Brentastic Posted August 24, 2008 Share Posted August 24, 2008 Well he did bet me a few years ago that Favre was retiring. He likes to bet. Yeah, I do remember that. Tonight I just made a bet with a buddy that Brady would throw less than 32 TDs this year. Basically, 32 is the over/under and I took the under. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delicious_bass Posted August 25, 2008 Share Posted August 25, 2008 (edited) Everyone shares some carries, come on now - I don't think there's any RB in the league that gets all of his teams carries. But if you truly think any of his backups will steal enough carries to dispute my opinion, then why do you think he's a top 5? Addai only shared carries (significant carries his rookie year - last year he was THE GUY. Why in the world would that change this season? Some people argue just to argue, bring something valid to the argument if you're going to do so. Anyone who thinks Addai will all of a sudden lose a bunch of carries to his backups is on some serious crack! I should leave this alone as its old and the conversation has obviously gone another direction(not to mention this is a little off topic) but what the hell... First question is what do you consider "significant" or "a bunch"? Because if you go back and look at the season stats from last year you will see that Addai carried 261 times for 1072 yards while playing in 15 games. That's an avg of a little better than 17 carries a game. Kenton Keith rushed 121 times for 533 yards in 16 games for an average of about 7 and a half carries a game. Basically, Addai got double what Keith got or Keith got half of what Addai got- however you wanna look at it. Receiving stats more heavily favored Addai as did TDs (which is really what its all about) and why I said Addai is a solid pick worthy of the top 5. If Keith only got a fourth(or less) of the carries or yards Addai got, I think we could more easily chalk it up to trash time, the game Addai missed, week 17, etc. But Keith got half as many carries and turned that into roughly half as many yards. So, you are correct as far as Addai getting the majority of the plays and scoring the majority of the rushing TDs. But, to suggest he only shares "some" carries (as if its insignificant) is questionable. To assert "Anyone who thinks Addai will all of a sudden lose a bunch of carries to his backups is on some serious crack" is silly. For one thing, it implies he will lose considerably more carries this season than last(which is not what I ever said) and second, that you cant see he already shares makes it look like you were not an Addai owner last year and/or didnt acually follow him that closely. I can tell you that I was an Addai owner and I saw more of KK in the backfield than I cared to. Often, it was from JA pulling himself out after getting nicked... IMO, the Colts know Addai will breakdown if he takes too much pounding. I will stand by my statement that he shares enough that your original claim of "Addai will not be sharing carries with anyone - are you kidding me?!?!?" is not accurate and go further to say he will likely yield as many or more carries to his backups this year as last. Edited August 26, 2008 by Delicious_bass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted August 26, 2008 Share Posted August 26, 2008 I should leave this alone as its old and the conversation has obviously gone another direction(not to mention this is a little off topic) but what the hell... First question is what do you consider "significant" or "a bunch"? Because if you go back and look at the season stats from last year you will see that Addai carried 261 times for 1072 yards while playing in 15 games. That's an avg of a little better than 17 carries a game. Kenton Keith rushed 121 times for 533 yards in 16 games for an average of about 7 and a half carries a game. Basically, Addai got double what Keith got or Keith got half of what Addai got- however you wanna look at it. Receiving stats more heavily favored Addai as did TDs (which is really what its all about) and why I said Addai is a solid pick worthy of the top 5. If Keith only got a fourth(or less) of the carries or yards Addai got, I think we could more easily chalk it up to trash time, the game Addai missed, week 17, etc. But Keith got half as many carries and turned that into roughly half as many yards. So, you are correct as far as Addai getting the majority of the plays and scoring the majority of the rushing TDs. But, to suggest he only shares "some" carries (as if its insignificant) is questionable. To assert that "anyone who believes Addai will suddenly lose a bunch of carries" is on crack is silly. For one thing, it implies he will lose more this season than last(which is not what I ever said) and second, that you cant see he already shares makes it look like you were not an Addai owner last year and/or didnt acually follow him that closely. I can tell you that I was an Addai owner and I saw more of KK in the backfield than I cared to. Often, it was from JA pulling himself out after getting nicked... IMO, the Colts know Addai will breakdown if he takes too much pounding. I will stand by my statement that he shares enough that your original claim of "Addai will not be sharing carries with anyone - are you kidding me?!?!?" is not accurate and go further to say he will likely yield as many or more carries to his backups this year as last. I have looked at Addai in a different light from the beginning of last pre-season and this years draft...last year I put him 3rd overall and maybe 4th....this year I put him 5th or 6th and I'm not sold on his durability at all... he should have had 1200+ yds running in that offense....and I only see his production in the receiving game go down from last year.