MikesVikes Posted January 6, 2005 Share Posted January 6, 2005 I like your style, MikesVikes. It's good to see a few guys around here who can take a playful jab at their teams expense. 644102[/snapback] You do know that I include Packer fans for living in the past, don't you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikesVikes Posted January 6, 2005 Share Posted January 6, 2005 Would the Packers playing the Falcons in the playoffs be considered a choke or a harsh kick to the groin? When you lose 84-3 nobody remembers the final field goal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatman Posted January 6, 2005 Share Posted January 6, 2005 Nah...I have already said I don't expect a win this weekend. The Vikings came into the season ranked ahead of the Pack...they SHOULD beat us! But if they don't....add another chapter to the choke thread 644936[/snapback] If you're going to post a topic like this, at least defend the Pack! Sheesh... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chavez Posted January 7, 2005 Share Posted January 7, 2005 You do know that I include Packer fans for living in the past, don't you? 645014[/snapback] Admittedly, when it comes to Super Bowl and NFL titles, Green Bay fans are living in the past. Which is a far better zip code than the Never-Never Land Viqueen fans inhabit on those subjects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chavez Posted January 7, 2005 Share Posted January 7, 2005 Would the Packers playing the Falcons in the playoffs be considered a choke or a harsh kick to the groin? When you lose 84-3 nobody remembers the final field goal. 645021[/snapback] Minor upset, at best, when you consider Green Bay's situation, but it probably looks like a choke - 12 win team at home outdoors WHERE THEY'VE NEVER LOST vs a 9 win dome team. I took it with a shrug more than heartbreak. "Choke" is pretty overused. I'd probably reserve for when a team that has CLEAR ADVANTAGE loses; when the loss is a complete shock to just about every observer - Up 3-0 or 3-1 in a best of 7 and lose? Choke. Kicker hasn't missed a FG all season and honks a cheapy indoors? Choke (by the kicker, though the whole team gets the blame). Letting a 3 win team throw a late td pass to knock a 9 win team out of the playoffs? Choke. "Choke" is NOT losing a close game vs an equal team on a FG. Indy did NOT choke in last year's playoffs, the Pats beat 'em up. Missing a 38 foot jumper with a hand in your face is NOT a choke; missing a dunk would be. Neither was, say, Green Bay's loss to the Eagles earlier this year - they were supposed to lose, just the margin was surprising; their loss to the Bears, a team they appeared to be (and proved to be) CLEARLY better than, WAS a choke job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moss6 Posted January 7, 2005 Share Posted January 7, 2005 4th and 26 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chavez Posted January 7, 2005 Share Posted January 7, 2005 Now THAT is a choke job for the ages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moss6 Posted January 7, 2005 Share Posted January 7, 2005 Now THAT is a choke job for the ages. 645135[/snapback] As a Vikes fan, this will be a fun one to watch. No one expects them to win. And as T-Scorp said "all of the pressure is on the Packers!" Tice was asked if he expects to ride a hot R. Moss thru the playoff's like the Vikes did in '87 with Anthony Carter, Tice said "If he plays all sixty minutes" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chavez Posted January 7, 2005 Share Posted January 7, 2005 That '87 run must've been a pretty sweet non-choke job for you Viking fans - squeak into the playoffs and DEMOLISH the two best teams in the NFC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moss6 Posted January 7, 2005 Share Posted January 7, 2005 That '87 run must've been a pretty sweet non-choke job for you Viking fans - squeak into the playoffs and DEMOLISH the two best teams in the NFC. 645158[/snapback] Sigh.... good times, good times Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikesVikes Posted January 8, 2005 Share Posted January 8, 2005 (edited) That '87 run must've been a pretty sweet non-choke job for you Viking fans - squeak into the playoffs and DEMOLISH the two best teams in the NFC. 645158[/snapback] I've seen this come up quite a bit this year. Like somebody is trying to make it happen again. Was that the strike shortened year, when the scabs lost all of their games and then the "real" team returned to kick some butt? I don't think this will happen again this year. Edited January 8, 2005 by MikesVikes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaP'N GRuNGe Posted January 8, 2005 Share Posted January 8, 2005 I've seen this come up quite a bit this year. Like somebody is trying to make it happen again. Was that the strike shortened year, when the scabs lost all of their games and then the "real" team returned to kick some butt? I don't think this will happen again this year. 646642[/snapback] YES IT WAS. I remember being pissed that year that OUR scabs were so bad and we went 0-3, going 8-4 on the rest of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hop Devil Posted January 8, 2005 Share Posted January 8, 2005 What I want to know is what are Packer and Viking fans going to talk about after next week??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaP'N GRuNGe Posted January 8, 2005 Share Posted January 8, 2005 Ah, glory daze. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaP'N GRuNGe Posted January 8, 2005 Share Posted January 8, 2005 What I want to know is what are Packer and Viking fans going to talk about after next week??? 646692[/snapback] The NFL draft of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Sores Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 As I predicted. Game over. Now, can the Packers hire a real D coordinator? Good game Vikes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moss6 Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 As I predicted. Game over. Now, can the Packers hire a real D coordinator? Good game Vikes 647552[/snapback] Why,is the coordinator (Slo) not making the tackles either 17-0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Sores Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 Why,is the coordinator (Slo) not making the tackles either 17-0 647578[/snapback] Green Bay - It was only three weeks into training camp this summer when Bob Slowik signaled to all who were watching what could be expected of his defense this season. On the first day back to practice after the Green Bay Packers’ defense had committed nine penalties for 134 yards in an exhibition game against New Orleans, safety Curtis Fuller drew a flag for climbing over the back of a receiver. “Good job, Curtis,” chirped Slowik, the Packers’ first-year defensive coordinator. Does it come as any surprise that four months later, Slowik’s defensive backs continue to grab, hold, bump and mug receivers? And then, after they get caught, that they do nothing but whine about it? Mike Sherman is a firm believer that teams play like they practice. And his defense is living proof of that. Its members play as if they didn’t have to accept instruction or worry about being held accountable for their mistakes as long ago as training camp Fourteen weeks into the season, the Packers rank eighth in penalties and sixth in penalty yards. Included in their 107 penalties are 21 that have been accepted against the secondary for holding, illegal contact and use of the hands, and pass interference. Sherman’s decision to promote Slowik last January ranks among the biggest blunders of his tenure and certainly one of the most inexcusable. Coaches make mistakes on draft choices and free agents all the time, but Sherman had four years to study Slowik as an assistant coach. It’s also a mistake that Sherman will need to rectify with Donald Trump’s favorite line as soon as this season ends. Sherman will need to evaluate the players, the scheme and everything else about his defense at some point. But he needs to address first things first. He needs to find a new coordinator from a winning organization who has a chance to instill in the Packers the kind of hard-nosed defensive culture that exists in such places as Pittsburgh, Baltimore and, yes, even Chicago. It has reached a point where the Packers’ defense is in complete disarray. It has no direction, no identity, no plan, no linchpin, no fire. Thomas Jones, Tiki Barber, Chris Brown and Fred Taylor all have rushed for more than 145 yards against it. Peyton Manning, Daunte Culpepper, Marc Bulger and Donovan McNabb all have burned it for more than 360 yards through the air. It’s like a 16-year-old’s first beater. Plug one leak and another pops up somewhere else. Almost all season, the Packers have stuck with their base personnel in second-and-long situations. In other words, they’ve played to stop the run first. The dime on second-and-long would be more suited to stop the pass. They played base an entire half against Manning and the Indianapolis Colts. They played it against the St. Louis Rams’ explosive four wide receiver set. They played it against the Minnesota Vikings, who were playing from behind and throwing the ball. They played it against the Philadelphia Eagles’ dynamic trio of Donovan McNabb, Terrell Owens and Brian Westbrook. It certainly was a curious strategy, considering the Packers allowed 30 points or more in three of those games, and one that should have been scrapped at some point. But when did they choose to change course? Against the Jacksonville Jaguars when the wind chill factor was below zero and on a slow field at Lambeau. They finally decided to play dime in second-and-long situations against a team that had one of the best running backs in the league and only one quality receiver. The Packers didn’t come out of their base on turf in a dome against Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne and Brandon Stokley when Manning was lighting up the scoreboard with 35 points in a half. But there the Packers were Sunday playing their dime on the third play of the game with the Jaguars facing second-and-19 at their 23-yard line. And there the Packers were in their dime again on second-and-10 just after they had taken the lead early in the second half. In the first of those situations, Taylor raced 46 yards to set up a touchdown. On the second, he ran 37 yards for a touchdown. In essence, those two plays carried the Jaguars to victory. Now that the Eagles will be without Owens, the NFC playoffs are up for grabs and any of the six qualifiers probably will have a shot. But were it not for Slowik’s soft and undisciplined defense, the Packers would be the team to beat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Down Goes Frazia Posted January 10, 2005 Share Posted January 10, 2005 you cheddarheads just keep yap'in. If the Vikes go in & "steal one" in Lambeau on Sunday...... there's gonna be a whole lotta crow soup for lunch around here on Monday. 644919[/snapback] I got the crock pot brew'in. Crow stew on the way. This is gonna be a fun week here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted January 10, 2005 Share Posted January 10, 2005 I got the crock pot brew'in. Crow stew on the way. This is gonna be a fun week here. 647847[/snapback] My Smackbowl Culpepper / Moss picks are lookin' good. <----Randy <----Daunte Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moss6 Posted January 10, 2005 Share Posted January 10, 2005 My Smackbowl Culpepper / Moss picks are lookin' good. <----Randy <----Daunte 647850[/snapback] Got them too plus O. Smith & Burleson. Sad thing is I had Brees, LT, Gates & Kaeding (SP) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yukon Cornelius Posted January 10, 2005 Share Posted January 10, 2005 I got the crock pot brew'in. Crow stew on the way. This is gonna be a fun week here. 647847[/snapback] oh here in cheeseland this will be a great summer......../ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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