF 445 273 61.3 3,144 7.07 56 17 5 44 90.7 197 10 Ben Roethlisberger, QB PIT 513 324 63.2 4,077 7.95 95 21 14 40 90.1 272 RK PLAYER TEAM ATT COMP PCT YDS YDS/A LONG TD INT SACK RATE YDS/G 11 Philip Rivers, QB SD 582 366 62.9 4,624 7.95 58 27 20 30 88.7 289 12 Matt Moore, QB MIA 347 210 60.5 2,497 7.20 65 16 9 36 87.1 192 13 Jay Cutler, QB CHI 314 182 58.0 2,319 7.39 56 13 7 23 85.7 232 14 Michael Vick, QB PHI 423 253 59.8 3,303 7.81 73 18 14 23 84.9 254 15 Cam Newton, QB CAR 517 310 60.0 4,051 7.84 91 21 17 35 84.5 253 16 Matt Hasselbeck, QB TEN 518 319 61.6 3,571 6.89 80 18 14 19 82.4 223 17 Kevin Kolb, QB ARI 253 146 57.7 1,955 7.73 73 9 8 30 81.1 217 18 Joe Flacco, QB BAL 542 312 57.6 3,610 6.66 74 20 12 31 80.9 226 19 Carson Palmer, QB OAK 328 199 60.7 2,753 8.39 78 13 16 17 80.5 275 20 Andy Dalton, QB CIN 516 300 58.1 3,398 6.59 84 20 13 24 80.4 212 RK PLAYER TEAM ATT COMP PCT YDS YDS/A LONG TD INT SACK RATE YDS/G 21 Tarvaris Jackson, QB SEA 450 271 60.2 3,091 6.87 61 14 13 42 79.2 206 22 Ryan Fitzpatrick, QB BUF 569 353 62.0 3,832 6.74 60 24 23 22 79.1 240 23 Mark Sanchez, QB NYJ 543 308 56.7 3,474 6.40 74 26 18 39 78.2 217 24 Kyle Orton, QB DEN/KC 252 150 59.5 1,758 6.98 52 9 9 10 77.8 195 25 Matt Cassel, QB KC 269 160 59.5 1,713 6.37 52 10 9 22 76.6 190 26 Josh Freeman, QB TB 551 346 62.8 3,592 6.52 65 16 22 29 74.6 239 27 Colt McCoy, QB CLE 463 265 57.2 2,733 5.90 56 14 11 32 74.6 210 28 Tim Tebow, QB DEN 271 126 46.5 1,729 6.38 56 12 6 33 72.9 124 29 Rex Grossman, QB WSH 458 265 57.9 3,151 6.88 51 16 20 25 72.4 242 30 Sam Bradford, QB STL 357 191 53.5 2,164 6.06 68 6 6 36 70.5 216 RK PLAYER TEAM ATT COMP PCT YDS YDS/A LONG TD INT SACK RATE YDS/G 31 Christian Ponder, QB MIN 291 158 54.3 1,853 6.37 72 13 13 30 70.1 168 32 John Skelton, QB ARI 275 151 54.9 1,913 6.96 60 11 14 23 68.9 239 33 Curtis Painter, QB IND 243 132 54.3 1,541 6.34 87 6 9 16 66.6 171 34 Blaine Gabbert, QB JAC 413 210 50.8 2,214 5.36 74 12 11 40 65.4 148 Glossary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piratesownninjas Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 Horrible OC? Thats funny...considering he was forced to turn the playbook into a pass happy offense because of Sanchez. How horrible was he when they were a run dominant team when Mr.High Ole Mighty was the QB? Yeah....same OC. Was he horrible then? Face it, Sanchez is not a good QB. Hell I'd take Tebow over Sanchez. So you pass more because passing is your weak point? Nice try Taz... The Jets couldn't run, and they only had one real starting WR on the team, and he quit on them. And you can champion Brian Schottenheimer all you want, but that guy sucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piratesownninjas Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 Ahhh - the old, "That other guy sucks too, so this guy doesn't suck so bad" argument. I was wondering how long that would take to emerge.And FWIW, I think Ryan is lacking to date as a franchise QB who can carry his team to anywhere near a championship level. Well, let's just look at the numbers: 2011 Atlanta Falcons 10-6 Rushing O 17thyds 21st ypa D 12th yds 18th pts allowed Matt Ryan QB rating 92.2 61.3 comp % 7.4 ypa 4177 yds 29 TDs 12 INTs NY Jets 8-8 Rushing O 13thyds 7th ypa D 20th yds 5th pts allowed Mark Sanchez QB rating 78.2 56.7 comp % 6.4 ypa 3474 yds 26 TDs 18 INTs 2010 Atlanta Falcons 13-3 Rushing O 12thyds 26st ypa D 16th yds 5th pts allowed Matt Ryan QB rating 91.0 62.5 comp % 6.5 ypa 3705 yds 28 TDs 9 INTs NY Jets 11-5 Rushing O 4thyds 8th ypa D 6th yds 3rd pts allowed Mark Sanchez QB rating 75.3 54.8 comp % 6.5 ypa 3291 yds 17 TDs 13 INTs 2009 Atlanta Falcons 9-7 Rushing O 15thyds 18st ypa D 14th yds 21st pts allowed Matt Ryan QB rating 80.9 58.3 comp % 6.5 ypa 2916 yds 22 TDs 14 INTs NY Jets 9-7 Rushing O 8thyds 4st ypa D 1st yds 1st pts allowed Mark Sanchez QB rating 63.0 53.8 comp % 6.7 ypa 2444 yds 12 TDs 20 INTs ************************ So, by any objective standard, ATL has performed better in comparison with the Jets, despite the Jets and Sanchez having better run