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brentastic Posted August 26, 2008 Share Posted August 26, 2008 I should leave this alone as its old and the conversation has obviously gone another direction(not to mention this is a little off topic) but what the hell... First question is what do you consider "significant" or "a bunch"? Because if you go back and look at the season stats from last year you will see that Addai carried 261 times for 1072 yards while playing in 15 games. That's an avg of a little better than 17 carries a game. Kenton Keith rushed 121 times for 533 yards in 16 games for an average of about 7 and a half carries a game. Basically, Addai got double what Keith got or Keith got half of what Addai got- however you wanna look at it. Receiving stats more heavily favored Addai as did TDs (which is really what its all about) and why I said Addai is a solid pick worthy of the top 5. If Keith only got a fourth(or less) of the carries or yards Addai got, I think we could more easily chalk it up to trash time, the game Addai missed, week 17, etc. But Keith got half as many carries and turned that into roughly half as many yards. So, you are correct as far as Addai getting the majority of the plays and scoring the majority of the rushing TDs. But, to suggest he only shares "some" carries (as if its insignificant) is questionable. To assert "Anyone who thinks Addai will all of a sudden lose a bunch of carries to his backups is on some serious crack" is silly. For one thing, it implies he will lose considerably more carries this season than last(which is not what I ever said) and second, that you cant see he already shares makes it look like you were not an Addai owner last year and/or didnt acually follow him that closely. I can tell you that I was an Addai owner and I saw more of KK in the backfield than I cared to. Often, it was from JA pulling himself out after getting nicked... IMO, the Colts know Addai will breakdown if he takes too much pounding. I will stand by my statement that he shares enough that your original claim of "Addai will not be sharing carries with anyone - are you kidding me?!?!?" is not accurate and go further to say he will likely yield as many or more carries to his backups this year as last. Now there's an argument I can deal with Nice analysis. We will have to agree to disagree because I see Addai getting more carries this year, especially early on. I still say he's the safest pick at RB after L.T. because you know his team will be in the redzone as much as anyone - plus there is no other RB on the Colts that will steal the goaline carries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sully907 Posted August 27, 2008 Share Posted August 27, 2008 Well, I just got Jackson at #7 last night, I assume that was a safe place to pick him up regardless? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pkillebr Posted August 27, 2008 Share Posted August 27, 2008 Well, I just got Jackson at #7 last night, I assume that was a safe place to pick him up regardless? I got him at pick six in a 12 team league last Thursday and was pretty happy with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NavinRJohnson Posted August 27, 2008 Share Posted August 27, 2008 ...plus there is no other RB on the Colts that will steal the goaline carries. You've never owned Edge or Rhodes or any Colts RB have you? RBs on the Colts don't steal goal line carries, Manning does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted August 27, 2008 Share Posted August 27, 2008 he went 6th in my local...and may have slipped further if I didn't have to draft for the person temporarily... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted August 27, 2008 Share Posted August 27, 2008 You've never owned Edge or Rhodes or any Colts RB have you? RBs on the Colts don't steal goal line carries, Manning does. ahaha plus he has Keith and Rhodes who will get their touches... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted September 24, 2008 Share Posted September 24, 2008 (edited) Normally I never do this, but for Brent's sake I'll make the exception: # Ovr Player FF Pts, ytd1 1 Bush, Reggie NOS RB 84.22 4 Barber, Marion DAL RB 77.23 6 Gore, Frank SFO RB 72.24 7 Turner, Michael ATL RB 69.85 11 Forte, Matt CHI RB 65.96 14 Brown, Ronnie MIA RB 62.77 17 Lynch, Marshawn BUF RB 59.58 19 Westbrook, Brian PHI RB 58.79 27 Jones, Julius SEA RB 52.710 32 Portis, Clinton WAS RB 4911 33 Jones-Drew, Maurice JAC RB 48.812 36 Peterson, Adrian MIN RB 48.113 39 Johnson, Chris TEN RB 45.714 43 Parker, Willie PIT RB 44.315 44 Jackson, Steven STL RB 44.216 45 Tomlinson, Ladainian SDC RB 43.917 56 Addai, Joseph IND RB 38.818 57 McFadden, Darren OAK RB 38.819 58 White, LenDale TEN RB 38.820 68 Thomas, Pierre NOS RB 37.321 73 Graham, Earnest TBB RB 36.222 74 Jones, Thomas NYJ RB 36.223 76 Perry, Chris CIN RB 35.924 83 Jacobs, Brandon NYG RB 33.425 84 Dunn, Warrick TBB RB 33.326 87 McClain, Le'Ron BAL RB 3327 88 Norwood, Jerious ATL RB 3328 90 Hightower, Tim ARI RB 32.929 92 Stewart, Jonathan CAR RB 32.530 94 Morris, Sammy NEP RB 32.131 110 Sproles, Darren SDC RB 30.532 111 Slaton, Steve HOU RB 30.333 112 Pittman, Michael DEN RB 30.234 115 Johnson, Larry KCC RB 29.935 119 Smith, Kevin DET RB 29.536 120 James, Edgerrin ARI RB 29.337 125 Ward, Derrick NYG RB 29.238 127 Lewis, Jamal CLE RB 28.939 133 Jones, Felix DAL RB 28.140 136 Tolbert, Mike SDC RB 27.741 140 Young, Selvin DEN RB 27.442 143 Duckett, T.J. SEA RB 26.243 146 Williams, Ricky MIA RB 25.744 150 Taylor, Fred JAC RB 25.145 156 Buckhalter, Correll PHI RB 24.746 164 Jackson, Brandon GBP RB 23.947 165 Johnson, Rudi DET RB 23.748 166 Jackson, Fred BUF RB 23.649 171 Bush, Michael OAK RB 2250 175 Bradshaw, Ahmad NYG RB 21.751 184 Williams, DeAngelo CAR RB 20.552 187 McKie, Jason CHI RB 20.253 193 Taylor, Chester MIN RB 19.454 207 Charles, Jamaal KCC RB 17.855 210 Washington, Leon NYJ RB 17.656 213 Fargas, Justin OAK RB 17.257 228 Grant, Ryan GBP RB 16.658 240 Rhodes, Dominic IND RB 14.959 242 McGahee, Willis BAL RB 14.560 247 Faulk, Kevin NEP RB 13.861 251 Rice, Ray BAL RB 13.462 257 Griffith, Justin OAK RB 1363 258 Jones, Greg JAC RB 1364 262 Harrison, Jerome CLE RB 12.465 267 Askew, B.J. TBB RB 11.966 272 Hall, Andre DEN RB 11.767 281 Hunt, Tony PHI RB 10.768 293 Betts, Ladell WAS RB 9.769 300 Jordan, Lamont NEP RB 970 302 Smith, Kolby KCC RB 8.771 309 Dorsey, DeDe CIN RB 7.972 312 Weaver, Leonard SEA RB 7.873 315 Booker, Lorenzo PHI RB 7.374 318 Green, Ahman HOU RB 7.175 319 Hall, Korey GBP RB 7.176 320 Lumpkin, Kregg GBP RB 7.177 326 Maroney, Laurence NEP RB 6.7 <----------------------------------------- Edited September 24, 2008 by Bronco Billy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i_am_the_swammi Posted September 24, 2008 Share Posted September 24, 2008 Yeah, I do remember that. Tonight I just made a bet with a buddy that Brady would throw less than 32 TDs this year. Basically, 32 is the over/under and I took the under. Nice call. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i_am_the_swammi Posted September 24, 2008 Share Posted September 24, 2008 Looks like the iMaroney injury-clause will likely nulify the bet, so all that pointless chatter was moot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Square Posted September 24, 2008 Share Posted September 24, 2008 Normally I never do this, but for Brent's sake I'll make the exception: Yea, this seems way out of your character. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detlef Posted September 24, 2008 Share Posted September 24, 2008 Looks like the iMaroney injury-clause will likely nulify the bet, so all that pointless chatter was moot. Yup, he's off the hook. Too bad, really. That was going to be some easy money for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted September 24, 2008 Share Posted September 24, 2008 Looks like the iMaroney injury-clause will likely nulify the bet, so all that pointless chatter was moot. That's why I wanted him to buck up no matter what, with the tripe he was spewing. It's also why I was willing to do the same with Jackson. Pretty certain to see that NE was indeed a RBBC. will be a RBBC, and Maroney is a turd with no chance of ever being a top 10 RB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted September 24, 2008 Share Posted September 24, 2008 (edited) Yea, this seems way out of your character. Find one other place where I bumped a thread to rub someone's nose in their own feces. That's all I'll ask for - just one. Post edit - my bumping up a thread to rub my own nose in my own sour prediction doesn't count. I've done that a few times. Edited September 24, 2008 by Bronco Billy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detlef Posted September 24, 2008 Share Posted September 24, 2008 That's why I wanted him to buck up no matter what, with the tripe he was spewing. It's also why I was willing to do the same with Jackson. Pretty certain to see that NE was indeed a RBBC. will be a RBBC, and Maroney is a turd with no chance of ever being a top 10 RB. Don't make us remind you what a lame bet you were offering and how you were basically asking him to back up something that he never said. Even while SJax was holding out, there was never a claim that Maroney should be picked ahead of him, simply that SJax did not warrant a top 10 pick and Maroney was going later than he should have. That's not the same as saying Maroney will out perform SJax. BTW, while he seems to be wrong in the case of Maroney being undervalued, the