Os and better Ds each of those years. And looking at the meaningful QB stats, it's just as obvious that Ryan has far outperformed Sanchez. Needless to say, Sanchez hasn't been capable of carrying Ryan's jock so far. There's no way to possibly make an argument that Sanchez is anywhere near Ryan's level of play. And here comes Bronco Billy being BB and completely twisting someone's words around. I'll restate it, but I know you like to argue so it's a waste of time... I find it amusing that Sanchez sucks, but Matt Ryan is on the cusp of being elite. Sanchez put up 32 TD's with no one around him. Turner>Greene. Roddy White, Julio Jones, Tony Gonzalez compared to Santonio Holmes, Plexico Burress and Dustin Keller? Ryan has had far better parts on offense, and play calling going for him. Sanchez hasn't had that... But regardless, this isn't Sanchez V Ryan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted March 11, 2012 Author Share Posted March 11, 2012 (edited) And here comes Bronco Billy being BB and completely twisting someone's words around. I'll restate it, but I know you like to argue so it's a waste of time... I find it amusing that Sanchez sucks, but Matt Ryan is on the cusp of being elite. Sanchez put up 32 TD's with no one around him. Turner>Greene. Roddy White, Julio Jones, Tony Gonzalez compared to Santonio Holmes, Plexico Burress and Dustin Keller? Ryan has had far better parts on offense, and play calling going for him. Sanchez hasn't had that... But regardless, this isn't Sanchez V Ryan. How exactly did I twist your words? You brought up Ryan as a point of comparison, and now you get called on how unsustainable your position is and you go right to the victim card and try to blame me for your poor judgment. Jesus Christ, grow a pair, own your own position, and come strong to defend it with some facts or admit that you made a really poor comparison. The numbers don't lie - Sanchez had a better team around him and he played much poorer. Or at least do a little better than mewling and trying to lay your position at my doorstep. Edited March 11, 2012 by Bronco Billy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piratesownninjas Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 How exactly did I twist your words? You brought up Ryan as a point of comparison, and now you get called on how unsustainable your position is and you go right to the victim card and try to blame me for your poor judgment. Jesus Christ, grow a pair, own your own position, and come strong to defend it with some facts or admit that you made a really poor comparison. The numbers don't lie - Sanchez had a better team around him and he played much poorer. Or at least do a little better than mewling and trying to lay your position at my doorstep. I never compared the two, genius. I said I don't understand how Sanchez is looked upon like the worst QB in the league, and Matt Ryan is the second coming. Sanchez is under-valued and Ryan is over-hyped. That's it. As far as the rest of your garbage, I've grown tired of the internet bully badass thing that you've managed to make your title. Don't worry about responding as your posts are no longer seen by me. Good day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted March 11, 2012 Author Share Posted March 11, 2012 I never compared the two, genius. I don't get how Sanchez is viewed as horrible, but everyone considers Matt Ryan a great up and coming QB... Even though he's done less with a far better offense. As far as the rest of your garbage, I've grown tired of the internet bully badass thing that you've managed to make your title. Don't worry about responding as your posts are no longer seen by me. Good day. Get caught in a bad position, blame me for it, then run away crying. Maybe it's not so much that I'm a bully but that you're just a whiny little wuss. Damn, just own it. Geez - like I've never been wrong. At least I'll man up and freely admit it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delusions of grandeur Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 