SJax not deserving a top 10 pick overall seems to be spot on so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted September 24, 2008 Share Posted September 24, 2008 Don't make us remind you what a lame bet you were offering and how you were basically asking him to back up something that he never said. Even while SJax was holding out, there was never a claim that Maroney should be picked ahead of him, simply that SJax did not warrant a top 10 pick and Maroney was going later than he should have. That's not the same as saying Maroney will out perform SJax. BTW, while he seems to be wrong in the case of Maroney being undervalued, the SJax not deserving a top 10 pick overall seems to be spot on so far. Do you want me to start quoting again? You git swept up into that nonsense the first time. His claim was that Jackson was not a top 10 RB. He then claimed that Maroney would be a top 10 RB with a good chance that he would be top 5. Now, I'm only a lowly math major & an engineer also, so my logic might be off, but, If SJax < top 10 RB and Maroney > top 10 RB QED Maroney > SJax Modus Ponens In any case, he was spewing nonsense and got trapped by it by some rather artful fishing if I do say so myself, you got trapped into defending his indefensible position in the same fishing expedition - though you stood to profit by it, and others watched with amusement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detlef Posted September 24, 2008 Share Posted September 24, 2008 (edited) Do you want me to start quoting again? You git swept up into that nonsense the first time. His claim was that Jackson was not a top 10 RB. He then claimed that Maroney would be a top 10 RB with a good chance that he would be top 5. Now, I'm only a lowly math major & an engineer also, so my logic might be off, but, If SJax < top 10 RB and Maroney > top 10 RB QED Maroney > SJax Modus Ponens In any case, he was spewing nonsense and got trapped by it by some rather artful fishing if I do say so myself, you got trapped into defending his indefensible position in the same fishing expedition - though you stood to profit by it, and others watched with amusement. I believe he said that SJax was not worthy of a a top 10 over all pick while he was holding out. That is not the same as saying he won't be a top 10 back, especially after he signed which is when the debate with you started. Further, at no point did he ever imply that Maroney should be drafted before S Jax. And don't get me wrong, I think predicting Maroney would be top 10 was insane. I'm not backing that up at all which is why I took the bet. Just saying that you owe it to a guy to take him on his word, not on what you pretend his word to be. Edited September 24, 2008 by detlef Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted September 24, 2008 Share Posted September 24, 2008 I still think SJax can be quite valuable in a PPR league....especially since the Rams will be throwing a plenty and he excels in the passing game... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted September 24, 2008 Share Posted September 24, 2008 I still think SJax can be quite valuable in a PPR league....especially since the Rams will be throwing a plenty and he excels in the passing game... I think he's valuable, but I also think it is a reach to think he'll finish as a top 5 RB this year - and maybe not even a #1 FF RB. STL just has to abandon the run way too early, and their O-line is completely awful. I knew STL was going to be below average in the trenches, but I figured that SJAX could muster up 65 rushing ypg and maybe 10 TDs +/- to go with the receiving numbers. I also thought that a healthy Bulger/Holt/Bennett along with the rook would help drag the SS out of the box. With the line being so abyssmal, that is starting to look like wishful thinking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted September 24, 2008 Share Posted September 24, 2008 I think he's valuable, but I also think it is a reach to think he'll finish as a top 5 RB this year - and maybe not even a #1 FF RB. STL just has to abandon the run way too early, and their O-line is completely awful. I knew STL was going to be below average in the trenches, but I figured that SJAX could muster up 65 rushing ypg and maybe 10 TDs +/- to go with the receiving numbers. I also thought that a healthy Bulger/Holt/Bennett along with the rook would help drag the SS out of the box. With the line being so abyssmal, that is starting to look like wishful thinking. my local scoring for a RB in the receiving game is 2pts per 10 rec yds and 1 PPR as well... I can only hope they abandon the run game early... of course, very few leagues have this type of scoring.....but they should Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted September 24, 2008 Share Posted September 24, 2008 I'd also like to add that Green loves dumping the ball off to the RB and with the OL being as bad as it is....I think SJax's value went up even by 2%.. especially in a PPR... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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