Ryan has had far better parts on offense, and play calling going for him. Sanchez hasn't had that... But regardless, this isn't Sanchez V Ryan. In the 0 point playoff embarassment, Ryan was still 9 for 11 when calling his own plays from the no-huddle, and those runs he called actually went for 3 or 4 yards, rather than getting stuffed like those predictable 4th down calls that killed drives... I know from when the Falcons were recently looking for OCs that we didn't want Schottenheimer either, but Mularkey's play-calling was as predictable and conservative as it gets... Not to completely excuse Ryan, who still has some developing of his own to do (the cusp-of-elite talk ended with this last season, though he can still get there as perhaps the best outside of Manning at running a no-huddle), but with Mularkey calling most of the plays and the O-line giving him zero time back there, Ryan's numbers were actually not too shabby. As for Sanchez, when you throw 32 TDs and don't even pass the eyeball test with your own team's fans, then well, that pretty much says it right there... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted March 11, 2012 Author Share Posted March 11, 2012 As for Sanchez, when you throw 32 TDs and don't even pass the eyeball test with your own team's fans, then well, that pretty much says it right there... For the record, Sanchez has never thrown for 32 TDs in the regular season and I don't know where that information came from. His best year was 26 regular season TD passes, and for his career he has 55 TDs and 51 INTs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delusions of grandeur Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 For the record, Sanchez has never thrown for 32 TDs in the regular season and I don't know where that information came from. His best year was 26 regular season TD passes, and for his career he has 55 TDs and 51 INTs. My bad. It was explained on the last page, that's 32 total TDs... So actually, those 6 rushing TDs aren't all that impressive, when that's pretty much the ability to QB sneak. Obviously a low priority on your franchise QB requirements, especially when that good O-line was all healthy and probably made it pretty easy to find a hole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted March 11, 2012 Author Share Posted March 11, 2012 My bad. It was explained on the last page, that's 32 total TDs... So actually, those 6 rushing TDs aren't all that impressive, when that's pretty much the ability to QB sneak. Obviously a low priority on your franchise QB requirements, especially when that good O-line was all healthy and probably made it pretty easy to find a hole. NP - I kind of got the impression that you weren't trying to intentionally inflate Sanchez' numbers... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ditkaless Wonders Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 I never compared the two, genius. I said I don't understand how Sanchez is looked upon like the worst QB in the league, and Matt Ryan is the second coming. Sanchez is under-valued and Ryan is over-hyped. That's it. As far as the rest of your garbage, I've grown tired of the internet bully badass thing that you've managed to make your title. Don't worry about responding as your posts are no longer seen by me. Good day. I believe you left off the "Sir", Good Day Sir. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pope Flick Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 I think it says they made their pitch to Manning, got turned down flat because he is far to smart to join that circus, and they are trying to put the best face on things now having been turned down. It's like getting turned down by the hot chick and then declaring that you knew all along she was a bitch that you would have nothing to do with. Exactly, only the most uninformed of football fans would think Manning would play for Rex Ryan after playing for Dungy and Caldwell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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